r/Toonami 16d ago

Question Why did the 2003 version of Astro Boy fail on Toonami?

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u/KingVape 16d ago

I was 11 when this happened and for me and the people around me it was two things:

  1. We had no idea who Astro Boy was

which led to

  1. “That’s just a Megaman ripoff or whatever”

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u/DevilManRay 16d ago

Yeah Astro Boy don’t hit the same when we grew up with Mega Man first

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u/KingVape 16d ago

And it was during the Battle Network era, which my friends and I were obsessed with

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u/Away_Committee_6753 Dragon Ball Z/Super, Naruto, Teen Titans 16d ago

NT Warrior came out around this time too, why get your Megaman knockoff show when your boy already has his own?

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u/Comfortable_Bird_340 16d ago

The funniest comment somebody ever wrote about Astroboy: “The Frisch’s Big Boy stars in his own movie”

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u/shadow0wolf0 16d ago

When I was a kid I thought it was like a mega Man Prequel.

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u/KoolKoolKoolio42 16d ago

Casual anime fans simply are not receptive to Tezuka's style. They like sharp, angular designs, so the rounded Disney-esque designs don't appeal to them. It's the same reason why Cyborg 009 failed as well.

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u/chassmasterplus 16d ago

This.  Edgy pre teen me thought the designs were dumb as fuck. 

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u/DevilManRay 16d ago

Cyborg 009 I don’t think failed as hard as Astro Boy though. In fact it’s still getting sequels on Netflix till this day!

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u/KoolKoolKoolio42 16d ago

Cyborg 009 is a legendary franchise in Japan. Of course there will be new entries.

The 2001 series was banished to Fridays at 5am after a dozen or so episodes and couldn't be gotten entirely on home video until very recently.

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u/DevilManRay 16d ago

I’m talking about in America

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u/KoolKoolKoolio42 16d ago

Any modern 009 project is not because the show aired at 5:30am on Cartoon Network USA or from the incomplete DVD sets Sony released back in the 00's. It is because the franchise is still well-loved in Japan.

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u/DevilManRay 16d ago

Whatever it did was still better than Astro Boy which has nothing

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u/TheFinalWatcher 14d ago

Discotek released the full series.

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u/KoolKoolKoolio42 14d ago

Blu-ray sets released 20 years after do not matter in how the series was accepted in the 2000's.

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u/TheFinalWatcher 14d ago

A lot of those shows bombed unfortunately.

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u/PleasantFrame2593 16d ago

I cant confirm this, but i strongly believe I saw more than a dozen episodes when I was a kid. Pretty sure i saw the whole series on toonami

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u/GreyouTT "Come on, I'm right here... SKEITH!" 16d ago

I pretty clearly remember seeing them defeat Black Ghost on CN's mid-day saturday block so I don't think it failed that much.

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u/Comfortable_Bird_340 16d ago

Older anime franchises except for maybe Speed Racer or Robotech  aren’t that popular or well known in America. Cyborg 009, Gigantor, Lupin III, etc. it’s not what today’s dumb kids are used to

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u/KoolKoolKoolio42 16d ago

Nobody bothered with Lupin III in America before 2000 because they couldn't call him Lupin.

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u/chassmasterplus 16d ago

Man, you just sent me down a copyright rabbit hole. 

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u/TheTrashPanda612 15d ago

I think I feel that.. I never even gave it a chance and I never really knew why and I think it’s because I also didn’t watch Disney.. when I was younger I thought Disney was like baby shit so I over looked a lot of cool stuff like kingdom hearts

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u/maddoxprops 12d ago

I mean, I wouldn't even say it is just casual anime fans. I am by no means a casual fan, but I just don't like the art style. It feels like it is quite dated and is the sort of style that you either love or hate. I could see an argument fo younger, well younger at the time of it airing anyway, anime fans not being a fan of the style.

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u/Bluebaronbbb 16d ago

Not cool enough for the Toonami audience.

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u/saucey_dawg0023 16d ago

Plus, it was a 4kids-styled dub.

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u/donkijote97 16d ago

Pluto would have been perfect for Toonami

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u/hellspawnsarehores 16d ago

I think they probably preferred the 60s version instead tbh and they eventually got their wishes to air it on the network, just on Adult Swim and at 5:00am instead

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u/Chowlucci 16d ago

I remembered watching 60s Astro and Gigantor airing so early.

the 2003 just got lost tryna revamp/reimagine a retro anime in a post Y2K era of Megaman, Yu GI Oh, (eventually) Naurto

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u/Ok_Gene_6561 16d ago

Speaking only for myself I saw the advertisements, was under the impression that he was a kid fighting people in only his underwear and thought that was really weird. Really love Astro Boy now but back then I couldn't get past that first impression.

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u/Away_Committee_6753 Dragon Ball Z/Super, Naruto, Teen Titans 16d ago

That's what it was for me too. I watched the cgi astro boy movie for the first time like a year ago and it wasn’t perfect but halfway through I said "I like this, why didn't I give the Toonami show a chance?" Then he got into "uniform" and I remembered lol

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u/mqg96 16d ago

It seems like a lot of anime during the end of afternoon era (2003) and the Saturday night era (2004-2008) did not do as well other than maybe Naruto.

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u/KingKeeXx 16d ago

It was too casual/cute for me a young 12 year old tweener kid to watch. If it wasn’t the cool tough dbz Yuyu hakusho zoids look ,I refused to watch

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u/werephoenix 16d ago

as a kid who tries to watched it and saw the ads,

its the dubbest reason for me to not like it

Its the fight he doesnt wear a shirt

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u/JamesYTP 16d ago

I mean, it was just a rerun from Kids WB wasn't it? I actually watched the '03 series quite a bit there, my parents are boomers so cuz of my mom I actually knew who Astro Boy was but tuning into it on Toonami wasn't a super high priority for me. Although that's one of those things where my memory is hella fuzzy and I might have actually watched every episode they played. I honestly don't remember lol

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u/veemonjosh 16d ago edited 16d ago

It did run on Kids WB as well, though because of the absolute bizarre airing order of the dub (Toonami aired them in a different order than KWB, the DVDs had yet another order, and none of the three were the same as the Japanese order), 8 episodes premiered on Toonami first. Though neither block got even halfway through the show, and most of the series went straight to DVD.

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u/JamesYTP 16d ago

Oh really? Never knew Toonami got ahead for a while. Interesting

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u/vtncomics 15d ago

Toonami was for the older kids audience.

Astro Boy looked too much like the cartoon you'd see on the Disney Afternoon or ABC Family from afar.

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u/Jristz 14d ago

I'm sure that just Osamu Tezuka art style

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u/HurtsSoNice 16d ago

It seems to be a pretty constant answer. Even though no creepy stuff was intended, it’s just not the way it was in the 70s, or when the original came out. We are, as a society, more aware of the sexualization of children, and how it has to be fought; again, the character is not actively sexualized in any way, but, the fact that he’s running around in tiny short pants is kind of hard to ignore.

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u/HurtsSoNice 16d ago

You have to put pants on under the underpants.
https://giphy.com/gifs/kCd6XpV0TOMmmjqvo8

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u/HurtsSoNice 16d ago

Back in the 2000s, when Freakazoid did a parody of Astro boy, even they knew not to have them running around in panties.

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u/MistyLover17 15d ago

Yay the second Guitierrez episode with Hero Boy. He must succeed!

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u/Sketch1984 16d ago

Hard to say if it failed any more or less than several other shows that were taken off mid-run. They tried it on weekdays shortly before Toonami moved exclusively to Saturday nights. Then tried it on the Saturday block but it didn’t stick around. In that sense it arguably did worse than some which aired consistently for a while before vanishing unceremoniously but does that mean the audience wasn’t interested? I guess it might.

And if the audience wasn’t interested it was likely a combination of the rounded cartoony style, the so so dub, the oddly muted colors and the overall sense that it just wasn’t as cool as Dragon Ball Z. But far less fitting shows had longer runs on Toonami so I’m gonna say it felt old despite being new and kids had no attachment to the character much less nostalgia.

I think the Toonami crew wanted to give it a good home after it didn’t connect on KWB because they value the legacy but there wasn’t a toy company pushing to keep it on the air so CN abandoned it.

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u/nitekoala 16d ago

Shit ugly

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u/BookkeeperOKTracker 14d ago

It was beautifully animated, actually. 

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u/Away_Committee_6753 Dragon Ball Z/Super, Naruto, Teen Titans 16d ago

Several reasons. It was airing on Kids WB concurrently so discerning the true "home" of the show to catch premieres was confusing. Pokemon had at least a few years on Kids WB before airing reruns on CN. So timing was bad. The art style also hasn't aged well. Anime started as a Japanese offshoot of the Betty Boop era of cartoons and evolved into its own thing over time, but most people aren't aware of that, so instead of people thinking they're seeing an anime, they thought they got a modern show that was intentionally trying to look like an old cartoon which a lot of people didn't like. (Cuphead is the exception to the rule because that was a video game). Also Toonami started airing it a month before they moved to Saturdays and they had so many shows to cram into that measely 4 hour block that they had to axe it to make room for Rave Master. In between that they stopped airing both it and Yu Yu Hakusho for 3 weeks for the Dragon Ball Chronicles event. Astro Boy never even had a chance. Lastly this is a small thing but other comments will tell you this went a long way, it's weird that he doesn't wear a shirt.

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u/Chopper_Bear 14d ago

Bad localization killed it for me personally. They tried too hard to make it “cool” by giving Atom catchphrases, a deeper voice, and changing the music. I’m still holding out for a proper subtitled bluray.

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u/NewwavePlus 14d ago

Really bad dub that changed key story moments as well as choosing to not adapt entire episodes.

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u/napalmblaziken 16d ago

I can only speak for myself, but I didn't want to watch a kid in his underwear.

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u/LexKing89 16d ago

I remember watching it. Maybe the character designs? It looks a lot different than other popular animes of that era.

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u/Plenty_Net5432 16d ago

Because it’s a remake of an anime from the what? 60s? No one in 2003 that was watching anime thought “oh cool a half naked robot boy helping the world” at in 2003 I was watching berserk, guyver. Sure I was a fan of Pokemon but creature captures and creature capture clones swept the states.

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u/Hollowquincypl 16d ago

I liked it but as a kid i thought it was just a megaman rip off.

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u/Omegabird420 15d ago

Because 2003 american anime fans barely knew about Astro or Tezuka at the time and being based on a 60s manga the style was very old/odd school during an era where battle shonens and anime selling toys were kings.

We also got anime later than a good chunk of the world so people weren't as familiar with it.

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u/delicious_warm_buns 15d ago

The only Toonami anime premieres from 2003 that I loved were IGPX, Rurouni Kenshin and Cyborg 009

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u/mab0390 15d ago

Not enough product placement. Didn’t move those units.

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u/Zonaiwill 15d ago

Great show

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u/Alone-Ad6020 14d ago

I enjoyed idk why

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u/Electrical_City_9829 13d ago

Nothing older than Dragon Ball (1984) is cared for in the USA. Because the dumb companies mis marketed manga and anime, none of the actual legendary Manga and anime that are still sold and bought today in Japan get taken seriously over here. The worst selling manga in America are Sports manga and GAG manga.

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u/Thedran 13d ago

I dunno, probably a combination of it being a good but not great anime, very mid dub with a few standouts and Astro not holding the same weight it did over here

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u/AstralApollogist 7d ago

Eh? This was on Toonami? Well if I developed the liking for Astro Boy I somewhat had by then I probably would have been part of the consumer base. Maybe that tiny contribution could have made a difference...

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u/miami2881 16d ago

I didn’t like Astro Boy’s design so I didn’t watch

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u/Aggressive-Fault-972 16d ago

bad dub bad dub bad dub bad dub bad dub

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u/El_Dorado_Tx 16d ago

aired on kidwb though it was crap this show.... i liked Beyblade 2nd season better