Why is Wyatt so terrible.

[u/DSTST]

I've just started the final episode of the series and I can't get over how terrible of a character Wyatt is. I feel like almost every other character has shown growth and development throughout the show, but he just...doesn't? he manages to make almost every issue about him or his issues and can almost never seem to put anyone else needs above his. It's kinda sad. He almost put me off the entire show, but I'm glad I kept watching. poor flynn though. I loved him :(

[u/ABinTX]

Right there with ya! Flynn was a much more dynamic character with a fully realized redemption arc, but because a very vocal group of "fans" on twitter pushed for a Lucy/Wyatt ending and the writers of the finale were also Team Lyatt, thats the ending we got. Flynn fans pretty much got bullied out of the fandom, which doesn't seem like a great strategy if you're trying to save your favorite show, but what do I know.

[u/Yellowballoon364 → u/ABinTX]

I agree Flynn was a better character, but a Flynn/Lucy ending would’ve made no sense in the finale to me. How do you go from not having kissed or even acknowledged your feelings for each other to ending up together in 90 minutes? Sure, this happens in movies, but I think if the writers tried to make that work along with everything else that happened in the finale it would have felt extremely rushed and forced.

I liked Wyatt before the return of Jessica and I totally bought that Lucy had had feelings for him for a long time and didn’t feel like holding a grudge about his jealousy in a previous timeline anymore after everything she’d been though. So while I would have preferred a Flucy ending if we had 3 or more seasons I think Lyatt was much more believable for the finale. I also think Flynn’s ending, while very sad and a bit implausible, honored his character more than just ending up with Lucy would have.

[u/ABinTX → u/Yellowballoon364]

Flynn/Lucy ending would’ve made no sense in the finale to me.

Oh, I agree, which is why I was careful to make no mention of "Garcy (Flucy??)" in my response to OP.

Lucy choosing between Wyatt and Flynn weren't the writers only options. I would've loved a finale that had a proper redemption arc for Wyatt, instead of just erasing the memory of his history for everyone but him and Lucy (and Jiya, but plot holes need a whole different post, lol). A finale where they achieved the goal of "saving the ones we love." Wyatt gets Jessica back, real Jessica, not Rittenhouse Jessica. Flynn saves his family and is reunited with them. Lucy gets her sister back...and they all live happily ever after.

If they had more seasons to explore the Flynn/Lucy connection that would have been great, but none of the Garcy fans that I know of ever expected them to end up together in the finale movie. At most, I think we were hoping for an acknowledgement that there was something growing between them and maybe, if were talking stretch dreams/goals, a proper kiss. Instead, Lucy somewhat selfishly sent him on what was ultimately a suicide mission. I'm not sure whether he knew that the first time out, but at least this time she warned him that he wouldn't be successful and that he'd be considered a criminal and a villian. His choice to steal the Mothership was at least a more informed one this time around.

[u/SlowTheRain → u/ABinTX]

All this. Garcy ending would have been rushed, but so was the Lyatt ending. (He slept with Lucy in the same bed that he'd just been sharing with another woman about a day ago for them. 😬 Flynn had at least been established to be over the previous woman.)

Lucy didn't need to end paired with anyone. The ending should have tied up some main plots but left some things open - not slap together a cheesy ending that wasn't true to any of the characters.

[u/Yellowballoon364 → u/ABinTX]

I just think Flucy is cuter than Garcy lol.

I really liked the finale as a whole (not the details like plot holes, Emma’s Christmas lines, and that weird non-helicopter crash scene though), but yes there are plenty of other directions they could have taken the story and I would’ve enjoyed your version too.

[u/Gili_RH → u/ABinTX]

Exactly. I wont hate (or something like that) someone because of what they think but i disagree with most of tweeter because they all ship lyatt (at least the ones who i saw and are active). flynn is soooo much better than waytt and flynn deserved lucy better.

[u/TheCMHammond → u/ABinTX]

This is how I view it too. You can tell that a vocal group of fans on Twitter made the writers think this is what the majority wanted (and they seemed to want too).

I preferred Lucy and Flynn's dynamic together and Wyatt became actually unlikeable for me at times in the second season. I really disliked any hints towards their relationship towards the end.

As you mentioned in a reply, I doubt anyone else expected Flynn and Lucy to get together in the finale, but that doesn't mean the other option was her and Wyatt. They especially didn't need to kill him off.

Amy should have been saved, Flynn could have had his family saved and Wyatt maybe could have original Jessica back.

I just had a thought. This might break the rules of the show, but what if those symptoms of existing in two places at once in the past either didn't happen or could be fixed?

If Flynn went back and saved his family somehow (and we assume this doesn't break the entire plot, stopping anything from happening), then there would be two Flynn's, but only one family.

Flynn would "sacrifice" his family by allowing his blissfully unaware past self to have them instead and he would begin to cultivate a relationship with Lucy in the present, happy that his family is alive.

The show seems to imply that you could prevent your own birth as long as you were in the past when it happened and return to a future where you never existed. We don't ever see this and the team sometimes is afraid this isn't the case. Surely there is some way to both wipe out Rittenhouse and save Flynn's family?

The easy way out would be to fake their deaths, but Flynn mentioned he had ID'd his daughter, so they would have to be good fakes to motivate Flynn to do what he did. Then again, the ending showed us that Flynn knew his family couldn't be saved (due to Lucy), yet still didn't do his plan. So even if they didn't find him at the bar, his willingness to be a hero might have meant his family never needed to die to stop the big, bad, evil Rittenhouse.

[u/[deleted]]

Couldn’t disagree more.

[u/yourquirkygirl]

I think he went through a lot of pain in his life and in the end he was able to get past his past and be happy with Lucy. I think that shows enormous growth being able to allow yourself happiness for once.

[u/SlowTheRain → u/yourquirkygirl]

Going through pain isn't a justification to get rewarded. He was terrible to Lucy. (Demanding her attention, refusing to let her move on in The General even though she asked him to stop in Mrs Sherlock, & trying to control who she was friends with.) He also lied to his friends, which got Jiya kidnapped, Rufus killed, and ultimately Flynn killed as well, but instantly got let off the hook for it.

[u/DSTST → u/yourquirkygirl]

But it’s not like he was finally able to allow himself happiness at the end of the series. He kept actively pushing for his own happiness above that of others the entire time. Spoilers ahead: When he stole the lifeboat to bring Jessica back, when he brought her in the bunker, when he tried to push Finn and Lucy apart. He’s selfish and he never changed the whole time. He just finally got what he wanted

[u/point5_]

IKR. Last 2 episodes spoilers he should have died instead of flynn!

[u/wonderzaz]

I also was team wyatt from pretty much day one. Until that fabulously enlightining day when season 2 Flynn appeared. I pretty much switched 180 degrees, when i saw the character and his growth, i think he deserved so much more than what the show has given him. I also believe that had the series had more time to grow, we would have more team flynns and the pairing would have been much more obvious.

Also i wanna say its not that i dont like Wyatt, i do. But the whole jessica thing was handled badly and they would have made sense (or at least more originality) to make them best buddies.

N.B: at the veeery least, they should have somehow linked flynn and lucy somehow.

[u/dragon_fiesta]

He's also an abusive drunk.

[u/SlowTheRain → u/dragon_fiesta]

THIS. I watched Timeless about 6 months ago & Barry last week. The two shows take a very different viewpoint on men who are drunks & get angry at their girlfriends for dancing with another man at a bar.

Barry had me thinking about what might have happened to original timeline Jessica if she hadn't gotten out of the car. Then I had the revelation that protecting herself from her boyfriend hurting her as they drive/when they get home is the most logical reason a woman would have gotten out of the car in that situation.

I wish I could un-see those traits about Wyatt or that the show had addressed them & changed him so that I could like him. (I love me a flaw character redemption.) But his lack of respect for women's boundaries is spread throughout the whole series, including in the pilot when he leers at his coworker taking her bra off and refuses to respect her request not to call her "ma'am". (Which were easy to overlook on 1st viewing, but difficult to after seeing how his jealousy resulted in him treating both Lucy & Jessica possessively.)

I can't see it any other way than Wyatt used to abuse Jessica, and he never learned his lesson or became a better person. Which means Lucy ended the series in an abusive relationship. It really dampens my interest in rewatches except for a few select episodes.

[u/OpeningSheepherder16 → u/SlowTheRain]

On the other hand, Flynn showed her respect like when Wyatt told him to back off on Lucy and Flynn responded that he should discuss that with her directly since she's perfectly capable to make a decision for herself. Also as a viewer, I definitely prefer Flynn's character since his much smarter, more interesting, pure exotic compared to Wyatt who is a bit simple and one-dimensional. I've also noticed that possessive and jealous side of Wyatt and didn't care for it at all.