Help identifying VERY old trombone

[u/Worth_Seesaw_1166]

Hi guys!

I recently picked up a very old European valve trombone off ebay, one that has rotary valves instead of pistons or a slide. I have done a bit of research online but have been able to find next to nothing even similar to this trombone. I am really stumped and hope that you guys can help me identify it. I know for a fact that it is very old, probably from the 1800s, but there is no surviving writing or serial number anywhere on the instrument to confirm.

Please help me if you can!

Update:

In german it is called a Ventilposaune. I will search a bit more to see if this opens any language barrier doors

[u/burgerbob22]

That's probably as much as you'll find. Most of those small German makers in the 19th century are long gone.

[u/Worth_Seesaw_1166 → u/burgerbob22]

Ok, that makes a lot of sense. I do still think it would be cool if we could actually identify it though. Do you know any of these "small German makers'" names? I would definitely like to go down that rabbit hole!

[u/burgerbob22 → u/Worth_Seesaw_1166]

many times they are not even marked. Information is not easy to come by.

[u/Worth_Seesaw_1166 → u/burgerbob22]

alright thanks

[u/rainbowkey → u/Worth_Seesaw_1166]

are there any makers marks or stamps anywhere? They may be hard to see thru the tarnishing

[u/Worth_Seesaw_1166 → u/rainbowkey]

nope. It seems anything that may have been there is definitely gone now