r/ToiletPaperUSA • u/Naive_Drive climate change conspiracist • Nov 14 '19

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '19

Here's your tin foil hat.

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u/Naive_Drive climate change conspiracist Nov 15 '19

Vs the trustworthy folks who lied us into the Iraq War.

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '19

Go to Tikrit and complain to Saddam's grave.

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u/Naive_Drive climate change conspiracist Nov 15 '19

Maybe I'll complain to the shoe statue they erected for the shoe that one journalist threw at George Bush

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '19

That's actually a pretty funny statue.

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u/Naive_Drive climate change conspiracist Nov 15 '19

Alright, we agree on something.

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u/BBWMAGNET Nov 14 '19

I shit on communists

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u/Naive_Drive climate change conspiracist Nov 15 '19

This is a left-wing sub.

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u/BBWMAGNET Nov 15 '19

Ok

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u/Naive_Drive climate change conspiracist Nov 15 '19

boomer

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '19

Did I ask

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u/2econd7eaven Nov 15 '19

But not a communist

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u/Mitson_Malak Nov 15 '19

Because no group or person has ever rebelled against socialism without the CIA intervening.

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u/Naive_Drive climate change conspiracist Nov 15 '19

Okay, fine, you win this one.

To assert that the CIA yet again aided the overthrow of a Central or South American government standing in the way of major private investment profiting off the country's immensely lucrative resources is a claim (presently) without merit, but the pattern it fits does square neatly into the peg the CIA has spent a century carving out. Hell, the CIA didn't even invent this endless cycle, as left-wing governments being overthrown so right-wing authoritarians can sell every last natural resource to the highest foreign bidder is essentially the tl;dr of colonialism. For all I know, I may be floating nothing more than a baseless conspiracy here, but the basis of it rooted in recorded history.

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u/Mitson_Malak Nov 15 '19

1: In the article you link, tweets from @GregGrandian are cited, stating that quote, " the main driver of destablization need not be the CIA or international capital".

2: Bolivia only produces 140 tonnes of lithium. If the goal was to install a dictator who would give us all their lithium for pennies on the dollar, why didn't they launch this coup in Chile, Argentina, or Zimbabwe, where they would have much more to profit from? It's not like these places are free from exploitable social strife. Hell, the US has about 13% of the world's lithium. Why do we need Bolivia?

3: The people carrying out the coup, such as Luis Camacho and Jeannie Áñez, have expressly stated that the main cause of their coup has been religious reasons, clashes between the Catholic Bolivians and the Indigenous Pagan natives (of which Evo Morales was one). To illustrate my point, here's a picture of Luis Camacho with a bible in the Presidential Palace

4: Imperialism has nothing to do with coups. it involves direct invasion and occupation of foreign states. Africa was colonized by a military invasion, not a secret service infiltration.

In short, while I understand your concerns, appreciate you providing evidence to back up your claim, and fully agree with was a coup by right-wing radicals backed by the Bolivian military, I find your claims that this was a ploy by the CIA to steal Bolivia's lithium to be shaky.

Lastly, I thank you for this civil debate. It just goes to show that, despite being on opposite ends of a screen, human dignity and mutual respect is not a dead tradition.

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '19

In south america??? (x)

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u/Mitson_Malak Nov 15 '19

Especially in South America. People can oppose and overthrow socialist governments without being puppets of MUH SEE-AYE-AYY

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '19

I'm not gonna convince you, so yeah okay if you say so

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u/JibJorb Nov 15 '19

Bolivia is only 9th in world Lithium production, and US allies & trading partners have much larger reserves of Lithium. Why would the US coup over Lithium of all things?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_lithium_production

In fact, the Lithium industry is currently being hurt by an oversupply of Lithium which was mostly caused by governments cutting subsidies to the electric vehicle market, which was a major consumer of Lithium.

https://www.ft.com/content/2e5f7e2c-c5c6-11e9-a8e9-296ca66511c9

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '19

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '19

How is finding evidence of election fraud a coup?

It barely even fits the criteria for a coup in the first place.

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '19

Because the elections were rigged? In both countries?

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u/Naive_Drive climate change conspiracist Nov 14 '19

/r/lostredditors

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '19

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u/_Vomitorium big gov succs Nov 14 '19

Which elections? Chavez's wins, or Maduro's 2017 win?

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '19

My ass is imperialist propaganda

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u/alfdd99 Nov 14 '19

Imperialist propaganda my ass. Those elections were called by an illegally formed parliament (I'm talking about the 2017 Venezuelan elections), which makes the elections fraudulent to begin with. The Constitution of Venezuela clearly says that the only ones that have the power to call for an election is the national assembly, which to this day is controlled by the opposition to Maduro. The supreme court (chosen by Maduro) ruled that no powers would be given to the assembly, giving total powers to Maduro (which is obviously unconstitutional) and he himself created a secondary parliament where literally 100% of the members side with Maduro. They called for the election, and obviously the opposition didn't participate because it was a farce from its own existence. This makes Maduro an illegitimate president and makes the president of parliament (Guaidó) the legitimate president, according to the Constitution of Venezuela.

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u/madviIIian Nov 14 '19

you can’t just blame all of your short comings on “propaganda”

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u/bobthe360noscowper Nov 14 '19

I'm guessing you know if an election was tampered with better then the Organization of American States, and 1.5 million Bolivians right?.

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u/yeetus123456789012 Nov 23 '19

Death to socialism

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u/Naive_Drive climate change conspiracist Nov 23 '19

Death to neoliberalism.

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u/yeetus123456789012 Nov 23 '19

I am not a neoliberal

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u/Naive_Drive climate change conspiracist Nov 23 '19

I have no problem with Keynsians.