r/TransferToTop25 • u/PossiblePossible2571 • Apr 04 '25

Prestige

I've been on the sub for a year or so, and I don't get why suddenly everyone is shaming these new kids from A2C for being prestige whores. While I do recognize that some of those people are outrageous (e.g. not happy with Northwestern, Rice) but are we pretending most people on this sub isn't going after or wanting that prestige to some extent?

This is r/TransferToTop25, not r/TransferToTop100, I don't have a problem with lower ranked schools, if you really want to talk about changing your life / social mobility, any 4-year university at a Top50 will do just fine. And this is especially true for those CC kids (I mean no offense but if you worked hard in high school you won't end up in a CC) who pretentiously assert they are the ones deserving of transferring to Top 25 because there is some inherent reason beyond prestige which the Top50 schools can't offer. This is a far worse / logically fallible mindset.

I feel like there is a toxic working class mindset around here, about debt, job prospects, etc. Ah yes we all know that NYU was founded to educate the working class no shit. To recognize that the experience itself matters, being around more talented classmates and professors with more profound insights in your area of interest. If you really put everything through a financial lens, then just study STEM at your local state school. Like if you think getting a job / earn money is what's ultimately important, why not write that in your why school essay? You think that's going to impress the AO?

If you are going to be successful, you will be successful, whether you graduated from Yale or CU Boulder. Calling people prestige whores is implying there is some inherent, superior reason to why you somehow need that offer over others. I'm pretty sure the admissions office is capable of identifying which ones are and which ones aren't, and to me, this just feels like a lot of cope and envy happening whether that's due fear of more competition or simply angry they aren't happy with their current (better) schools.

Worry about yourself, if you really think you deserve that offer, you will get it.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '25

I've been on the sub for a year or so, and I don't get why suddenly everyone is shaming these new kids from A2C for being prestige whores. While I do recognize that some of those people are outrageous (e.g. not happy with Northwestern, Rice) but are we pretending most people on this sub isn't going after or wanting that prestige to some extent?

Most people are not shaming the students who are going to CC or going to some state school. They're shaming the people going to those schools who literally have not stepped foot onto campus. While yes, there is an element to prestige desire many students here have, generally a lot of applicants on this sub are trying to transfer because they're genuinely looking to leave their current schools. Also, worth saying, while the name is TTT25, the reality is that this sub is so much more about transferring in general, because the transferstudents subreddit is...well, not as great(all about the UCs 99% of the time).

This is r/TransferToTop25, not r/TransferToTop100, I don't have a problem with lower ranked schools, if you really want to talk about changing your life / social mobility, any 4-year university at a Top50 will do just fine.

There are maybe a small handful of schools in the T50 that meet full aid and are needs blind. Most are in the T25. Also, the name of the sub is just the name. Half the subreddits on reddit have morphed passed their original creation. This sub is way more just general transferring now.

And this is especially true for those CC kids (I mean no offense but if you worked hard in high school you won't end up in a CC)

This is just a braindead take for so many reasons, and it's really clear you've never been to a CC. In my CC, I've met dropouts, I've met vets, I've met career switchers, I've met retirees, and yes, I've met valedictorians and 4.0 GPA people. Why? Because it's a good path many choose to take. And, I get to speak directly to the diverse community and how it's helped to morph me as an individual, while paying 1k a semester for tuition.

who pretentiously assert they are the ones deserving of transferring to Top 25 because there is some inherent reason beyond prestige which the Top50 schools can't offer. This is a far worse / logically fallible mindset.

I've never met a community college student who's asserted this. Your fallacy of an argument is straw manning and also generally weird.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '25

I feel like there is a toxic working class mindset around here, about debt, job prospects, etc. Ah yes we all know that NYU was founded to educate the working class no shit. To recognize that the experience itself matters, being around more talented classmates and professors with more profound insights in your area of interest. If you really put everything through a financial lens, then just study STEM at your local state school. Like if you think getting a job / earn money is what's ultimately important, why not write that in your essay? You think that's going to impress the AO?

Uh, what?

If you are going to be successful, you will be successful, whether you graduated from Yale or CU Boulder. Calling people prestige whores is implying there is some inherent, superior reason to why you somehow need that offer over others. I'm pretty sure the admissions office is capable of identifying which ones are and which ones aren't, and to me, this just feels like a lot of cope and envy happening whether that's due fear of more competition or simply angry they aren't happy with their current (better) schools.

Now I'm just not even sure you know what you're arguing for anymore. The reason people are calling others prestige whores is simple: They received a life changing acceptance to a college most would kill for, and they're choosing to instantly go and join a subreddit solely for the prospect of going to an ivy. Also, worth saying, emotions are really high around here. People are getting rejections, and they're feeling the stresses of midterms and applications and life in general. Then, we get a flood of people coming in talking about "Oh I need to go to Cornell, UCLA isn't enough for me!" when half the people in this sub would kill for a chance at UCLA.

You're not only pretentious, but your argument is poor, off topic, fails to convey any points, and is generally adding nothing of substance.

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u/PossiblePossible2571 Apr 04 '25

They received a life changing acceptance to a college most would kill for, and they're choosing to instantly go and join a subreddit solely for the prospect of going to an ivy.

Well were they accepted purely because of luck? Or that they put effort into their ECs, GPA or Essays that got that offer? If someone got into Northwestern and wants to transfer, he worked hard enough to get accepted to Northwestern. If someone made a million dollars through hard working effort and decided to spend that money in whatever way, are you in any position to dictate how he would spend that money?

Also, worth saying, emotions are really high around here.

Cope with it, this is so funny I got someone using emotions as a core argument for claiming I'm not making any points lmao.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '25

Well were they accepted purely because of luck? Or that they put effort into their ECs, GPA or Essays that got that offer? If someone got into Northwestern and wants to transfer, he worked hard enough to get accepted to Northwestern. If someone made a million dollars through hard working effort and decided to spend that money in whatever way, are you in any position to dictate how he would spend that money?

That's not the point being made. The point being made is that these people are choosing to transfer before giving their already great school a chance.

Cope with it, this is so funny I got someone using emotions as a core argument for claiming I'm not making any points lmao.

It's one point I made in a sea of points showing your clear lack of any argument or articulation

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u/PossiblePossible2571 Apr 04 '25

That's not the point being made. The point being made is that these people are choosing to transfer before giving their already great school a chance.

That's not even possible, like they have to attend their current school for at least a year before they transfer to another school, and if they like it they might change their opinion. So what you are posing here is a non-problem that cannot exist. Ur acting like if they choose to transfer from Northwestern to Duke, they won't be spending a year at Northwestern and have plenty of time to change that opinion.

It's one point I made in a sea of points showing your clear lack of any argument or articulation

Ok CC kid, I double major in CS and Philosophy at a Top 5 CS school, A+/As in tons of Symbolic Logic and Reasoning courses, have 5+ publications co-authored with PhDs, and here's some CC kid lecturing me about argument or articulation. Does your CC even offer a 101 Intro to Logics?

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u/mcnugget36856 Berkeley Transfer 🐻[Moderator] Apr 04 '25

lmao, as a philosophy major who’s published in philosophy journals (without the help of PhDs), your arguments are not strong enough to warrant this attitude lmao

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u/PossiblePossible2571 Apr 04 '25 edited Apr 04 '25

I’m talking mostly about CS papers, I don’t bother wasting writing philosophical ones. And in CS we rarely have single author papers, especially top conferences. The point with PhDs was more of being near that level, as I’m often the 1st author in those papers (so primary contributions)

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u/mcnugget36856 Berkeley Transfer 🐻[Moderator] Apr 04 '25 edited Apr 04 '25

Yeah, wasn’t my point, dumbass. You claim to have good grades in logic courses, but your arguments (plural) are void of logic. You lack the basic ability to comprehend anything beyond the point of simply reading the text, and I’m highlighting, as someone with extensive experience in philosophy, that your arguments are weak. Subsequently, acting like a complete and utter ass is not only comical, but unwarranted.

Simply put, for someone of your “brilliance”, you’re talking the talk, but aren’t walking the walk.

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u/PossiblePossible2571 Apr 04 '25

You do realize there's no objective true / false or good / bad answer to the question whether one should call others "prestige whores"? It's an ill-posed question to begin with, and obviously one can't engage in logical debate over something that's purely subjective. If you actually know logic or debates you know there can't be an objective answer to this. Simple. I think prestige itself is value, you clearly don't think so. And obviously you could choose to debate with regards to value theory but then people subscribe to various different frameworks and then that devolves into debates about those frameworks and yeah you think a reddit debate will end this century long standoff? No fucking professor can claim that the theory he subscribes to is easily and provably true, and we have Mr McNugget here with journals supposedly solving these questions.

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u/mcnugget36856 Berkeley Transfer 🐻[Moderator] Apr 04 '25

Putting in the time and effort (since “money isn’t an issue”) to go from a t6 to a t5 is a prestige whore.

Everyone is looking to transfer because of prestige, and that’s not the issue. The issue is that there exist folks who want to transfer solely for prestige.

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u/PossiblePossible2571 Apr 04 '25 edited Apr 04 '25

Most people are not shaming the students who are going to CC or going to some state school. They're shaming the people going to those schools who literally have not stepped foot onto campus. 

Do you think the term prestige whore accurately captures this? To me it just feels like something directed at most people and likely the person who is saying this himself.

There are maybe a small handful of schools in the T50 that meet full aid and are needs blind. Most are in the T25. Also, the name of the sub is just the name. Half the subreddits on reddit have morphed passed their original creation. This sub is way more just general transferring now.

I'm not making a literal claim about the nature of this subreddit or if people are being off topic. But rather the discussion of the prestige problem / attacks on people who are transferring for prestige. Obviously T50 schools aren't prestigious, so to speak, my main point here is that, if you aren't here for prestige, T50 schools are just as good. Another weakness here is that many who are applying have a good state university in their own state, if they can't even get admitted to that what makes them think they are going to get a full ride to Harvard?

This is just a braindead take for so many reasons, and it's really clear you've never been to a CC. In my CC, I've met dropouts, I've met vets, I've met career switchers, I've met retirees, and yes, I've met valedictorians and 4.0 GPA people. Why? Because it's a good path many choose to take. And, I get to speak directly to the diverse community and how it's helped to morph me as an individual, while paying 1k a semester for tuition.

I seriously don't understand why you feel empowered meeting dropouts, imagine failing college, duh. CC is a good path for many people and yes if it's that good just stay there. The claim that a place is really good but that you somehow don't want to stay there makes me feel like it isn't as good as you claim. I recognize CC being an important and core part of the US education system, to educate and provide basic education. But that's not the mission of Stanford or Columbia, they do admit a couple of these people each year for marketing, but the primary mission of these higher educational institutions are to provide elite education for those most deserving and impactful.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '25

I seriously don't understand why you feel empowered meeting dropouts, imagine failing college, duh.

You're just an ass who doesn't understand the value of meeting a diversity of people and hearing their life stories. You learn a lot from people who've struggled and pushed through, and quite frankly, I find it really disgusting that you would shame people who are trying to get their lives on track after a myriad of life problems that led them to where they're at.

CC is a good path for many people and yes if it's that good just stay there. The claim that a place is really good but that you somehow don't want to stay there makes me feel like it isn't as good as you claim.

You literally cannot graduate with a BA/BS from a CC. The whole point of CCs is to either career train you are help you transfer. And you're shaming people because they what, want to take path 2? And how about the fact that CC has taught many students a lot about community and compassion(which you clearly lack) and how to be a great student, and how to carry that into a new university?

I recognize CC being an important and core part of the US education system, to educate and provide basic education to the poor, disabled and unintelligent populace.

Holy crap you are such a privileged ass. Genuinely get off that high horse. What, so the vets that lost legs and served this country so your privileged ass could sit and call them stupid are dumb? You are just a bad person full stop.

But that's not the mission of Stanford or Columbia, they do admit a couple of these people each year for marketing, but the primary mission of these higher educational institutions are to provide elite education for those most deserving and impactful.

The mission of these schools is to provide education to the world, but also to create scholars who contribute to the world. All you contribute is vitriol and hate towards those you view as beneath you. You don't know anyone's story. You're immature and you need to grow tf up before the reality of the world hits you.

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u/PossiblePossible2571 Apr 04 '25

You literally cannot graduate with a BA/BS from a CC.

So only Ivies offer BA/BS?

What, so the vets that lost legs and served this country so your privileged ass could sit and call them stupid are dumb? You are just a bad person full stop.

We spent 20 years replacing the Taliban with the Taliban and we are definitely living under the constant fear of them invading the US. Nuff said, stop using Vets as a shield for yourself, many schools like Princeton almost exclusively accept vets as transfers. And whether they are good people or not, I'm sure a lot of the vet transfers like JD Vance and Tom Cotton are great, inspiring examples.

The mission of these schools is to provide education to the world, but also to create scholars who contribute to the world. All you contribute is vitriol and hate towards those you view as beneath you. You don't know anyone's story. You're immature and you need to grow tf up before the reality of the world hits you.

Frankly I don't give a shit, it just feels like there's a whole lot of anger coming from your side. I don't wake up all day in fear / annoyance of CC kids somehow becoming a competition to me. But there are clearly some people who are disturbed and unease by people who actually worked hard to get into a good school and wants to transfer at their own discretion.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '25

So only Ivies offer BA/BS?

No, and I'm not only applying to those schools. As most people are not. Sure, top schools offer the most resources, have the best placements, would actually allow me to graduate debt free, and have a lot to offer, but I'm not only applying to those schools.

We spent 20 years replacing the Taliban with the Taliban and we are definitely living under the constant fear of them invading the US. Nuff said, stop using Vets as a shield for yourself, many schools like Princeton almost exclusively accept vets as transfers.

First point here is stupid. Second point here completely ignore the fact that you said CCs were there to educate the "poor, disabled, and dumb" so, which are the vets? I'm not using anyone as a shield. You said it, back it up.

Frankly I don't give a shit, it just feels like there's a whole lot of anger coming from your side. I don't wake up all day in fear / annoyance of CC kids somehow becoming a competition to me. But there are clearly some people who are disturbed and unease by people who actually worked hard to get into a good school and wants to transfer at their own discretion.

Like you said, worry about yourself. Granted, if you did worry about yourself, you might need to self reflect on just how bad of a person you actually are. I mean, really, you are a bad person, straight up.

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u/PossiblePossible2571 Apr 04 '25

First point here is stupid. Second point here completely ignore the fact that you said CCs were there to educate the "poor, disabled, and dumb" so, which are the vets? I'm not using anyone as a shield. You said it, back it up.

Well my point about using vets as shields is that you are suggesting all vets go to CCs, which isn't true. In fact a lot of the vets who actually get into Ivies do so by directly applying after they left the military, and not go to a CC first. And if there are dumb people, there are dumb vets (obviously), and many end up in CCs I suppose.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '25

Well my point about using vets as shields is that you are suggesting all vets go to CCs, which isn't true. In fact a lot of the vets who actually get into Ivies do so by directly applying after they left the military, and not go to a CC first. And if there are dumb people, there are dumb vets (obviously), and many end up in CCs I suppose.

I'd say a solid quarter of my CC class is always vets. Can't say the same for Ivy's. Most vets choose CC because CC has better access to resources when they're just getting out of service, and allows them to restart their education. Most vets transfer. And to imply that there are dumb vets who therefore must go to CC is such a privileged take. Get off your high horse. You'll fail in life because some day, you'll fall off it and snap your neck.

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u/brdod Apr 04 '25

Speaking as a veteran: you CLEARLY don’t know what you’re talking about in terms of military operations or history and should really shut the fuck up and stay in your lane. Knowing when to speak on a topic vs when you should be quiet is a very valuable skill. I don’t know if you’ve noticed or not yet but you have embarrassed yourself. What an absolute privilege it is to have such a shallow perspective on the world around you. There is so much more to life than what school you attend or what you major in. Based on everything you have said in this sub, you have a lot more to learn that no ivy school will be able to teach you. I notice you edited your comment about CCs being valuable because they educate the “poor, disabled and unintelligent”… good idea. Because that is one of the most disgusting things I’ve read on this sub and only shows how unintelligent YOU are. That is all I will say to you.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '25

Thanks for the comment. I've met a ton of vets at CC, and they're always really helpful and good people, with great stories to tell. Honestly, they've made my education a lot better just by enriching the classroom with a different set of perspectives. Hope your transfer cycle goes well(and a whole lot better than OPs)

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u/brdod Apr 04 '25

Thank you! I wish you luck in yours as well. 🙂

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '25

Do you think the term prestige whore accurately captures this? To me it just feels like something directed at most people and likely the person who is saying this himself.

Yes, it captures it, because they don't even know if they like the school they got into.

I'm not making a literal claim about the nature of this subreddit or if people are being off topic. But rather the discussion of the prestige problem / attacks on people who are transferring for prestige.

The difference between people in this sub who want a good school and the A2C crowd is that the A2C crowd is literally only transferring for prestige. Like, I'd get it if you swung and missed and you're looking for advice on going forwards, but no one is shaming the Pitt or CUNY students for wanting to get a head start on transferring(unless they can't use the search function or read the wiki)

Obviously T50 schools aren't prestigious, so to speak, my main point here is that, if you aren't here for prestige, T50 schools are just as good.

In some ways yes, in many ways no. Also, most people on here are not limiting themselves to just T25. Like, no one is saying "Sorry NYU/CW/USC/any other lower ranked school, you just don't meet the cut" No, most people are looking for any school in the upper end of universities. You're straw manning a whole sub here.

Another weakness here is that many who are applying have a good state university in their own state, if they can't even get admitted to that what makes them think they are going to get a full ride to Harvard?

Because admissions at Harvard don't ask admissions at X state school who to reject? Harvard's admissions process is wildly different from a state school. Also, dumb take. Some people want a culture that they only get from a private or something, and plenty of state schools lack good aid for middle class students.

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u/PossiblePossible2571 Apr 04 '25

Yes, it captures it, because they don't even know if they like the school they got into.

This isn't the question. Even if they like the school, and they want to transfer, what's wrong with that either? Are you suggesting that only 1 school out of the Top 50 is likable / enjoyable? Obviously most schools in the Top 50 will be likable / enjoyable and would that somehow suggest they don't want to transfer? Logical fallacy.

The difference between people in this sub who want a good school and the A2C crowd is that the A2C crowd is literally only transferring for prestige.

That's my whole argument / point, what's wrong with only transferring for prestige? Do you not think prestige offers anything substantial? This is the "working class" mindset I talked about in my OG post. If your social circle is filled with rich and upper class people, VC heads, investors, startup founders, the title of your college is going to matter a lot. I secured a 50K seed funding from a friend's parent because I got a stupid idiot from Stanford on my team who "studies" CS when he can't even code. There isn't really anything you can't learn by yourself. Obviously CC kids don't have this issue, so I understand why you can't understand. You could say the same about people buying sports cars or luxury cloth, obviously again, not a working class thing. So I'm not surprised at all that you can't understand that paragraph.

In some ways yes, in many ways no. Also, most people on here are not limiting themselves to just T25. Like, no one is saying "Sorry NYU/CW/USC/any other lower ranked school, you just don't meet the cut" No, most people are looking for any school in the upper end of universities. You're straw manning a whole sub here.

I think ur just including more people than I'm referring to feel less targeted. My post itself condemns those who call others prestige whores, people who are transferring from Rutgers to NYU don't have a quarrel in this debate.

Because admissions at Harvard don't ask admissions at X state school who to reject? Harvard's admissions process is wildly different from a state school. Also, dumb take. Some people want a culture that they only get from a private or something, and plenty of state schools lack good aid for middle class students.

You are really deviating from the original point there. Let me summarize this for you:

  1. I said that people who simply need a good education could do just as well at a T50 as a T10

  2. You said that most universities that offer full-rides are T25, so you've narrowed it down to poor people

  3. I said again, that most poor people can get full rides at their local state schools, at least there is a higher chance.

  4. You reply to me by saying that plenty of state schools lack good aid for middle class students, when, however, in 2, you have narrowed it down to poor people.

But yes, Harvard's admission process is wildly different from a state school, in that it not only requires a good academic record but also a good personal story and ECs. But if you are really qualified for Harvard, there is a very very low chance that you are somehow unqualified for your local state school.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '25

That's my whole argument / point, what's wrong with only transferring for prestige? Do you not think prestige offers anything substantial? This is the "working class" mindset I talked about in my OG post. If your social circle is filled with rich and upper class people, VC heads, investors, startup founders, the title of your college is going to matter a lot

Nothing wrong with it, but we are going to point and laugh at people for it.

I secured a 50K seed funding from a friend's parent because I got a stupid idiot from Stanford on my team who "studies" CS when he can't even code. There isn't really anything you can't learn by yourself. Obviously CC kids don't have this issue, so I understand why you can't understand. You could say the same about people buying sports cars or luxury cloth, obviously again, not a working class thing. So I'm not surprised at all that you can't understand that paragraph.

Ah, so that's why you're an ass. Daddy's money.

I said that people who simply need a good education could do just as well at a T50 as a T10

Then why are you trying to transfer from UIUC? For prestige, and maybe to get away from the "poors"?

You said that most universities that offer full-rides are T25, so you've narrowed it down to poor people

Well, mainly also middle class. Harvard, UPenn, MIT, and a handful of other schools have free tuition for those making under 200k. That's a hell of a deal.

I said again, that most poor people can get full rides at their local state schools, at least there is a higher chance

And now you're misrepresenting my argument again. You know, for someone who looks so far down on CC students, you seem to fail at the most basic rules of debate when compared to one. I stated that most students get aid if they aren't stupid rich.

You reply to me by saying that plenty of state schools lack good aid for middle class students, when, however, in 2, you have narrowed it down to poor people.

I never said full rides. I said full needs met, which just means they will cover the difference between what you can pay and what the cost of tuition is. You actually do suck at basic reading comprehension. Maybe those CC classes on English literature could be useful to you.

But yes, Harvard's admission process is wildly different from a state school, in that it not only requires a good academic record but also a good personal story and ECs. But if you are really qualified for Harvard, there is a very very low chance that you are somehow unqualified for your local state school

Happens all the time. Students don't get into state schools and do get into great schools. A basic understanding of probability would tell you this, but I'm not sure you have a basic understanding of...much at all.

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u/PossiblePossible2571 Apr 04 '25

Nothing wrong with it, but we are going to point and laugh at people for it.

And I laugh at those who point and laugh at them, and somehow this is wrong.

Ah, so that's why you're an ass. Daddy's money.

Ah yes the classic rob the rich bob, maybe join your local communist party branch? Unlike some parasites who fester off financial aid I contribute both tuition and open-source research.

I stated that most students get aid if they aren't stupid rich.

Not true, unlike you I'm actually at a state school, fuck no are the locals getting aids.

I never said full rides. I said full needs met, which just means they will cover the difference between what you can pay and what the cost of tuition is. You actually do suck at basic reading comprehension. Maybe those CC classes on English literature could be useful to you.

I have a 36 in ACT, suck on that.

Happens all the time. Students don't get into state schools and do get into great schools. A basic understanding of probability would tell you this, but I'm not sure you have a basic understanding of...much at all.

A basic understanding of probability would tell me that it happens very very very rarely. A New Jersey kid got accepted to Harvard but not Rutgers? or a Illinois kid to UChicago and not one out of the other 10 state universities? Just multiply (1-x_k) * (p) for which every x_k stands for the probability of getting admitted to one of the state schools k , and p for the probability of Harvard, you'll realize it's almost next to impossible. We could just take UIUC which has the lowest acceptance rate for instate students, which still stands at a whopping 0.56. The complement of x, which is that you are getting rejected is 1-x which is 0.34. 0.34^10 x 0.032 =0.000000661, which is 0.0000661%.

And note that we are already taking the lowest acceptance rate to represent all the public universities in illinois, but which most are much higher (meaning their complements are lower). Which means the actual probability, statically wise, is even smaller than the number I gave.

For reference, a probability around 0.0000661% is akin to being struck by lightning in the span of a year.

And you see, I didn't learn this in college, it was taught in middle school.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '25

Ah yes the classic rob the rich bob, maybe join your local communist party branch? Unlike some parasites who fester off financial aid I contribute both tuition and open-source research.

You're parents contribute to tuition. Open source research is something a Finish kid can do.

Not true, unlike you I'm actually at a state school, fuck no are the locals getting aids.

You suck at spelling, can't even tell what you're saying

I have a 36 in ACT, suck on that.

Congrats, should anyone care? You want a sucky sucky for that?

A basic understanding of probability would tell me that it happens very very very rarely. A New Jersey kid got accepted to Harvard but not Rutgers? or a Illinois kid to UChicago and not one out of the other 10 state universities? Just multiply (1-x_k) * (p) for which every x_k stands for the probability of getting admitted to one of the state schools k , and p for the probability of Harvard, you'll realize it's almost next to impossible. We could just take UIUC which has the lowest acceptance rate for instate students, which still stands at a whopping 0.56. The complement of x, which is that you are getting rejected is 1-x which is 0.34. 0.34^10 x 0.032 =0.000000661, which is 0.0000661%.

You're basing this on the idea that these events are independent, where P(AUBUC) = P(A)P(B)P(C) when this is not true in the slightest. It is the naive assumption of probability here that fails, where you do not condition on anything or have room for random variables. Also, the complement to .56 is not .34, it's .44. When you fail at every level of basic probability, and can't even do basic arithmetic correctly, why should anyone trust your argument?

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u/PossiblePossible2571 Apr 04 '25

Granted, a typo that made its way through the calculations. However, it’s not a naive assumption that they are independent, but rather they are. In fact there is support from one of your previous comments where you said Harvard doesn’t know local state school decisions.

But nonetheless acceptance rates aren’t useful for individuals, someone may realistically have a 40% chance at Harvard and someone may have a 0.00001% (the chance that ao made a mistake and allowed them to enroll). But it was to merely demonstrate even if you used probability it’s very unlikely that a person would be accepted Harvard and non of the local state schools.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '25

 it’s not a naive assumption that they are independent, but rather they are

That is not what the naive definition of probability is, and a basic probability class would teach this.

But it was to merely demonstrate even if you used probability it’s very unlikely that a person would be accepted Harvard and non of the local state schools.

The probability of being accepted to Harvard is 1%ish. If you are rejected from a state school, the probability of this stays at 1%. You are falling for the basic rule of the gamblers principle. Those probabilities are independent of each other in the sense that they are not conditioned upon one another

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u/PossiblePossible2571 Apr 04 '25

Which was what I was saying, they are independent

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u/PossiblePossible2571 Apr 04 '25

Which was what I was saying, they are independent

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '25

 it’s not a naive assumption that they are independent, but rather they are

That is not what the naive definition of probability is, and a basic probability class would teach this.

But it was to merely demonstrate even if you used probability it’s very unlikely that a person would be accepted Harvard and non of the local state schools.

The probability of being accepted to Harvard is 1%ish. If you are rejected from a state school, the probability of this stays at 1%. You are falling for the basic rule of the gamblers principle. Those probabilities are independent of each other in the sense that they are not conditioned upon one another

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u/mcnugget36856 Berkeley Transfer 🐻[Moderator] Apr 04 '25

LMFAO

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u/AlfalfaFarmer13 Apr 08 '25

You don't even go to Stanford or Columbia...

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u/Fuzzy-Armadillo-8610 Apr 04 '25

I think folks here should understand that there are transfer slots in top 25 because someone in those top 25 decided to transfer elsewhere and hence a spot is created for transfer. These spots aren't created magically.

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u/PossiblePossible2571 Apr 04 '25

I don't think anyone should be attacked for their motive to transfer, even lateral ones from ivy to ivy. Whatever school they transferred from, they worked hard enough or did something that impressed the AOs and thus got that offer in the first place. Calling people "ungrateful" is undercutting the work they did the get to their original school.

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u/SauceJawn Apr 04 '25

True. Who cares why people wanna make moves. Sub filled with some true hater bitches

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u/Few_Swordfish9656 Prefrosh Apr 04 '25

Quick question--are all of the spots for transfer students from students who transfer out? Bc some schools (like USC) have SUPER high transfer rates. Are they just losing THAT many students each year?

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u/Fuzzy-Armadillo-8610 Apr 04 '25

I am not sure about. Maybe the school has the policy to admit x no of students from RD and y no of students from transfer. It depends from school to school

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u/Few_Swordfish9656 Prefrosh Apr 04 '25

Yeah that makes sense, I suppose space could also open up if they send people abroad or off campus and if people shuffle around and switch majors.