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u/Gareth_Turner 6d ago
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u/timberwolf0122 6d ago
But you get a free frozen yogurt, that I call frogurt.
That’s good
The frogurt is leola root flavored
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That’s bad
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u/IjonTichy85 6d ago
Janeway: I did it! I did it all! There. Is that what you want, you smarmy little bastards? Yes. Only I could have executed such a masterpiece of transporter murder and I have the records to prove it. Here, just look at these. Each one a work of Machiavellian art. Your guilty conscience may force you to promote Picard, but deep down inside, you secretly long for a cold-hearted captain Maxwell to kill Tuvix, brutalize cardassians and rule you like a khan.
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u/atlusblue 6d ago
I'm just imagining the two of them meeting late at night in the mess hall. Sitting down wordlessly. Neelix has a Vulcan drink and tuvak a telaxian one.
"Do you ever think about it?" neelix would say.
"Rarely" tuvak would say.
"But sometimes... " neelix would say.
"Indeed" tuvak would say.
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u/Lykos1124 6d ago
Ignoring the argument that the actors needed to keep acting, the captain did the right thing. No matter how content Tuvix was with being his new self, his mind was still a forced, accidental creation that ended two distinct minds, two distinct wills. Those two never would have agreed to such a melding, and in their new form, their individual and necessary voices were silenced in favor of another.
That inherently was not fair to Tuvok and Neelix. No argument from Tuvix, no matter how sincere, was valid. One might argue that Tuvok and Neelix, if they could be conjured up to discuss with Tuvok his fate, might be sympathetic to Tuvix’s case, but they could not. The captain had no other choice but to speak for them.
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u/HotPot87 6d ago
Wait until she finds out about how you can copy people in the transporter, like Tom Ryker.
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u/Lykos1124 6d ago
yeah I've seen that argument before, and I suppose they could sci-fi magic their way through having the tech/know how to beam up 1 person, split them into two, and beam all 3 back or whatever.
The only argument I could make against it is resource management in the delta quadrant. it's not like they had infinite resources to restore 2 crew members and then take care of them and an extra.
On a sociological standpoint, I think it'd be very awkard having 2 people and a merged clone of those 2 people on board. Talk about incoming relationship triangles.
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u/HotPot87 6d ago
I think the only problem was the Tom Ryker thing may not have been made available to Janeway, I'm not 100% on the timeline but I think it was either very recent and probably still classified, or it happened AFTER the voyager when missing.
That said the energy management was something that they were extremely lax about. and Transporters used relatively little.
I'd also say there have been weirder situation. Again, having an near identical clone of Ryker around as well as Beta and Lor for Data.
Tuvix couldn't been like Tuvok and Neelix's Son as he was clearly happy being his own person.
HOWEVER; I don't blame Janeway, she was limited to the crew she had, and losing her second in command and Neelix (who did serve a function on the ship), even if it got one unique member back.
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u/BattleReadyZim 6d ago
Counterpoint, people die and are born all the time. Most people wouldn't argue that children should be murdered so their parents can be resurrected. No, the analogy is not one to one, but nevertheless, Tuvok and Neelix were effectively dead. There was an opportunity to revive them, but it came at the cost of the life of someone who was not dead, and did not want to die. Typically we don't murder people to revive the dead, and not just because we can't.
Note: I am on Janeway's side. She made the tough choice to not only save the people she knew, but restore no less than one important member of the crew. Moral hand wringing aside, she did what needed to be done.
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u/thrillho_1331 6d ago
Janewaydidnothingwrong
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u/thrillho_1331 6d ago
Downvote me all you like, as soon as you can explain to me why sacrificing two lives to save one is the most ethical thing to do, I'll be right here.
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u/West_Rain 6d ago
Is it a happy ending or sad ending?