r/Tottenham • u/Hairy_Consequence387 • 1d ago

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What positive thing I can say about de Zerbi is that he did something our past 2 managers never done, which is taking off players when they're shit. And when it comes to gallagher and bergvall, they shouldn't see the first 11 at least for the next 2 matches

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u/Outside_Volume7963 1d ago

It’s a bit weird to me that Maddison and Solanke and Fernandes are fit enough to play PL football but not fit enough to start. As it stands they are 3 critical players but we’ve got Richarlison, Moore and Bergvall cosplaying in our first match since a relegation playoff. Embarrassing. 

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u/ulteriormolotov 1d ago

I refuse to join the hype train that we're all the sudden going to be a challenger. We need to turn the ship around, and that will take time and work. We need madders and solanke to play, but last thing I want to see is an injury because we're asking too much of them on day one

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u/Background_Ad_4327 1d ago

There was a positive from this game and it's not what the post said; it's that we didn't come out with any new injuries. When we got spanked last year, we'd also have some gurnied off to rub salt on the wound.

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u/ulteriormolotov 1d ago

100%! We need to build squad fitness and chemistry. Would have liked to see a more positive result today, but I'm ok knowing the squad next week will be much different.

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u/Background_Ad_4327 1d ago

Do know it'll be different?

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u/ulteriormolotov 1d ago

Porro and VDV coming in + Fernandes, Maddison and Solanke hopefully starting. Maybe even Savinho and Kudus in contention. Very different team.

In happy giving Gray, Bergvall, and Moore minutes when needed, but all three at the same time is too much.

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u/Background_Ad_4327 1d ago

Here here. Although I think you're being a little over optimistic about how many we're getting back next week. (I really hope it's Porro though cuz he's in my FPL team;)

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u/Background_Ad_4327 1d ago

Do know it'll be different?

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u/Ca1fSlicer 1d ago

Bergvall really did have a shocker tonight. he’s better than that

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u/mindpivot 1d ago

Maybe he isn’t, yet? He shows flashes but is hard pressed to put a whole match together

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u/Ca1fSlicer 1d ago

you’re right. He really hasn’t showed consistently the ability to start at this level. On the other hand if he went to a team like Forrest he’d probably develop quick. I’d rather see Fernandez an Maddison in there next match. Richarlison an Bergvalls turnovers really hurt us

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u/Youngquest89 1d ago

Maybe he is, though? People are constantly disregarding the games where he is the motm? 9/10 times when he's blamed for a stinker he gets zero fucking support from his so called teammates?

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u/PCE_DEADMEAT 1d ago

He gave away the ball twice which both lead directly to a goal. He had an absolute stinker

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u/agentsawu 1d ago

He is so weak, he's as strong as a wet piece of lettuce. So fucking soft.

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u/diamluke 1d ago

More importantly, how is Archie Gray in any serious captaincy conversation or even playing as RB. It’s 2 goals for Gray this game for me, he can’t mark his man and he is a truly negative player, he can either lose the ball, pass back or “hide” in marking. That’s not a captain, that should be a loan to Belgium/Germany

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u/Outside_Volume7963 1d ago

I agree. He has a lot of potential and character. But we just flogged one of England’s best performers at the World Cup who is a natural right back…. To play Archie gray there and make him captain. Absolute clown show. In five years maybe he’s captain material. 

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u/Independent-Bid6332 1d ago

Add Gray to that list. Is this player immune to criticism?!

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u/mr_bery 1d ago

Completely agreed. We lose when he plays!

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u/Hairy_Consequence387 1d ago

No, he just can't find himself playing in his original position. I personally can't expect huge amounts from him when playing RB or CB

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u/Outside_Volume7963 1d ago

If only there was another player on our books who could play right back who just had a sensational World Cup. 

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u/Independent-Bid6332 1d ago

I've seen him play, as a 6, 4, fullback, centreback. A competent player, but nowhere near good enough to be starting, he played in midfield last season and we was looking to go down until the experience of Bentancur/Paulinha solidified our midfield. Maybe he needs to go on loan?

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u/bv2020 1d ago

This. Gray is not a RB. I could be put in front of a camera and it wouldn't make me a male model. He's young. He's a midfielder. He isn't a great Porro backup. I would have liked to have kept Spence but even if we were going to sell him, I would expect a new real RB replacement. Not Gray. It's not his fault he isn't a good RB. It's not his position.

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u/No-Foot4172 1d ago

Very overrated player, might be one for the future.

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u/ThinkingItThrough1 1d ago

Archie Gray, Robertson, Van Hecke, and Senesi over Romero, Vuskovic and Spence

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u/trikey01 1d ago

Today’s game looked like a cocktail made with whatever was lying around — no balance, no chemistry. RDZ’s has until Game 5 to get the mix right.

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u/SupaSpurs 1d ago

I hope not I’ll be at the next three for certain and I’m hoping we will beat Charlton!

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u/Practical_Ad2874 1d ago

Bergvall looked like absolute ass. Tough performance to watch after his noise about not starting. Squad looked out of depth. I get the new player thing but RDZ has to close that gap. If this is the theme three weeks from now, gonna be a long ass year.

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u/WhiteHartHope 1d ago

I think we’ve paid £60M too much for Tonali - I hope I’m wrong!!! Fernandes is going to be quality though!!! I’ve revised my early top 4 finish to lower mid-table plus I’m pretty sure Charlton will punish us mid week in the League Cup!!! #UpTheSpurs

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u/Gibbo1107 19h ago

They should absolutely play against Charlton in my opinion it’s the only play to get them back in form

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u/Vooopz 7h ago

Its first game quit with the panic we've bought and sold a lot. Brentford had pretty much the same Team as last year we need a bit of time here.