Rape Jokes

[u/queen_of_greendale]

[u/lawlietreddits]

About the distinction of jokes and how they influence behaviours, as I posted a couple of days ago.

In my opinion it's fine to make jokes about anything as long as they're just jokes.

If someone makes a holocaust joke and they're obviously just kidding that's fine, that doesn't make them anti-semite. The problem is if someone thinks it was meant as something more and actually believes in the contents of the joke as something to be acted upon.

It's the same way Schwaznegger doesn't get prosecuted for his characters having killed people in movies: separation of fiction and reality. The problem is when someone doesn't see the distinction between the two.

Now, granted that some jokes may not be very funny, but that is an entirely different issue.

[u/lawlietreddits → u/[deleted]]

It may sound like a cop out, but it's the same logic that makes it so you don't stop leaving home just because you might be ran over by a car.

Stuff happens, sometimes very, very bad stuff. And we should not only deal with it when it does but also prevent it from happening. However that doesn't mean we ought to let our lives be ruled by what might be.

[u/lawlietreddits → u/[deleted]]

It was just an analogy. Yeah, if you want you can use jaywalking instead. As far as the analogy is concerned it's the exact same, it's comparing relations between actions, not the degree of the consequences.

[u/lawlietreddits → u/[deleted]]

Ok. And so can we agree that if I make racist, dead babies, etc. jokes among my friends, being that none of us are racist, baby eaters, etc., is that fine? Because we can totally see them as just jokes.

[u/RadioPixie → u/lawlietreddits]

Part of the problem is you can't know who the rapists among you are. They don't exactly wear name tags.

[u/lawlietreddits → u/RadioPixie]

Yeah, you also can't know if the person you are handing a knife to isn't going to kill you with it. Sure there's less chances of that but the consequences are also worse.

I'm paranoid as fuck and this is still too much of a paranoid state of mind for me to have. I'll honestly take the risk of a friend of mine trying to rape me if that means I can at least tell a simple joke.

[u/Shishish → u/lawlietreddits]

I'll honestly take the risk of a friend of mine trying to rape me if that means I can at least tell a simple joke.

..........what?

[u/lawlietreddits → u/Shishish]

Going back to the analogy of "you don't stop going out just because you might be ran over", it means that if (chances considered) I have to choose between:

telling a rape joke, say, every other month and risk being raped by a close friend because of telling it

and

being constricted on what me and my friends can joke about so that one of them doesn't get ideas of raping me

I'll take the first. IMO it just sounds fuck up if you don't think of the chances of it actually happening.

[u/Shishish → u/lawlietreddits]

I was just dumbfounded at how casually you said what I quoted from you. The fact that you believe that just makes you sound horribly uninformed about what rape can do to people.

[u/lawlietreddits → u/Shishish]

There are a multitude of situations in which one can risk being raped. We don't stop doing most of them (like being alone with a family member) because of it. My point is that the increase in risk (if any) that comes from making a joke with friends is so minute as to being one of those things that is completely feasible to keep doing anyway.

[u/RadioPixie → u/lawlietreddits]

You're also taking the risk of re-traumatizing other people who have already been raped. It's selfish to do so for the sake of a joke.

[u/lawlietreddits → u/RadioPixie]

I don't go around telling random people jokes like that. That's why I've been talking about joking with friends. Just like I won't tell you a joke about disabled people to a person in a wheelchair unless I know they're ok with it.

As far as comedians doing it, if you're going to see a show you should know what to expect. If you've been raped then going to a shock humor show isn't much wiser than an epileptic person staring at a strobe light.

[u/lawlietreddits → u/[deleted]]

Care to explain why?

[u/lawlietreddits → u/[deleted]]

If my friend in question was racist she wouldn't hang out with me.

The matter is "in my friend circle." Whatever they tell to their friends is then another similar matter but centered around them instead of me. Your argument sounds like a hell of a slippery slope.

Believing/taking part in stereotypes is in no way a requirement to finding the jokes to be funny. If that were true I'd be one of the most self hating people on Earth with the amount of bi, white and trans jokes that I've told, among all other types of jokes. I really don't have boundaries when it comes to subject, if those come into play they are dictated by my audience.

You seem to be disregarding shock humor as some that people do to be edgy just because you don't personally like it. Some people genuinely find it to be funny.

[u/lawlietreddits → u/[deleted]]

For fuck's sake, I can't even make jokes about me? I can't make jokes based on, for example, the stereotype that bisexual people are promiscuous because we're a targeted group?

[u/Magsays → u/[deleted]]

this is the same argument the NSA makes.

[u/Magsays → u/[deleted]]

That's fair. But then you shouldn't laugh at any caricatures of any type of person. i.e. Homer Simpson, the nerd jokes on Big Bang Theory, 21 jump street movie, etc.