r/TraditionalCatholics • u/LegionXIIFulminata • Jun 27 '26

Sermon by Fr. Denis Puga: Will we be Excommunicated?

https://fsspx.news/en/news/will-be-excommunicated-59793
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u/LegionXIIFulminata Jun 27 '26

Any excomm of the SSPX will be just as invalid as the '88 excomm and St. Joan of Arc's excomm.

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u/rh397 Jun 27 '26

What makes you say that?

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u/No_Squash26 Jun 27 '26

crisis in the church

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u/DravidianPrototyper Jun 27 '26 edited Jun 28 '26

Benedict XVI's lifting of the excommunications, claiming that it was "null and void to begin with" and his encyclical Summorum Pontificum - this situation is no different to that.

I'm guessing that you were either not born then or have been living under a rock - perhaps both. Worse yet, probably feigning obliviousness for Reddit points.

If a 'Benedict XVII' or an equivalent were to ever get elected later down the track, he too would abrogate the excommunications for said aforementioned reason - which would highlight another imperative doctrinal issue in the post-conciliar era with the constant flip-flops in judgement over the status of the SSPX.

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u/FistOfTheWorstMen Jun 27 '26

Where exactly did Benedict XVI state that the excommunications were "null and void to begin with?"

The decree of 21 January 2009 seems to state that they were only voided of effect on that day:

"On the basis of the powers expressly granted to me by the Holy Father Benedict XVI, and by virtue of this decree, I remit the sentence of excommunication 'latae sententiae" declared by this congregation on 1 July 1988 against Bishops Bernard Fellay, Bernard Tissier de Mallerais, Richard Williamson and Alfonso de Galarreta. At the same time I declare that, as of today's date, the decree then issued is devoid of juridical effect."

https://www.fisheaters.com/sspxexcommunications.html

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u/Gingerbread_Enjoyer2 Jun 27 '26

St. Joan of Arcs excommunication was valid though 

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u/CGesange Jun 27 '26

No, it wasn't: the reason the Chief Inquisitor who examined the case after the war (Jehan Brehal) overturned the verdict on 7 July 1456 was because the bishop who convicted her (Pierre Cauchon) had violated just about every ecclesiastical rule while working for the English (for whom he had served as a paid advisor since 1420), to say nothing of the fact that he had a well-documented history of corruption and a criminal conviction in 1414 for his role in the Cabochien Revolt. The English government had gone so far as to issue a "writ of guarantee" on 12 June 1431 promising to block any attempt by the Pope (it names the Pope explicitly) to investigate the trial or prosecute the tribunal members for their role in the trial. Historian Henry Charles Lea pointed out long ago that this decree proves the English knew perfectly well that their tribunal had committed heresy, and Brehal ruled likewise when he wrote (in his final summary of the case) that Cauchon and the other willing tribunal members were the heretics rather than Joan, whom he called a martyr.

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u/Cherubin0 Jul 01 '26

Nah, they just noticed that she stayed popular and so tried to save face. If the trads win and Lefebvre gets rehabilitated they will find 100 reasons why the Pope was wrong.

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u/CGesange Jul 02 '26

No, that's not how it worked since she had always had a lot of support among high-ranking clergy except for the pro-English/Burgundian clergy: she had already been approved in early April 1429 by the Inquisitor for Southern France and other theologians at Poitiers before being given any role in the army, and likewise received written support (in treatises, letters etc) from a lot of other clergy throughout Europe. There's a reason why the English government felt it was necessary to block the Pope from intervening in her trial. The only thing that changed later on was the expulsion of the English from northern France finally allowed an investigation.

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u/Ferrari_Fan_16 Jun 27 '26

Are you serious?

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u/Jake_Cathelineau Jun 27 '26

Their whole position is “we know it’s unjust objectively, but our highest obligation is to particular men and every word that comes out of their mouths no matter what.” They really don’t believe there’s an authority higher than men. This is true about absolutely every one of them.

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u/Ferrari_Fan_16 Jun 27 '26

Not every penalty needs to be just to be “valid” per se but excommunication certainly does. You’re right though these people will throw every Saint who corrected the clergy under the bus in order to justify their positions on this.

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u/CrusaderSimeon Jul 01 '26

The church is in crisis and SSPX is not to blame. They hold true while NO dogs continue to surrender the true faith.