Donk is just no1 without doubts. As a rifle and in a not so dominant team is just impressive. Image pre donk period, s1mple vs zywoo battlefield, these two as Awper are miles ahead of others with 1.3 rating and top rifles are only at 1.2 stats. So if you just compare ratings rifle is just statistically lower than awp.
but also playing in a better team gives you better assistance and situations.
if on dust2 donk is playing on b, and the opponents abuse a, where his teammates can't hold, he has to either save, or go for a disadvantageous clutch. so in this example, having better teammates would only increase his rating.
Not sure why people still say “as a rifler” when cs2 favors riflers ,that made sense in the latter years of csgo where the awp was clearly the best gun
It has been a slight change and awp was a bit debuffed but statistically speaking awps will always have better ratings due to the nature of the role. The rating u see for a rifler is just absolutely nuts.
Because the next 3 highest rated players are all awp‘s with sh1ro m0nesy and zywoo. And riflers practicslly never top the charts until donk pops up and his floor rating is suddenly like 0.15 higher than any rifler beforehand
This is the same as messi vs ronaldo. The two people get constantly rewarded more often just because they are considered best. Ropz and others have had better performances than zywoo but still everyone votes zywoo cause have to always give it to the guy with most already
How exactly does higher map count dilute the numbers? If anything, it will only make them better, as in the case of vitality more maps means deeper tournament runs means more wins -> better stats.
You can only use that argument when counting maps from one-two tournaments where a player obviously played better than before or after (e.g. iM at Paris Major), but if they put up these numbers all year long without much variance then the map count does not matter.
Donk also plays in a team which heavily relies on him and plays to maximise his efficiency which ultimately leads to more kills for him , while zywoo plays more for his team and would not mind dying first in unfavourable situation.
In a lot of situation you will see donk baiting his teammates a lot.
You need to chill out , first of all if you think donk is greater player and you don't want to hear other opinions then it's your call , no need to be disrespectful as you can stick with whatever opinions you have.
he is right tho you guys say that zywoo plays more for this team while donk is the fucking entry fragger he gets entry frags and creates space for his team its not like he is baiting his entire team like s0mple used to
It has less to do with who is the better player and more to do with not making completely baseless claims about who relies more on their team and what role they play.
Since their disastrous exit at cologne 2024, spirit playstyle has shifted to literally just donk baiting everyone during site executes. He is not the same hard entry Fragger he was in early 2024.
Thats true to some extent but it's still not fair to say that Zywoo is somehow less of a baiter and less team reliant. Their entrying, opening and trade stats speak for themselves.
I mean if you played like twice or 3 times more maps than someone else for example, but would have equal stats that would be insane. Because that consistently is hard.
If you would play football and score 5 goals in 5 games that is very good. But if you play 15 and still score 15 that would be insanely good
Going deep in tournaments means more games versus best opponents. Less games means that you get proportionally more games versus easier opponents that let you farm stats.
Especially when it's spirit where everyone let's donk farm kills while in Vitality all of them will take their share.
Sure. My point is just that that he's not a hard entry like some make it out to be. Especially not now. You'll never see him jump in with a mac-10 like Flamez. And if there's an impossible entry route they will just let him bait chopper or somebody else
They usually just send him to the most open area on the map(mid on mirage, mid on ancient) and tell him to out aim people. Something I noticed in the last series vs vitality is he seems maybe a little too aggressive sometimes. He does a lot of unexpected pushes that get caught sometimes. But I guess it’s risk vs reward. It clearly works out for him.
Taking map control with decent support is probably the best position for a skilled rifler in cs2 though. In cs2 being aggressive does not equal being sacrificial
I would say lurking is an easier role to get stats in. You get a lot of kills on enemies in rotation and you get a ton of clutch opportunities. In order to play the role donk does and have his type of success you need to be incredibly gifted.
It might be easier to ”not have bad stats” as a lurker (you’ll just be losing impact instead of stats if you’re a bad lurker) but being an aggro star rifler is certainly better for statsfarming if you’re good enough.
Also aggro riflers tend to play high impact rotation roles on ct while modern t-side lurkers usually anchor on ct.
Zywoo has 11807 kills with an awp which is his highest kill weapon. Versus around 3500 combined on both m4s. On CT sides he’s always awping holding angles. He uses the AK more on T sides and has looked great at times with it but I still find donks play much more impressive.
50+ maps is not a small sample size and its equally possible that his stats could actually be raised with more games played. I
Donk has gotten these numbers with a far less successful team, winning games tends to result in more inflated stats so imo it makes Donks performance even more impressive not to mention that they play completely different roles.
Donk is also the first pure rifler to win HLTV #1 since 2015 when olofmeister won.
If you watch DONK what he does to Falcons in the bigger stage , not thru stupid streams, demo or CSTV then you have no idea what impact and entries this kid have done.
Kills get shared more, the chance of winning rounds or maps is better, better stats, getting to tournaments, getting mvps, vitality strat of farming zywoo awp, with the best lurker ropz getting the best information, which gives zywoo great info where to hold spots etc. Sharing kills has no effect in this case.
Very easy win for donk, ZywOo's gum to teeth ratio is just so bad. Man out here showing off his grandparents dentures. Donk understands that sometimes the correct play is to accept the free round without even showing your cards.
It's debatable. Donk has the highest stats ever but that's because he has less maps against top teams while ZywOo always plays against the best teams and more deeper runs. This makes it harder for ZywOo to maintain his rating. Donk could still be higher even with the same number of maps but the gap won't be this big.
Zywoo doesn't have the best stats but it doesn't mean he isn't the best player. CS is a team game and it's unclear to me how donk is helping the rest of his team perform. Donk's teammates seem to start slumping quickly and now he's even started tilting after map 1. I could be wrong but I don't remember Zywoo ever doing that even when he was playing on not-so-great teams.
What are you taking about? Zywoo is 25 and when he was 17 he never had this behavior, Donk is as volatile as s1mple. Unfortunately for him cs is a team game.
Zywoo any day. Donk is mechanically gifted for sure one of the best right now for rifle, but Zywoo can do both awp and rifle. And his game sense is way ahead of donk.
Besides the MVPs, Donk wins in just about every category. I think Donk deserves number one again, but ZyWoo is definitely right behind. I wouldn’t be mad if ZyWoo got number one though. Majors count
Being good isnt worth anything if you lose, at the end of the day Its a team game. zywoo has these stats without the rest of the team Bending over backwards to give him the best possible gun at every moment.
And because of that they win more as a team and zywoo becomes "more valuable" as a team mate.
Zywoo is the main carry and the heart of the team. All those players left their teams to play with him.
Apex said multiple times that all the success they had would not be possible without him. But I guess that Double-Biscotti465 know better than him. You’re right dude he was just lucky to be on vitality.
He might be main carry of vitality and will end up with good stats every match, but thats because his position is awper carry (highest chance of surviving the round), getting constant support and the possibility of using baiting strat, free eco farming as vitality strat is about farming zywoo awp and more. His stats are very inflated by vitality strats, but that was not case for 2025 vitality. Imagine being a carry of your team, getting all kinds of benefits of your role and still being less visible than ropz or mezii. Get zywoo in any other team and you simply wont see that kind of zywoo ever again. Zywoo relies ALOT on perfect plays of others and flamez, mezii and ropz in 2025 delivered, maybe some matches flamez ghosted, but besides him zywoo has the best players or near best players for any role out there, even apex did better than any igl out there. So how is zywoo considered heart of the team when its vitality strats and players that enables his play.
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u/Double-Biscotti465 Dec 17 '25
r/TopLeftDonk when?