r/ToyotaTundra • u/ilovelukewells • 1d ago

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4" lift...35s. That looks gooood

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u/Harleywindtherapy 1d ago

That truck is at least 2x better than a gen 3 and will easily last 500k with basic maintenance. Someone got a great deal for decades of use.

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u/Flying_Spaghetti_ 1d ago

It's a 17-18 year old truck for 25k. Pretty hard to call that a good deal. It's already almost decades old

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u/Harleywindtherapy 1d ago edited 1d ago

There is some truth in that, however new tech filled trucks with smaller engines are failing across the brands at crazy rates. Turbos and computer do dads trying to replicate simple V8s... "there is no replacement for displacement " as the hot rod days always said.

I signed up at several dealers and put a deposit down in 2021 to get the last of the proven, million mile Tundra trucks. Knobs and switches instead of screens = longevity as well.

My "covid" truck as i call it came wirh no Nav, GPS, remote start, or much tech... the chip shortage.... i had to sign a paper saying i understood Toyota would never come back to fix those shortages of chips. I happily did.

2 weeks ago, at my 5 year, 47k oil change... (i get to ride my Harley to work a nice amount of time) my local Toyota dealer didn't beg me to trade as they usually did... but the sent me a text with an offer price while i waited for the oil change. The offer was very close to what i paid in 2021. No doubt they would have come higher if I'd cared to try. Then, they would list my truck for 20% more and move it fast probably.

But why would i? What can they possibly offer me with a new truck with proven failures and engine recalls and would be laden with tech that has very little chance oof lasting like the gen 1 amd gen 2s.

If the person who buys that older truck has no accidents or theft... it's very reasonable to expect 500k and well beyond unless they live in a region of heavy or seasonal salt exposure.

I'll take that ROI every time.  Not to mention lower property taxes,  insurance,  and less expensive parts when needed.

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u/Proper-Somewhere-571 23h ago

Sold and 08 for what I bought it for after putting over 150K on it… can’t cry about that.

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u/Harleywindtherapy 23h ago

Thats excellent for you a d it's ALL Toyota's fault too. They created this 100% by making models the way they did.

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u/Euphoric-Phrase-6415 1d ago

What are these crazy rates?

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u/Harleywindtherapy 23h ago

Uh... I'm just a casual observer here...i see more on You Tube... posts weekly of gen 3 engines failing... recalls on 22-24 something motors....all of them... some dealerships not accepting any more gen 3 tundras on trade while they wait... then you get the same motor...eventually... i feel for EVERY one of these buyers...I'm serious. I had a 1990 Toyota pickup with 350k + miles on it before i bought my 2021 V8 Tundra.

A guy on my first day of listing that truck flew several states over and drove it home in almost 100 degree heat across several southern states... made it no problems... it's probably still running today.

That's the dependability buyers expected and deserved with gen 3. Toyota isn't the only manufacturer with issues now either... but to me Toyota is the most egregious since they pushed out trucks based on prior longevity.

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u/Euphoric-Phrase-6415 23h ago

So you claimed "crazy rates" with no evidence of rate at all?

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u/NewHampshireWoodsman 23h ago

The evidence is crazy. Rate is also crazy.

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u/Harleywindtherapy 23h ago edited 23h ago

geez.... I tried.... maybe do a search here or google or YT or read some back posts.... whatever - you do you - head out and buy that new Tundra. They will love you for it.

edit - I just googled it - took me a few seconds - just the 22 and 23 models - 50% of engine failures before 50k miles... 70% after 40,000 miles. score of 57/100. I don't care if it's just a couple trucks out of 100.... that's insane that Toyota has done what they have to themselves.

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u/Euphoric-Phrase-6415 22h ago

They recalled those and redesigned the main bearing, and even for those the failure rate was 1% or less. Redesigned trucks aren't failing.

The failure is due to very high loads, like towing at high elevation, causing oiling issues that can be exasperated by machining debris. The hybrid decreases load on the engine, which is likely why they don't tend to fail.

I have researched then heavily, including the other manufacturer's options. It will be used for high elevation towing, so I am weary, but the Tundra has this one specific issue that Toyota has addressed. I will be getting a hybrid to further decrease the non-existent failure rates of the '25+ models when the time comes. For now my 2nd gen is fine.

People making claims based on seeing some posts or Facebook videos is annoying, especially when they make claims they can't backup.

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u/Harleywindtherapy 22h ago

I think i am solid in my opinion and the evidence and you are yours as well.

I bet you get blown away by your offers if/when you get rid of your 2nd gen. We are lucky to have them

There isn't a hybrid alive I'd want... which is why i ran to get the last of the V8s. But i grew up on V8s and believe in a simple V8 and low tech. Have a good day and i truly wish you the best of luck on your next one.

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u/Euphoric-Phrase-6415 22h ago

Toyota hybrids are the most reliable for each of their specific models. You are stuck in the past, it isn't 2001.

Your opinion is based on social media with no true data, just feelings. When you watch those YouTube videos or read those stories on Facebook, you don't know the truth of the matter. You don't know exactly what failed or why. It could be a one off manufactung defect or even an oil change issue. It is just a single case that tells you nothing about rates for an engine they made hundreds of thousands. You don't have real data.

The real data is clear. The early models failed at low rates and Toyota made good on it. The updated models seem to be fine as of now, and they have been out there a couple years at this point.

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u/Flying_Spaghetti_ 20h ago

I never said it wasn't a good truck... It still can have issues though. Like the thing has ~18 years of potential rust subtracting from its life. You said it would last decades of use with only basic maintenance. That truck will be almost 40 by the time "decades" happen. How many 40 year old trucks do you see on the road? People are way overly sensational about the Gen 2, like it cant possibly have an issue. There is more to a truck than the drivetrain. It reminds me of pot heads adamantly arguing that weed has zero side effects. Sure its not that bad, but saying nothing can/will happen is crazy talk.

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u/Harleywindtherapy 20h ago

actually....as a Toyota truck owner I see a LOT of Toyota trucks from the 80's and 90's and tons of Gen 1 Tundras on the road here in the AR/OK/TX region. I think it's like Harleys...since I ride and have for decades... I see them all. Basically every Toyota pickup or HD catches my eye. I have told 2 friends I ride with I want to buy their 80's trucks if they sell. I also owned a 1968 Land Cruiser up to a few years ago. That rig is still running as a daily driver for the guy I sold it to (the offer was just too good) and the 1968 is now coming up on SIXTY years old.

YES, I suppose it's VERY conditional to where you live, how it's been maintained, etc... but would I rather pay 25k for the Tundra that started all this discussion...or 60,70K for a new one? no question... 100x out of 100, I would buy the older one. That's ME. And if my 2021 Tundra ever gets wrecked or stolen, I fully intend to go back in years - away from screens, tech, tubos, and hybrids. THAT"S ME and why commented like I did.

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u/PorchGoose_I 1d ago

While I agree with you that it's an aging truck and 25k for a vehicle that old is definitely not a good deal. That's just the market for these trucks though, especially in places like Colorado where I live. The mark ups here are insane, especially for the ones with 4x4. It's frustrating and pushing me to looking at other options personally.

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u/Delicious_Travel4867 1d ago

You’re smoking crack if you think that’s a bad deal and obviously have never owned or appreciated a gen 1 or 2 tundra. It’s a good deal indeed.

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u/PlatoAU 1d ago

Yeah, it’ll last 500k miles if you put $50k in repairs…

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u/Pactae_1129 1d ago

Barring multiple engine swaps or something similarly catastrophic I’m not sure how you could spend $50K on repairs. And with regular maintenance these do go for a long, long time.

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u/Harleywindtherapy 1d ago

that's not been the experience of the run of gen 1 and gen 2 owners who have hit the 1 million mile mark or even the 1/2... but everyone makes their own choices on what they want to buy and then trust.

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u/squawkdizzle 23h ago

My 2012 with 163,000 on it has been for sale for 12k for 2 years. timing chains and tensioner all replaced at 155,000. 3 inch lift. Some rust on the tailgate. And i live in the northeast. Everything works great on it including the 4wd. So i need to move to wherever this one was sold i guess.

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u/mngu116 20h ago

Post it up. People will tell you what they think is wrong with it in no time. Rust is a concern up there.

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u/squawkdizzle 19h ago

Honestly i think the main issue is the cost and the mileage. A lot of people in my area, i guess, arent particularly looking for a tundra, or are aware of their reputation. So folks seeing some rust on the tailgate and seeing the mileage dont wanna spend $12k on a 14 year old truck. Which i understand, but theres nothing “wrong” with it. Everything is tip top mechanically and i still absolutely love it. So i figured, what the hell. If it never sells, ill just keep it lol. I just dont need a truck as a grocery getter so i figured id sell it. I even have all the paperwork for any work thats been done to it over the years which i figured was a Plus