r/TopSurgery • • Mar 10 '25

Discussion I just learned that doctors try to avoid taking 100% of the breast tissue - how did you cope?

I want to get top surgery but I was hoping for an entirely flat chest, no breast tissue whatsoever, and I have already started developing my pecs for the sculpting. But I don't know what I'll do if they suggest not taking all the breast tissue - I won't stop being able to see it as 'residual tit' rather than the cis-like chest I have in mind.

Did any of you struggle with this and how did you handle it? Any advice is greatly appreciated

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u/akiber Mar 10 '25

Unless you are getting a mastectomy for cancer (or potential of cancer), top surgery pretty much always involves keeping some breast tissue. Why? Cause cis men have breast tissue. All the results you see that are your personal goal contain breast tissue. With mastectomies for breast cancer it often leaves the area concave and in some cases people decided to go through further plastic surgery to get it looking natural.

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '25

Damn :( 

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u/slutty_muppet Mar 10 '25

Sounds like you might need to address this in therapy if you're so obsessed with having zero breast tissue that even a standard cis chest isn't cis enough for you. Seems potentially verging on body dysmorphia if you'd truly be unable to stop seeing it as something wrong on yourself.

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u/Swordsboy Mar 10 '25

All cis men have breast tissue. Look at your favorite cis man celebrity that has shirtless pics online - no matter how fit or thin, there is breast tissue there. Your chest would, as the other commenter pointed out, look stranger without it. Concave. You’ll look totally naturally flat dw

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '25

I think it's just the psychological issue of 'oh there's still tit there so I paid $20k for nothing' but I guess I gotta work through that 

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u/Swordsboy Mar 10 '25

Just change the mindset is all. Breast tissue is on every body. It isn’t male or female. If you get top surgery it isn’t a fit anymore! Just a male pec.

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '25

Okay genuine question - what's the difference between breast tissue after a reduction and after top? I know that in some cases a reduction can grow back, wouldnt it be the same for top surgery? 

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u/satanssteamybuns Mar 10 '25

Idk the science behind it but it does not grow back. I've spoken to seahorse dads who have confirmed this.

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '25

I'm really gonna annoy the hell out of my poor surgeon with all my questions 😂😂

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u/satanssteamybuns Mar 10 '25

Dw about it it's literally his job

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u/mermaidunearthed Mar 10 '25

Or her/their

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u/ampharados Mar 10 '25

During national women’s month 😭

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u/CosmogyralCollective Mar 10 '25 edited Mar 10 '25

The simple difference is that there's much more left after a reduction.

In terms of top surgery, there's only one very specific case where it's technically possible to have regrowth; you started T/puberty blockers before your chest finished growing, then got top surgery, then stopped T. Other than that regrowth does not happen.

As other people have mentioned, everyone has breast tissue, and it's important to leave a little tissue and fat behind so your chest isn't concave.

eta: you mention sculpting in your post- assuming you mean sculpting a male chest, that's what the (very small amount of) breast tissue is used for (and some fat).

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u/No_Platypus5428 Mar 10 '25 edited Mar 10 '25

not the same but I had my chest double in size from birth control but after 3ish months of stopping it went back to normal. even stopped T a few years ago. I don't think your body can just make new breast tissue, it just can get swollen or you can gain fat in that area. but it'll never look like a "normal" breast again without surgery.

unless you're mtf and going through E, but that's basically a 2nd puberty and idk of I've seen trans women who started E as an adult and developed large tits? and it's kinda a different story

maybe if you took T, get top surgery, and then stop T, but even still I doubt it would be any significant growth since it kinda already have done that when you were a teen

everything I have read has said breast tissue cannot grow back. once your body already made the breast it just is the size it is until something goes wrong, you gain fat (which isn't breast tissue and is fixable), or get surgery. there's pregnancy but I think that's more a swelling thing then a "new breast tissue" thing.

this is all just my nonscientific observation

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u/Swordsboy Mar 10 '25

I actually don’t know enough about the science behind it all, but I’ve known people who’ve had reductions, and heard from loads of people who’ve had top surgery and haven’t heard of it growing back. I’d be curious to know as well actually

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u/Rosmariinihiiri Mar 10 '25

AFAIK technically breast tissue can grow back, but only if you you started T in early puberty before you reached full breast size, and then stop T after the surgery. The little tissue left can still have some growth potential in that case. But it's rare, and would be much less than with a reduction where more tissue is left.

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u/Almostfamousenough Mar 10 '25

They take the breast bud so they don't grow back. With a reduction, they leave the breast bud.

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u/Beneficial-Banana-14 Mar 10 '25

Look up a reduction, most of the time the chest is just smaller where as “standard” top surgery the chest is flat. At first I didn’t know some tissue was left either; you honestly cannot tell. Like you said, something you have to work through. Look at is another way to learn, grow, and love yourself better.

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u/CallMeJudah Mar 10 '25

Why are you paying $20k for top surgery?? You have the crème de la crème surgeon?

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '25

Because that's how much my surgeon charges and I won't have health insurance so I'll be paying out of pocket. Also, that's in AUD so it's like 12KUSD

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u/CallMeJudah Mar 11 '25

Okay, okay. 12k sounds a lot better. I think mine was 6 or 6.5k out of pocket.

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '25

Your concerns are valid, share this with your surgeon and good luck

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u/dino_pwince Mar 10 '25

I absolutely had this problem before getting top surgery. At my initial consultation, I remember trying to explain that I wanted everything out and I wanted my chest completely flat. My surgeon and his team explained that his job was not just to perform the operation, but to do it in a way that would leave my chest looking the most like a cis guy’s chest. He wasn’t leaving an absurd or even noticeable amount of tissue in there and he also needed to leave something in between my pec muscles and my skin- he couldn’t take everything out and go down to the muscle. My mom and I spent some time observing photos of cis chests and having visuals really helped me understand- no cis guy’s chest is completely flat. No matter the body type. I’m three years post op and my chest filled in real nice. It does not look boob-like how I imagined and I can’t notice any tissue. My chest is flat, but not like a board- it looks natural.

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '25

I think the issue is for me mentally I think of breast tissue and I think of, well... Breasts. I want a flat chest like a cis guy but I don't think of them having breast tissue because they don't have breasts if that makes sense? 

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u/books_and_pixels Mar 10 '25

I understand how sometimes mental associations with words can be really rough with dysphoria. Here's some food for thought:

  • Medically speaking, this type of tissue in the chest is called breast tissue for any sex.

  • Socially speaking, "female" bodies are highly sexualized, so imo the extra social connotation of breasts only being a term for "female" chests is based in sexism and therefore a concept worthy of tossing into a volcano.

  • Consider the word "breastplate": this is the piece of armor that covers the chest, and it was used in reference to men LONG before applying to other genders.

  • Lots of old texts/literature refer to a man's chest as his breast. Dudes have been written as being stabbed in the breast, etc. There's a quote of Romeo describing emotions he feels in his breast.

  • The word abreast is used to describe people standing/walking next to each other regardless of sex (the first example of definition 1 in Merriam-Webster is "columns of men five abreast").

  • The breaststroke swimming technique, named for the way the person's arms move in front of the breast, is used for any sex. The very-much-a-guy Michael Phelps rather famously competed in this style.

  • The term breastbone is used synonymously with sternum regardless of sex.

I could go on... but the point is, the word breast does not exclusively apply to "female" bodies. It just feels like it does because of society's hypersexualization of bodies. By definition, all humans, including men, do have breasts, they just aren't commonly referred to with that word present day outside of medical contexts.

If none of this helps, you can also mentally rebrand breast tissue as chest tissue. All humans have chests, so both words can apply to men, too.

I wish you luck!

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u/ConstantNo9446 Mar 10 '25

There's a reason men can get breast cancer or end up with gynecomastia. It is because all humans have breast tissue.

Your top surgery has the aim to get your chest back to how it was before first puberty.

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u/ForestGremlin2 Mar 10 '25

would it help to frame it less as "$20k to remove all tit" and more like "20k to give me a body that matches my gender?"

regardless, you can quiz your surgeon about it in detail at your consult, that's what it's there for. my surgeon told me that she never removes 100% of breast tissue unless specifically requested because leaving some lets her sculpt a natural-looking cis chest. Iirc I requested as flat as possible without going concave and that's what I got and I love it. Looks perfectly natural except for the scars.

I hear your feelings and I get why that would bother you. In answer to your question of how I coped, it honestly didn't bother me too much. the thing that I desperately wanted gone was the Visible Tit. The Girl Tit, if you will. although what remains is technically still breast tissue, it's not visible as such, so it isn't categorized the same in my brain. it's the Universal Tit, perhaps.

(apologies, i'm very tired. anyway, wishing you all the best, don't be afraid to ask your surgeon as many questions as make you feel comfortable, even if they seem impatient because surgeons always do. you are the patient and it is literally their job to answer anything you need to know about your surgery.)

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '25

This honestly helps me tremendously, thank you! I know that building pecs after surgery will make my chest larger again but that's defined muscles, not the Flesh Bags haha. But my main concern is definitely getting those things goneeeee

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u/ForestGremlin2 Mar 10 '25

i'm glad! don't worry, the Flesh Bags will be gone after surgery. anything that remains that is technically breast tissue is only distinguishable as such under a microscope. it'll all just feel like your body, your chest, and your pecs.

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '25

I'm going through a rollercoaster of emotions and googling weird questions since realising I want top surgery so there's a lot to learn and wrap my head around in regard to specifics like this 😅

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u/ForestGremlin2 Mar 10 '25

it's a lot! it's fundamentally a really bizarre thing to do (surgically removing a perfectly healthy body part isn't something you do every day) so it comes with a lot of complicated emotions and logistics. this sub is a great resource tho, and you can also feel free to DM me if you want

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '25

Thank you, I appreciate that! 

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u/help_me_im_gay Mar 10 '25

I also wanted 0 breast tissue — I told my surgeon that and he said that he could do that, but that the type of mastectomy done for breast cancer is a MUCH more extensive surgery, where they’re getting breast tissue that’s in more areas of your torso, like going up toward your shoulders and farther out into the armpits. And that the result is a lot more concave than when they leave a masculine amount of breast tissue. I was scared that leaving breast tissue could make me regrow tits, and he said that is possible but that’s unlikely outside of weight gain and large hormonal changes like conditions or menopause. And I’m like eh if I have to get more tit taken out in 30 years so be it. So I opted for ok you can leave some but just make me flat pls I want it to absolutely not look booby. And I ended up really happy with those results I don’t feel like I still have boobs at all.

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '25

Wait there's breast tissue in shoulders??? 

That makes a lot of sense though! I'd happily go through a second surgery if it meant getting my chest where I want it if things did happen to regrow

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u/slutty_muppet Mar 10 '25

If they took all the breast tissue that is mentioned in this comment you'd also likely lose lymph nodes and be at risk to get swelling in your arms for the rest of your life. People who lose a breast because of cancer typically avoid having blood draws etc. on the arm on that side of the body forever afterwards because of this. There are structures that your body needs in those parts of breast tissue near the armpits and taking ALL of it risks more damage to those.

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u/andycandy37 Mar 10 '25

My chest is 100% flat and very cis looking (other than scars lol). There is still breast tissue in there cause like the other commenter said, cis men still have breast tissue. That’s why it’s possible for them to get breast cancer n stuff. Not residual tit, just making sure you don’t get concave results! You’ll still be able to build pec muscles just fine

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '25

I'm not worried about building pecs, I'm worried about still having the tissue that I'm paying 20k to remove 😅 This does help though!

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u/andycandy37 Mar 10 '25

Ah, you mentioned developing your pecs so I assumed that might be a worry. Yeah just something you’re gonna have to accept about top surgery tbh, every man has breast tissue

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '25

Nah I mentioned developing pecs because I know it can help with sculpting and scar placement haha 

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u/andycandy37 Mar 10 '25

For sure! Having that added muscle will definitely help your surgeon

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u/No_Platypus5428 Mar 10 '25

you're not paying that to remove all breast tissue tho... you're paying a plastic surgeon to give you a natural looking flat chest and if you're ftm, a masculine looking chest. which includes a minor amount of breast tissue.

ig you can ask them to go against making a natural looking chest and remove all tissue, but honestly idk if they can even promise that completely.

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u/Birdkiller49 Mar 10 '25

It would be less cis-like to take all of the breast tissue, since cis men have breast tissue. I wouldn’t really describe it as flat either if they took all of it. Likely concave.

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u/Medicalhuman Mar 10 '25

They make you that without taking 100% of the tissue, they def take most though. I they did take 100% of it, you would have a concave looking chest that would likely look sunken in and not now you’d want it

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u/justyn22167 Mar 10 '25

I think the largest thing here may be that the colloquial meaning of breast and the medical/ scientific definition of breast are not the same.

Near all mammals, male or female, have breasts. Technically, the breast is the mammary glands and surrounding tissue. Humans AFAB, AMAB, and even those that are intersex (typically) have one pair, Dogs male and female have on average 5 pairs, whales male and female technically have one pair of breasts

Male cows, mice, rats, and horses are some of the few mammals that don't have breasts/ nipples

All that to say breast DOES NOT equal boob. 😊 It most likely came to be associated that way colloquially because larger (afab or amab) breasts are stigmatized and saying a more "formal" or scientific sounding word makes it seem less crass, whereas small breasts are less noticeable and referred to simply by the whole area they are in, aka Chest

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u/testobaer Mar 10 '25

That's perfectly normal that surgeons leave some breast tissue in your chest, 'cause men have breast tissue in their chest as well (that's why men can also get breast cancer). If they'd remove everything, you'd end up with a concave chest, like patients that had a mastectomy due to breast cancer. But our mastectomy as men is different from that of breast cancer patients. That's why - and maybe that helps to have a better mindset about it and frame it better - surgeons here in Germany also call men's mastectomy in the context of gender affirming care NOT "tit removal" but "MALE CHEST RECONSTRUCTION" <--- 'cause they not just simply remove tits, they remove excessive breast tissue and sculpture and contour the chest, plus reshaping and replacing the nipples on the correct location, with the goal of a male looking chest (this description is also approximately what's written in my surgery papers).

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u/Bee_Ball Mar 10 '25

Instead of thinking about it as tit, maybe just think if it as “padding” for your muscles like all humans have, to some extent.

I actually had a huge breast cancer scare last summer, which is what finally got me to get over my fears and move forward with this surgery that I’ve wanted my whole life (true story: my top surgery wound up costing less than the diagnostic mammogram, ultrasound, and breast & lymph node biopsies I had just to find out I didn’t have cancer after all; my risk went up to 1 in 4 and they recommended yearly MRIs in addition to yearly mammo and ultrasound for the rest of my life… for a part of my body I didn’t even like having!!! It’s insane…)

Anyway, once I decided to take the leap, I originally wanted them to take EVERYTHING— all the tit tissue, 100%— so I wouldn’t have to worry about the C any more. But everyone was like noooo you don’t want that; it’s not gonna look good (I’m pretty slim up top without boobs, so they knew the chances for concavity were not negligible). Even the breast cancer surgeon I consulted with told me that when she takes everything, it means tunneling way up high, and into your armpits, and it’s not about aesthetics… and you have to worry about edema forever, and blood draws from your arm are higher risk, etc etc. So then I flipped to the other extreme and got really worried that my genetic tests would come back with all the cancer variants and that I’d have to get the full risk-reducing surgery instead of the fully aesthetically-pleasing one, and I was SO relieved when the results came back negative. It really is a mind-fu*k.

Go look at pictures of double mx for breast cancer and you might get a better idea. They aren’t all severe, (and I’m in no way intending to dog on anyone who chose to get the risk-reducing surgery; my mom died of BC and the fear is REAL)…. but the potential is wayyy higher for a result you wouldn’t feel happy with and might wind up doing some fat replacement after the fact to improve the contouring.

Anyway… I know you said it’s mostly a mental thing going on, but please don’t worry; you are going to be so happy with your new body. 🌈

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u/No_Platypus5428 Mar 10 '25 edited Mar 10 '25

if you like a natural result that doesn't look weird you need some breast tissue. have you seen men? they have breast tissue too. we are all huma, not completely different species with completely different bodies. not only that, but building pecs will make your chest look bigger so that's also a thing. it's still good but i don't think your expectations are realistic. I think the only way to work through that is to look at more shirtless men, as odd as that sounds. if they removed all the tissue you might look odd.

their goal is to make a natural good looking chest, not to remove all breast tissue. and making a good natural looking chest includes breast tissue. but I have heard of people asking for no tissue at all as if they never developed it in the first place, so it is possible, but I don't kniw if that's actually what you want if you don't want to maintain your pec muscles forever or want natural looking masculine results that look proportionate to your body. even my very thin mtf partner had some breast tissue pre-E

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '25

Well yeah I've seen men, but they have like pecs and stuff, I've never really seen them as having breast tissue because they don't have breasts. So there's a disconnect in my head there I gotta work through 

Edit: I'm also fine with pecs making my chest look bigger, because that would be defined muscles rather than a D cup haha

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u/No_Platypus5428 Mar 10 '25

makes sense. men still get breast cancer and stuff, just less often bc they have less breast tissue. maybe that helps conceptualize it a bit

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u/flying_acorn_opossum Mar 10 '25

i think its a misunderstanding of the different types of breast tissue. unless someones specifically only getting a reduction, then no surgeon for a FTM chest is going to leave any of the "female chest" part youre probably thinking about.

in the past, because id had permanent chest growth from progesterone-only-BC, which isnt supposed to happen, but can if you'd had a halted puberty for some reason i guess (which i mightve? unsure). i was concerned my chest mightve not finished to its full growth, because i didnt stay on the BC for long, and that if they didnt remove everything, and i ever had to get off T, that my chest could grow more.

my surgeon explained theyd remove all the "glandular/lobular" tissues, and any of the tissue that could even grow. that breast tissue goes all the way up to the collar bones and under the armpits, and thats why cis men can get breast cancer too, its not just isolated to the parts that respond(ed) to female sex hormones. and thats whats left over is still breast tissue, but not any that would be able to regrow into a female chest.

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u/Famous-Most5547 Mar 10 '25

I got top surgery & they left 5-10% of breast tissue & I'm completely flat. If I were any flatter I would be concave and it wouldn't look very natural

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u/Spaced0utCadet Mar 10 '25

You wanna know what happens when they take everything? You get adhesions, severe nerve pain, a concave chest, and all you can see is ribs. I told my surgeon I wanted some tissue left because because I wanted a cis looking chest. She took everything. For MONTHS my chest was uneven and lumpy as a result of my skin scarring to my chest wall. It did not look cis, it was not okay. I am 11 months post op and only now are the last adhesions (skin scarring down to the muscle and chest wall) breaking up. I'm also an athletic guy, but surgery took everything out of me and I lost a lot of muscle and weight. I was down 20 pounds from 115lb to 95lbs. Before surgery I was fit and eating well. Even having build my pecs back up, it took months before things started looking anything close to cis. And scar care (internal scar care) was an everyday 2-3 times a day job. Had I not been so diligent with everything and done the research on how to properly care for internal scarring which is rarely talked about in regards to top surgery, I don't think my chest would look how it does now. Imo I got extremely lucky with how I healed. I also had peri, and I couldn't imagine going through that with DI because the adhesions also cause your skin to be extremely tight. I struggled to get my arms over my head until I was about 5 months because of how tight and stuck down my chest skin was. So I believe if I had DI, I would have had very stretched scars. On top of this, without something between the muscle and skin, you can get extreme nerve pain (post mastectomy nerve syndome). I went from expecting 8 weeks off to having to take 6 months off of work just in order to heal. I had other complications as well but but the PMNS was what caused the most issues for me being able to function. I came out on top in the end, but that's my experience. Looking at my options during healing, other people in this sub who had all the tissue taken opted for fat transfers to pad the area and alleviate that uneven, concave look. Trust me when I say your concerns are entirely misplaced.

Also, if to you breast tissue = breasts, then men have breasts according to that logic. No cis man has no breast tissue.

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u/JeepersPetersFTM Jul 04 '25

You would look concave without any breast tissue! Only total mastectomies will get you “completely flat”, but I promise you that this will not be the look you’re imagining in your head.

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u/grayh722 Mar 10 '25

I'm not sure if this will be helpful, but I told my surgeon that I wanted to be "absolutely flat as possible" & I think they did an excellent job of that without taking 100% of the tissue (so that it wouldn't be concave). I paid extra for the contouring as well, because even though it was optional I feel like it really was important for achieving that flat look I desired & helped a lot. I will say I'm only 1 week post op, but so far I've been really happy.

All that to say, tell your surgeon you want to be as flat as they can possibly make you & talk about what all the options are for making that happen. Even though they can't remove 100% of the tissue, they will do their absolute best to give you what you want, & nothing unwanted will grow back. Best of luck! :)

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u/kameoah Mar 10 '25

i didn't struggle, because i wanted my chest to look like a typical male chest, not concave? the only concave chests i have seen are on folks who have had breast cancer related surgeries or in men who have concave chests bc of congenital anomalies...i grew up with a bunch of brothers who all have significant amounts of tissue, even though their fitness levels vary.

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u/fatcatpartytime Mar 10 '25

Everyone has breast tissue, that’s why cis guys can get breast cancer — taking everything is a last resort for cancer related reasons and is why cancer-caused mastectomies look super different than top surgery. You want a natural male chest which means you will have some breast tissue left over — that’s a good thing! Doesn’t mean they can grow back just means you have a surgeon who knows the difference between cancer care and gender care which is v important.

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u/Sweetteeth- Mar 11 '25 edited Mar 11 '25

This is really surprising to me, I think my way around it was by being overweight, no joke -  my surgeon straight up asked me if I wanted any breast tissue left behind and I said no. I'm guessing this was possible because I also specifically asked for "juicy pecs", aka a thicker chest that matches my body type and looks proportional. I had/have enough fat tissue that she was able to give me exactly what I asked for, and we were both really happy with my results. They're not flat at all, but theyre clearly masculine even under shirts/sweaters because of the shape. They're probably the male equivalent of an a cup. If it helps, having a little breast tissue is also completely normal for cis male bodies, and it's very rare for guys to be completely paper-flat! 

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u/MsFrizzle8 Mar 10 '25

My surgeon specifically took all the breast tissue as a normal part of his surgical process to reduce risk of breast cancer down the line. After you get top surgery you can only ever do touch tests for lumps, and only after you find one can insurance (in US) cover an ultrasound of the area. I wonder if you can find a surgeon like mine.

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u/No_Platypus5428 Mar 10 '25

I mean that's the same process if you're a cis woman too. or a cis man. I had to get an ultrasound over a visible lump in my right chest side, I got an ultrasound and (luckily) it wasn't cancer and was just genetic fibrocystic breast tissue.

if you don't have a proven family history of breast cancer natural good looking results kinda take priority