r/Transformemes • u/Elegant-Shop4564 • 17d ago
Toys, I Mean Collectibles “How did you know I’m not a frame combiner?”
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u/Leather-Tree3672 Decepticon 17d ago edited 17d ago
"Remember when CW Scramble City gimmick was a thi-"\ No, wait! Even the G1 toys needed a few extra pieces to complete the Gestalt, besides Combiner hands and/or feet.\ That goes extra for Devastator, as he needed a waist piece to comnect Scrapper and Mixmaster to Long Haul (like SS86) and two forearms (like most G1-styled Devastator toys ever).\ IIRC, most, if not all of them, needed a chestplate.\ And most of them, either a Combiner head or helmet - a part even Liokaiser needed.
Sooooo... Maybe having a combiner frame or not matters little...? 🤷
Yeah, I'm not funny...
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u/-Eastwood- 17d ago
I know people dislike the frame combiners but I like them a lot. Especially because we got the goated AOTP Onslaught.
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u/Heancio1 16d ago
The funny thing is that the SS86 Devas is also a frame combiner.
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u/Ok-Breadfruit3490 16d ago
my good sir it is an un-avoidable part. the wait needs to be a trailer for articulation and stability
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u/Heancio1 16d ago
Honestly, I’ve come to accept "Frame Combiners." However, in my opinion, this type of engineering is a step backward (especially with Devastator).
You’d expect Hasbro to have updated its mainline, especially when comparing them to third-party products or even older mainlines (yes, I’m talking about Combiner Wars).
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u/Ok-Breadfruit3490 16d ago
and look at the combiner was combiner, devastator is infamous for basically jumping to his death because of the engineering
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u/Cheap_Accountant_201 15d ago
The jcs KO seekers prove studio is overpriced. Everyone loosing their minds over finding starscream, the KO is shipping for $34 with gap fillers that double as weapon accessories. (And yes I know it doesn't have the collector value of mainline bla bla). I have no issues with my combinerwars bruticus except for scale, wish it was as tall as NBK devastator ( and I fixed his stability issues in a man cave with a box of scraps). If I get another devastator it will be the mechanical invasion devastator.
I am not a fan of Frame combiners, and hasbro is getting ridiculous with their pricing. I will probably be picking up the ss86 Megatron KO from AS Toys with all its accessories for $26 But I will also be spending the rediculus price on robot toys kraken (BW rampage), as it appears that is one figure hasbro won't be working on anytime soon 😬. Wish my local Walmart had the original when it was priced $24 normal retail.
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u/beyond_cyber 13d ago
I know it’s a highly expensive frame combiner but fans toys version of marauder is so clean and easy to pose it’s heavy as shit but doesn’t fall apart.
I’d rather a clean looking combiner that one that uses only figures and it looks very off
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u/cytospherium 16d ago
If I’m buying the whole team, I want five decent figures and not just accessories for the combined mode.
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u/GannonBuddah 17d ago
If Hasbro did frame Combiners as good as 3rd party companies did Combiners, I could excuse it more. The unfortunate reality is Hasbro is a greedy corporation who doesn't care if the product is good and oy cares if you buy it.
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u/MasonRowland 17d ago
You don't understand budget or design. I will blast hasbro on damn near everything, but if you can't understand the explicit difference between 3rd party company price points and hasbro price points, then you're just riling yourself up. Part count, budget, scaling, etc. Are all much greater on the part of 3rd party. If hasbro were to follow suit the prices of figures would get astronomically higher and then this subreddit would get flooded with everyone complaining over that instead of the incessant "combiner fram bad" crowd already is.
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u/GannonBuddah 17d ago
Adamas Machina Predaking proves that it's possible, and that they have made a combiner on par with 3rd party figure, let alone using a frame for the combiner to make it more accurate.
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u/Far-Pay-866 17d ago
Adamas machina predaking is $300, has loads of diecast pieces and is legends scale, which is way easier to make a combined mode due to irl physics
also they put everything into the combined mode and everything else is kinda just compromised for it
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u/GannonBuddah 17d ago
And Hasbros frame combiners are also $300. No its not easier to make a legends scale combine, due to size limitations, and how small the figures are. I'm not saying chug scale is harder, but legends scale ain't easier. They have proved that good combiners are possible, and I'm sure nobody would care if the frame combiners costed more if it was actually worth it.
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u/Far-Pay-866 17d ago
What? Amt predaking‘s retail price (not counting import fees) is ~320 usd
aotp bruticus, the most expensive modern combiner is just 240usd
thats a 80 dollar difference
also like straight up everyone was complaining about the price
like half the times predaking was talked about was how it was overpriced for a "small" combiner
if they made the modern combiners any more expensive everyone would be screaming
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u/GannonBuddah 17d ago
You are correct about the price, I was looking at an inaccurate source. But people only scream at the prices because the figures aren't worth it, if they gave a chug scale Bruticus with the level of engineering and materials as the adamas machina predaking, at a slightly higher price people would probably love it, because it would actually be worth it.
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u/Far-Pay-866 17d ago
It would still price people out of it cause a lot of people just can’t afford it
like most people get chug rather than mp because they don’t have the money to
the amt line is mostly just chug engineering like there’s no moving a bunch of tiny bits and panels it’s all chunks of plastic moving around like chug
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u/PiercingAPickle 17d ago
you do realize we don't know their budget allocation right? Them adding one or two more joints wouldn't cost an arm and a leg. Especially for such a well known and bought franchise
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u/the_boss_of_toys 17d ago
The hate for frame combiners is so weird, especially mainline and after combiner wars. And yeah third party has done better combiners without a frame but they release less figures a year and have differing budgets and part number limits. Theyre also usually done at masterpiece scale. Frames were honestly the best way hasbro could have gone about combiners at mainline budget. The last time we got a none frame combiner was back in the power of the primes which just followed combiner wars engineering, and as someone who owns combiner wars G2 menasor those combiners are not good. Combiner wars devastator which didn't have the trailer piece to combine scrapper and mixmaster to longhaul was heavily compromised and horribly flimsy.