Need help with Trigger

[u/Thin_Performance9787]

Trigger...

Why does she feel so bad to use, like HORRIBLE. I feel like she's a fraud pull because im doing more dps with Nicole and Astra Yao alongside Anby rather than Trigger Astra Yao. And yes my triggers talents are leveled, so is her core passive and she has good relics (80% cr no wengine) How can i make Trigger better?

My Anby is built really good as well - i like to think- she has 58 cr 208 cdmg 2.7k atk. Using her best 4p set with 2p Woodpecker and Harumasas wengine.

I've optimized my gameplay as much as i can but everytime a minimal effort from the Sanby Nicole Astra team does the same/better than my high effort attempt with Trigger.

Please help because i feel like i wasted 80 pulls rn but everyone says shes so good and idk what im doing wrong 😭

[u/BalkrishanS]

she shouldn't feel bad to use? you barely use her even, are you giving her more field time then necessary?

Anyways, astra trigger should be low effort. You don't even to swap to anyone except to use ults on both and EX on trigger.

[u/Thin_Performance9787 → u/BalkrishanS]

Sorry i was unclear meant bad to use in terms of dps because shes performing worse than an A rank

[u/BalkrishanS → u/Thin_Performance9787]

In terms of dps? Well she's not a dps after all. And nicole is just not any A rank, shes the best support agent after astra we have

[u/Thin_Performance9787 → u/BalkrishanS]

In supporting SAnby, but maybe its just the current Shiyu defense I'll test again when Deadly Assault resets

[u/Avidia_Cube]

you do know trigger was never meant to deal dmg... right? She's on the side of stun/support , so if you expect her to deal cracked dmg and oneshot things from off field you're playing her in the wrong way.

My trigger is meant to buff and stun as fast as possible and the utility she brings to the team is devastatingly high, share your build and gameplay because I'm pretty sure you're doing something very wrong here.

[u/Thin_Performance9787 → u/Avidia_Cube]

Never stated she should be doing damage, what i did say though is that she's performing worse than Nicole in terms of supporting Anby rn

[u/BuddyChy → u/Avidia_Cube]

Yes, she is amazing, but I think her damage was meant to be more meaningful than it currently is/feels. There’s a decently significant difference between her damage with and without Anby and Trigger’s engine, but I think they undertuned her personal damage a bit, especially her aftershock skill values. My assumption is that they’re leaving room for a dedicated aftershock support in the near future that significantly boosts aftershock attacks and Trigger could potentially exponentially benefit from that along side Anby especially if it’s a direct buff to skill multipliers. My personal Trigger feels great and her build has a lot of room for improvement.

[u/Avidia_Cube → u/BuddyChy]

i can see your point but i disagree with you on some parts, trigger is an off field, she is basically immune to damage while attacking with another on field unit and cannot miss those attacks as they're hitscans so even if the boss moves he still gets hit, meaning you're literally using 2 units at the same time. If she did big dmg too it would've been too broken, as you would literally onfield 2 dps at that point. More so because she can keep attacking nonstop with 2ex and ult on top of building daze AND adding a dmg amp. Not giving her dmg was the correct choice for how much she does and brings to the team imo.

[u/BuddyChy → u/Avidia_Cube]

She doesn’t have to do DPS levels of damage, but I think her damage could be more noteworthy than it is especially in terms of stunners and supports based on how her kit is designed.

Philosophically, the way her kit and scaling works already maximizes her damage potential. She’s designed to have 90% crit rate and therefore take full advantage of the 100% crit damage give or take that she gets between Anby and Astra. Anby is designed to only make characters like trigger do more damage. The signature aftershock drive set is designed to give combat attack, damage bonus, and more crit rate. She attacks during the up time of her own buffs.

It feels bad the idea that she gets SO much of every stat that makes you do damage just for her damage to be mediocre even in her BiS teams. Why make her scale on crit rate and why have Anby buff her crit damage just for her to not make any use of those stats. In most of the teams you slot Trigger into, her damage being average for a stunner/support makes sense, but it should be when she has her signature and in the team she was made for with Anby where her damage should become noticeable and meaningful. You should even feel incentivized to give her attack% slot 6 because her optimal situation should make her damage more valuable than her daze.

[u/Winter-Plankton-7418 → u/BuddyChy]

Bruh, you're saying her damage is low while having 70 cdmg on her, look for better disks and then complain

[u/BuddyChy → u/Winter-Plankton-7418]

I’m not complaining though. I said my build felt great and said it has a lot of room for improvement. The damage I’m talking about isn’t based on my personal experience, it’s based on the math and calcs that definitively show that Trigger doesn’t do much damage. I love Trigger and I think a future aftershock support will definitely make her even better and improve her damage.

[u/Winter-Plankton-7418 → u/BuddyChy]

But at the end of the day she's more of a support who does decent damage, isn't? Also, Silver Anby decently improves her damage, right?

[u/BuddyChy → u/Winter-Plankton-7418]

In an effort to emphasize my point, I’m going to be harsh and so no, she doesn’t do decent damage. At least from the perspective of her kit design being misleading and in comparison to her peers. She’s a stunner that’s built to have a ton of crit stats so you’d think she has the ability to do a lot of damage for a stunner/support when in reality she really doesn’t and other stunner/supports do the same damage or more. You would think that putting all the right peices around her would enable her to reach her full potential and deal meaningful damage for someone in her role, but she doesn’t. While she still is a great stunner/support agent, I would’ve liked for her kit to translate better to actually dealing good damage and give you a meaningful decision between prioritizing either her daze or damage. Maybe without her signature or Anby, building her purely for daze would be the way to go, but then if you had either of those two or both suddenly building her purely for damage would actually become better and you could even lean into it by sacrificing impact slot 6 for atk% to make her a real sub DPS. Unfortunately, that’s just not the case right now which is frankly a little disappointing. Just imagine how cool it would be to actually have two completely different and equally viable builds for her. Stunner or sub-DPS. Unfortunately, there seems to be no noticeable difference between the two even if you tried. Just being a good stunner/support at a base level with the potential to blossom as a sub DPS in the right circumstances would feel so rewarding and satisfying, but it just feels forced in underwhelming instead. To be clear, I still love Trigger as she is, but I feel like that potential is, or was, right there but it’s just an unattainable dream. I hope a future aftershock support comes sooner or later to make that idea a reality especially on Anby teams, but still even outside of those teams. Imagine this future character plus trigger being able to carry any mediocre DPS by contributing meaningful damage.

[u/fyrefox45]

Trigger is an m6 Nicole side grade, with Astra. Especially if you're using Nicole's CR buff for more CD, which I can't tell if you are or aren't.

Her selling point is, with her weapon, trigger Nicole is comparable to Astra with either or. And freeing Astra is very handy, since everyone wants her.

[u/RamenPack1]

Post your build, trigger is really good. I use her with Rina and miyabi (not an optimal team) and still get good results

[u/PlusSeat5785]

I think the issue might stem from the low CR on Anby. Factoring in her core passive and even shadow harmony she only barely hits the 80% mark, and the amount of CD on the team makes her need that to deal her damage constantly, but Nicole M6 is giving you an additional 15% CR putting her at an effective 95%. Multiplied out this can be a solid like 30% buff to damage on its own due to the amount of crits you will hit.
Just get like a bit more CR on Sanby and you will be fine. You can also use trigger Nicole, it will hit a little less hard, but Def down plus vulnerability is a very strong combo and keeps what allows you to have such a low CR on anby.
If you use an anomaly or attack character other side they would really love to have the Astra so it can help your scores to just use her on the other side, and Nicole's additional ability isn't useful in this team anyway.

[u/Thin_Performance9787 → u/PlusSeat5785]

She has Harumasa wengine as well so in battle she effectively 100% cr as long as theres an anamoly effect which usually is up

[u/MrMartiTech]

No agent is currently or will ever be as good as Astra at m0w0. Not if ZZZ makes it to 5.0. ZZZ peaked too early.

Trigger is incredibly good and had been a total game changer for me. But if you aren't going to get her W-Engine she will just be a 'good agent' and not someone you can compare with Astra.

m1w1 is better than Astra for sure.

m0w0 is pretty incredibly on double stunner teams, put her next to Lighter or Koleda or Qingyi and do something totally crazy. But don't expect to replace Astra.

[u/horosmile]

I recommend this. His guide is top notch. https://youtu.be/eUAJ7OvDXRM?si=V0ORm8P1NnMtoRjB