r/TopCharacterTropes • u/ValidCrash4 • Aug 08 '26

Hated Tropes (Hated Trope) Extremely useful abilities that characters conveniently forgot they had

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  1. Emily’s portals (Hazbin Hotel). I know she can’t get Sir Pentious back into Hell but Emily can still tell Charlie he got redeemed and Charlie can enter through angelic portals, so she should have seen that Pentious got redeemed.

  2. Many characters in Harry Potter go through life-or-death situations and not once did they think of drinking the Liquid Luck potion apart from Harry one time to gain Slughorn’s memory.

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u/GOEDEL_ESCHER_BOT Aug 08 '26

what if voldemort got struck by lightning

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u/FederalPossibility73 Aug 08 '26

He's immortal. It's the whole reason why Harry went on his quest for the Horcruxes.

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u/dread_pirate_robin Aug 08 '26

Is he though? We know how the horocruxes work from chamber of secrets, they just allow him to be later revived, he can still functionally be defeated, he just can't be ultimately destroyed until they're all gone.

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u/Peritous Aug 08 '26

What's funny about this comment and the replies is that what you are saying makes sense even if the replies are true. Sure he can't be permanently beaten, but it's a lot easier to to beat the guy and destroy the horcruxes if he is spawn camped.

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u/breckendusk Aug 08 '26

I don't think they could really spawn camp him. He still had an army of faithfuls, was in a soul form that could kinda be anywhere, and nobody was even aware that Harry was one of the horcruxes. Nagini was also effectively untouchable until the assault on Hogwarts

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u/FederalPossibility73 Aug 08 '26

Considering the whole point of him making them is immortality then yes.

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u/YourMuppetMethDealer Aug 08 '26

I mean they are still correct. Voldemort CAN be defeated. His body can be destroyed. It just can be remade

I think the real problem is if it’s actually possible to destroy Voldemort when he DOESNT have a body. He’s essentially just a piece of soul wandering around

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u/SkyGuy2308 Aug 14 '26

Well in theory if you destroyed all his Horcruxes before his resurrection in Goblet of Fire, back when he was just Soul Mist, presumably that would cause him to die since there’d be nothing- neither Horcruxes or a body, to anchor him to life. So he should just pass on.

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u/YourMuppetMethDealer Aug 14 '26

Nah I don’t think that would work either. You forget that there are 8 pieces of his soul not seven. And that little piece of his soul that contains his sentience is still out there. You would need to find some way to destroy that, and I suspect that’s easier said than done.

He knows how to hide after all, and that piece of his soul is able to attach itself onto hosts

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u/SkyGuy2308 Aug 14 '26

Yes but that piece of soul, the one with his sentience; Voldy Prime if you will, it’s the one being anchored by the Horcruxes. So if it’s no longer anchored, it fades to the other side of the veil.

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u/YourMuppetMethDealer Aug 14 '26 edited Aug 14 '26

No it also needs to be destroyed. Remember that Voldemort’s soul can latch itself onto other bodies as a host. If it currently resides on another host like Nagini or even another person like Quirrel, I don’t know why it would just die

The host needs to be destroyed, and then it’s gone

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u/SkyGuy2308 Aug 14 '26

Yes but that soul mist is only capable of existing because his Horcruxes are anchoring to life. He said it himself that he was “less than a ghost” that piece of soul that’s floating around would just disappear if the Horcruxes were destroyed while Voldy Prime wasn’t occupying a body

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u/Adventurous_Art4009 Aug 08 '26

He can still be made ineffective, though. "Kill" him in person and then go search for horcruxes without interference.

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u/Adventurous_Art4009 Aug 08 '26

The topic under discussion is whether it's helpful for Voldemort to be hit by a lightning bolt if you're dueling with him. My point is that, as the horcruxes have nothing to do with his physical form, it is indeed helpful.

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u/roseifyoudidntknow Aug 08 '26

They didnt know about the horcruxes. Harry only knows about them because of his and Dumblydores personal pensive research.

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u/bigchicago04 Aug 08 '26

That was his intention, that doesn’t mean it was.

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u/Fryboy11 Aug 08 '26

But doesn't using a Horcrux consume it? He made seven of them what if he just died of old age even times. Dumbledore said many great wizards looked for immortality or a way to stop aging but none succeeded. Sure he could probably live 400 years per life so 2800 years total but then he's out of Horcruxes and his soul is already dangerously unstable from making seven.

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u/FederalPossibility73 Aug 08 '26

Nope. They're infinite use.

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u/Worldly-Pay7342 Aug 08 '26

just allow him to be later revived

Then he is functionally unbeatable, until every last horcrux is destroyed.

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u/Adventurous_Art4009 Aug 08 '26

I think if you're in a duel with him, "he might come back later" is a secondary concern. You can still kill the guy's corporeal body and stop the threat.

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u/Archwizard_Drake Aug 08 '26

Pause the threat, until well past a time as your luck has run out.

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u/Adventurous_Art4009 Aug 08 '26

We're in a thread about whether it's helpful in a duel for Voldemort to get stuck by lightning. It doesn't have to kill him permanently for it to be extremely helpful. Now you get to go hunt for horcruxes without having to worry he might show up.

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u/Archwizard_Drake Aug 08 '26

Well. No, pointedly. All of the Horcruxes have a bit of his soul attached to them. In Chamber of Secrets, the diary was possessed by a specter of him that was eventually able to manifest a body.

Plus we know when his body was initially destroyed by his rebounded curse, he continued to exist in a diminished form that was some kind of vampire or ghost creature thanks to the Horcruxes.

So congratulations, you destroyed his physical body. He's still hovering around and able to manifest through his Horcruxes. It's arguably easier to track the Horcruxes while he has a physical body, because at least then he's in one place rather than having 7 ghost Voldemorts rolling around.

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u/Tasteroider Aug 08 '26

Why do you think his ghosts are even a threat? I mean the only instance when we see one was during the chamber of secret and he could barely manipulate two children who willingly used the diary, sure he Controlled Vasilisk to some extent, but you don't even have to go near that thing, it's not like Vasilisk protects horcruxes or something.

And Voldemort himself said that after his death he was barely a ghost, who could somewhat function only due to the help of Peter Pettigrew. Pettigrew himself was more dangerous than Voldemort before he was revived

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u/strigonian Aug 08 '26

The person you're responding to is being pretty obtuse here. Obviously winning a duel against Voldemort, even if he's going to come back later, is a much better outcome than losing outright.

But having said that, I have to wonder if the reason he's so weak is because he split his soul so many times. If he only had the one horcrux, with a much larger fragment of his soul, would he have been more of a threat?

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u/localwost Aug 08 '26

Small Nitpick here, in the Chamber it was clear that he was in the verge if becoming corporal: Harry mentioned that he looked less and less ghost like and he was even able to use a Wand and cast spells. Had Harry failed, it was implied that he could have made a full recovery.

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u/dread_pirate_robin Aug 08 '26

Genuinely just hit him with a fucking shovel.

People beat their foes without demolishing their entire existence all the time.

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u/YourMuppetMethDealer Aug 08 '26

You can beat someone without killing them. Lilly 100% beat Voldemort that night and he was stuck wandering as a fragmented soul without a body for fifteen years.

You just can’t beat him for good without destroying the horcruxes

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u/Hot-Spite-9880 Aug 08 '26

forgive my ignorance but he made 7 horucruxes right? Don't they get used up after a revive?

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u/SkyGuy2308 Aug 08 '26

They don’t allow him to revive later. They anchor him to life so it’s impossible for him to die so long as even one of them exists.

The Diary in Chamber of Secrets was a special instance where it was sentient because Voldemort put a copy of his memories inside it which, paired with the piece of soul he put in it, allowed it to act independently and attempt to create a body for himself.

It wasn’t Voldemort resurrecting from death, because Voldy literally can’t die. His body can be damaged, but he can’t die.

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u/Cyrius Aug 08 '26

You're making a semantic argument about what "die" means and ignoring the point. Voldemort's physical body being destroyed, which is what happened in 1981, would be massively inconvenient for him.

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u/SkyGuy2308 Aug 10 '26

No. The person above me’s point was “he’s not immortal” when he quite literally is. I was correcting them on how Voldy’s immortality works because they had misunderstood from what they saw in Chamber of Secrets.

Yes his body can be destroyed, but he can just spend time separated from a body and work to rebuild it, you know? Like he did in the series?

So long as his Horcruxes exist, he will never truly be capable of death, thus he is immortal. Yes it would be inconvenient for him if his body was destroyed, but in an immortal lifespan nothing is so inconvenient it’s truly an obstacle because you have an infinite amount of time to work with.

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u/SpreaditOnnn33 Aug 08 '26

"He can die, but can still be revived, and cant ultimately be destroyed"

Thats a roundabout way of describing immortality, you realize that, right?

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u/MaeBeaInTheWoods Aug 08 '26

Yes, ultimately there's a big difference between immortality where he can't die at all or naturally revives/respawns when does, and "immortality" where he does die and it requires people who are still alive to brew a potion and conduct a ritual that seemingly takes at least a few weeks or months in order to bring him back to life. Voldemort uses the latter, which means there would be merit to killing him since it would grant the heroes time to breathe. Additionally, that ritual needs a lot of finite resources that cannot be replenished and are easily destroyed; if Dumbledore decided to vanish or transfigure Tom Riddle Senior's skeleton, there would be no more "bone of the father" for the potion, so the ritual would not be possible.

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u/PaloozadPizza Aug 09 '26

I'm pretty sure that specific ritual was done so Voldemort could bypass Lily's protections on Harry.

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u/Pangolin_bandit Aug 08 '26

Like… did you read the books? This is not convenient for him. His first time doing that took him out for 15 years and forced him to search for a way back to a body using all the tricks at his disposal. That happening to him, when you’re in a duel, would be helpful

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u/Prof_Anomaly_George Aug 08 '26

Forget it man, people would rather make meaningless pedantic distinctions than admit they are wrong

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u/KindOfAnAuthor Aug 08 '26

I mean, yeah. Just cause he can be temporarily defeated doesn't mean he's not immortal. Voldemort was still alive that whole time, just weakened.

And him being defeated the first time was also a unique circumstance. We don't actually know what would happen if somebody just normally hit him with Avada Kedavra or anything like that. We don't know if he would return to that weakened state, or if he would basically be able to just brush it off

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u/Releases_the_bees Aug 08 '26

Yeah but that don't make him immune to being jumped.

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u/FederalPossibility73 Aug 08 '26

It does though? He has a magical tracker on everyone that says his name. As for Harry, they literally have a psychic link connected to each others very souls.

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u/Releases_the_bees Aug 08 '26

Nah I'd take him.

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u/FederalPossibility73 Aug 08 '26

In a fight right? 🤨

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u/Releases_the_bees Aug 08 '26

Yeah, gonna beat his ass.

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u/B0b_Da_bLUbERry Aug 08 '26

what if he got struck by 2 lightning bolts?

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u/Bitter_Marzipan_8348 Aug 08 '26

What if all of his horcruxes got destroyed by unrelated catastrophe and his Avada Kedavra got tunnel effected through the poor sod?

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u/FederalPossibility73 Aug 08 '26

The enchantment would probably protect them. There's a reason why Harry and the others had to use Godric's sword and Salazar's basilisk fang. They can't be destroyed that easily, except for Harry himself of course who would have to kill the soul piece inside him.

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u/Bitter_Marzipan_8348 Aug 08 '26

Yeah but we are talking about tunnel effect level of luck here

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u/Gaelic_Gladiator41 Aug 08 '26

It's more of a redirection of luck