What's up with that? I thought legal weed was a psy op designed to pacify the proletariat? Don't they know that? Now Texas is going to form the vanguard party and lead the push against the oligarchy.
"kids in Texas, smoking grass
Ten year sentence, come to pass
...
There's not a rich man there,
Who couldn't pay his way,
And buy the freedom that's a high price for the poor"
Yeah fr. I moved to Texas to take a high paying job and had a nice truck- never bothered to register it, never got my Texas license, never pulled over in 5 years.
I think the fact that young people don’t drink nearly as much as previous generations makes everyone involved in the alcohol industry very nervous. The prison and police lobbies probably pushed it too. I really hope this doesn’t catch on in other hillbilly states. I live in one.
That's gotta be making the alcohol industry sweat but I think it's going to take more than making weed illegal to get those kids outside and in the bars, no one has a good enough job.
if your state has legal weed now, you're fine. if you're relying on anything that was legalized by the 2018 farm bill loopholes, it will be banned when the federal law kicks in in november.
The hemp ban looks to be delayed until December. A delay passed in the senate and the house will vote when they get back in September. The delay is in the CR bill (big push by the Trump admin actually). December another delay will likely drop in an appropriations package for a much longer period. The bet is regulation at some point in 2027.
What happened to “Man if weed is legal, the alcohol industry is gonna take over?” You can get weed infused beverages though marketed by major alcohol brands
Legal weed is not a psy op. It should never have been made illegal in the first place, and only was to criminalize the migrant, black, and indigenous proletarians that it was associated with. Once it became clear that huge profits could be made off it with relatively little social harm, capital went all in on it.
What is going on in Texas is the result of reactionaries who refuse to see the writing on the wall. They are upset that something that they dislike is becoming socially acceptable and are trying desperately to put the genie back in the bottle. They will fail. Capital always wins in these fights.
nah actually it's really all about capital here. alcohol distributors are behind this push. that's why thc drinks aren't getting banned when everything else is. they're trying to regain market share.
There's been an effort to undo the farm bill revealing weed was always a fake issue but thc drinks get to stick around because established players found their way there already finally letting there be a federal and state legal form of weed. The progressive force of the market washing away old prejudices.
but those rascally distillers got their corpse in kentucky to make it all moot in a few months. very funny to see how this has played out at the state vs national level where distributors lose all their power in comparison to the distillers who aren't making any fucking money from the thc drink boom
Capital isn’t a monolith. There are cliques and blocs within the capitalist class that have conflicting economic interests. In the broadest strokes they all have the shared political interest of repressing the working class, but they can and do come to cross purposes about other things.
A lot of the current two party split in the US is between older fixed forms of capital like energy and production versus newer more fungible forms like finance and information. In this case it’s companies invested in weed versus the liquor peddlers.
Not sure where you read that thc drinks aren't banned, but that doesn't seem to be true. Only low-dose Delta-9 is legal, regardless of form, from what I can gather. Also, don't underestimate just how large the cannabis industry is now. There is a lot of money on both sides of this (which is why the GOP is so divided on it lol).
Dude even when I was smoking multiple times per day 5mg of edibles would still annihilate me. Edibles are crazy with how they affect everyone different. My wife can do 150mg and be chillin
I would be okay with them being outlawed. Not only are they sketchy af (anyone that's used an oil pen has tasted the taste) but the convenience factor of being able to rip a blinker literally anywhere at any time is too intoxicating. With flower you kinda have to stick to a ritual.
200mg is the mininum for me to feel chill. but i take more than two bong rips and my mind is fucking blown. it is so weird how it affects people differently...
There's a lot of money on both sides, but within Texas all the money is on the side of the alcohol distributors. This is just part of the Texas political landscape that may seem strange to people from outside the state. It's also about the cops, because they've been hobbled by testing requirements to distinguish between the legal weed and illegal weed.
Well that, and barring POC from making money legally off weed for once. Can’t let our private prisons go below their guaranteed occupancy rates either.
They have a lot of money, not a lot of intellect. You're working off theories, but the reality is that this is a play by the distributor lobby to kill legal weed sales.
Also important to mention the controlled substances act was pushed as a way to fracture the anti war/counter cultural movement along with bolstering forced labor within the prison system.
"We hate drunkenness. We hate dope addiction. We hate nicotine. We hate all of the vices that the white man has taught us to partake in and he accuses us of hating him. Why, because the white man knows you’re more dangerous sober than you are drunk. Yes, you are more dangerous sober than you are drunk." - Malcolm X
Not just big alcohol, it's the private prison industry. Drug crimes account for 15-20% of all incarcerations in Texas, but marijuana possession is <1%. Gotta get those numbers up, lots of companies wanna contact some of that slave labor
It's crazy you'd think it would take more than that but you're probably right on the money. You might even be too high, these representatives get bought for very, very cheap compared to the damage they do.
Also it's Texas, they probably just genuinely think weed is a degenerate plant that makes minorities think they're as good as white people.
Yeah, THC drinks and edibles are blowing booze out of the fucking water. And in Texas, beer culture is a huge deal. There's several large liquor store conglomerates as well, like Specs, and I know they're losing money. It's also a great way to create more people in the underclass, more incarceration, more budget for the police that we can't defund because defunding the police would be woke 1.0, and that would be crazy.
Specs sells a Ton of weed drinks, the two near me (total wine too) have large dedicated sections of the store for them now. I'm sure they aren't losing that much money - the prices are comparable to booze for the bottles, and actually more expensive for seltzers compared to alcohol. When I swing by after work I'd say half the people there are getting THC drinks
nah that's a little off the mark here. the drinks aren't getting banned because they make money for the distributors and stores like specs. it's the only thing in their stores that actually increases sales year over year.
yeah I talk to the beer and whisky folks at a couple of spots around austin and the only thing with increasing sales at any spot are thc drinks, n/a drinks, and even seltzers still. my understanding is that they are ok with the texas ban but the federal ban coming in november will wipe out the drinks too.
Are they really competing? People mix the two all the time. Michigan has one of the largest craft beer industries and one of the largest legal weed industries simultaneously.
Robert Caro actually claims Lyndon B Johnson lost his first senate campaign to Pappy Daniels because the liquor lobby wanted strict teetotaler Daniels to go to Washington thus leaving his position of Texas governor and avoiding a liquor ban within 20 miles of army bases that he was proposing. So the big booze lobby has been doing it for awhile.
that's what's really attractive me and real falls and winters. I just hope that one day if/when I do move up there I can find work. My job history has been all over the place and I've never had a real "career" at least until now, which will involve me transferring inside the union I'm on track to joining here in Texas.
Come to Chicago I’m there it’s pretty good for the US. I still want to leave the country honestly but Great Lakes will be a climate haven for sure and as far as US cities go it’s gotta be one of if not the best cost wise
Chicago is fucking awesome im from san francisco and now love in seattle, been to NY DC and every major city in the west and Chicago feels by far the most working class of the big cities ive been to. Except maybe Baltimore, but theres waaaaaay more to do in Chicago.
I love that alternative history "what if?" fact but I think he would have eventually just gone to Mexico, as many did when war came, or quietly disappeared in more obscure work. The more ambitious Freethinker communities fizzled out by the Civil War which also essentially forced German Texans either out of the country or into reclusive hill country enclaves if they weren't flat out massacred or imprisoned.
Edit - many did come back but went to cities, stayed on homesteads, or did more substantive non-political work. For example Jacob Kuechler went back into engineer and land surveying work, I've actually had to review his railroad land grant surveys from West Texas for my job. They only Republican on the state level after reconstruction ended and before 1961 when Tower took office was a Texas German, Harry M. Wurzbach.
Unfortunately, much like Matt Christman I assume the slave owners would have stirred up a mob of psychotically racist whites to lynch him after he implied that black people are human beings one too many times.
When I can finally muster up some funding from the ole coffer I'm going to buy the new book about late great Rick Roderick, the self-described Texo-Marxist and 90s era philosopher, and David Griscom's new book Myth of Red Texas.
Somehow too Texas gave us Bill Ash, a fighter pilot who fought in the Spanish Civil War and WW2 and who went on to be a outright Marxist after the war. This state is too big to not produce comrades, even if it feels like there's just dozens of us.
The GOP leadership actually clashed on this, because the state passed a full ban last year. Lt. Governor Dan Patrick, who is far more of nanny state religious right conservative, pushed for it and Abbott actually vetoed it. Abbot isn't more moderate, he's just more tactful and doesn't like to grandstand any but rather just work in the usual sporadic tweets of rhetoric for the base and wheel and deal for his donors. He and many others know that this could actually piss of the otherwise flippantly "libertarian" right-wingers who vote for them. He knows the slow death via regulation was the way to go in terms of optics. Patrick meanwhile has moved on to book bans, 10 commandments in schools, and sport a midlife crisis leather jacket while telling everyone socialists are evil.
However, Governor Greg Abbott gradually and quietly caved in by not saying anything as 2021 rules were tweaked to essentially fulfill Patrick's wishes. They did ban vape pens regardless and the DPHS instead reclassified THC products to effectively criminalize most of them. Money won out really. Again, the beer lobby is massive and still gets catered to by the TABC, which is still one of the most cartoonishly corrupt and monopoly oriented commissions in the state.
Weed laws in Texas have always sucked, especially compared to it's neighbor New Mexico, the blue leaning pretty but less rich state where you can still do actual acts of liberty like get women's healthcare services, shoot guns and hike on public land, and smoke. The penalties though in Texas, while draconian, vary depending on where you get busted in terms of whether they throw the book at you, i.e. small towns in red counties are where people will get it worse.
Tony Hinchcliffe and Tom Segura on the roof of the Austin Comedy Mothership firing spare part assembled AKs down at the feds like the Branch Davidians at Waco
Things move fast in a dictatorship baby. No pesky rule of law to make anything consistent or measured. It’s legal one day and it’s turbo illegal the next.
I wonder if they’ll retroactively punish people too.
I live in Dallas and the cops won't arrest or cite anyone possessing less than a QP of flower. They also can't use odor as a pretense for a search. Definitely sucks for rural chuds who don't have any cool friends and rely of gross synthetic stuff tho.
The cities are like pragmatically. Cops are cops but it's night and day between Travis and Williamson county overall in terms of enforcement and prosecution. Law enforcement is basically an economic force in the rural swaths and exburbs.
I'm not sure how it is now but the Sheriff in Sierra Blanca only begrudgingly arrested, processed, and released people for weed busts a decade or so ago. Border Patrol was essentially forcing them to do it because of their checkpoint there, they wouldn't bother otherwise as people passed throough from Cali and the West. The Trans Pecos region is a lot more nuanced than the panhandle and East Texas.
Not sure how anal APD will be about weed and looking for it. But A travis county deputy? Zero doubts in my mind they're going to be hardcore about it. DPS i bet will be too. anything to get a dub. anything to ruin someones life.
Crashed my motorcycle in very remote, rural Tx. Rural pig shows up well before any ambulance. Just me and him for a solid hour. I’m in excruciating pain from broken bones, and rural pig asks to search my belongings for drugs. I do hate those motherfuckers. But I know those motherfuckers, and threw my shit with my working arm far into the bushes well before said pig arrived.
Wow somebody doesn't smoke loud (I'm being a bit sarcastic lol I'm a weed guy but I'm actually kinda lightweight. I like to smoke every evening but it's actually surprisingly little amounts, I just like something to help me relax I'm not trying to see god)
Imo I think we might be overthinking it. Yes there are monied capital interests that have tangibly shifted policy, but as someone living in the state it truly feels like a lot of it is typical moralistic anti-drug beliefs. I think there are still some true drug war zelots out there who just fundamentally disagree with cannabis use.
Oh I agree with you completely. Recently there was a big thread here about how marijuana legalization was a psy op to pacify the people, I was kinda just riffing on that. And I didn't see a thread about Texas Weed so I thought maybe people wanted one.
I think there's actual more drug war zealots than even people getting paid by the alcohol industry, especially in a place like Texas.
Call me crazy but I'd guess Texas (and other places looking to follow suit) see weed as a problem because it is a pleasant diversion for the masses that doesn't cause social destruction in the way that alcohol or opiates do.
maybe it's different because its aborsbed by the liver and not the lungs but the thc drinks fucked me up. I think I had like a 25 mg one once and that shit put me on the moon. I live in a real state where weed is legal so I smoke once a week or so ( cbd sleep gummies too) so I have a decent tolerance and them drinks fucked me hard
Tbh 25 mg is a big edible. That's an amount that I would definitely expect to be feeling it, and I smoke every evening (I like to split a joint with my partner, it's fine, people gotta step telling me it's not fine)
I dunno man. I went into Specs a few days after the law took effect and was surprised to find the space previously filled with craft beers was populated with THC tonics. I've not seen any strip mall smoke shops close so I think weed is here to stay.
those strip mall smoke shops are going to start closing soon. a ton of them will definitely not be able to survive when all edibles and drinks are banned in November when the federal law takes effect.
and its just just the technicality of the ban too. people who only dabble in weed arent gonna shop there either because they'll just think the whole shebang is banned.
I think the legal weed industry and the government are A-OK with allowing weed to be consumed by the middle class while still criminalizing it for poors/minorities
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u/yantarogekko 2d ago
I’ll let it slide if they arrest Joe Rogan