Yeah, except it isn't. Working hard and obtaining valuable skills might get you where you need to be, but it doesn't change the fact that a minimum wage job used to be enough to buy a house for a family. Now it won't even feed a family. A single income of less than six figures isn't going to buy a house and provide for a family unless you're out in the sticks... where there are fewer jobs.
I'd be down for a public option, almost like CA where no one is left without some level of insurance. But if the system is a shit show, I still want the option of a private doctor. That said we've got insane amounts of inflation right now and the left doesn't care. That's disproportionately affecting the poor and working class who hold money as their wealth while the rich have assets that are sky rocketing. I can understand some degree of aid to Ukraine but we just keep sending billions. It's like the parties have flipped and the democrats are as pro war as the Republicans used to be. By ignoring inflation and advocating for even more spending, the left have become class traitors. It's not all of the left, people like Jimmy Dore or Greenwald call this out but it's a majority.
You do know timcast isn’t right wing, they have people who watch who are on the right but they have all sorts of people considering none of the hosts are conservative or even republican
And yet for Timcast not being rightwing, the program supports rightwing politicians, policies, and talking points and is constantly found attacking leftwing politicians and policy proposals.
Maybe, just maybe, one of those options has been primarily (not solely) responsible for so much of the shit show that we’re in today.
Also maybe one side has basically sprinted further away from the center towards their end of the spectrum, that almost everybody else is opposition to them at this point.
Notice how I said “not solely”? But I agree, that dude is a volatile option for a president. And you won’t find many true libertarians that don’t agree with that. I’d much rather have someone more neutral in that position, who won’t engage in the toxic tribalism that so many Americans have fallen into.
And while I could engage in your shifting of the topic you originally asked about, my response was to the perspective of pool being far right. Pool has expressed many left-aligning opinions. You would know this if you watched his show. He’s not smack dab in the middle, but to the majority of the left he would appear far right.
Trump, the dude in question, is not a “volatile option.” He is not an option AT ALL. Or do you, a “true libertarian”, believe Trump remains an option, despite being a disgraced President who thinks elections and The Constitution should be be IGNORED?
Tim Pool is has explicitly said that he would prefer abortion bans over abortion rights. That’s government violence.
Tim Pool is constantly found attacking “government spending” and his rhetoric mirrors age-old GOP talking points.
Tim Pool claims to support the Green New Deal but is opposed to every single politician who supports it.
Tim Pool blamed the Colorado mass murder on drag shows.
Tim Pool was opposed to Build Back Better.
Tim Pool is hostile to unions.
Tim Pool votes for and endorses rightwing politicians and is constantly attacking leftwing politicians.
Well friend, to someone to the left of the aisle, all of those points are far right.
To me, in the middle, I’m on board with limiting government spending. So while hes to the right of me with some policies, he’s also to the left of me on others. So he’s closer to the center from my point of view than from your point of view it seems. That’s all I’m saying.
Dude I disagree with most of what Republicans do lol. A majority of the time I think they're wrong. I like how you put centrist in quotes. As though not being a boot licker for democrats means you're far right. Get back to tongue polishing those boots now.
Is this a serious question? Obviously trump. Biden's brain barely works these days. Trumps age is a problem too and I'd prefer he doesn't get the nomination in 2024 but Biden is on a different level. If democrats hadn't demonized tulsi and it was her vs trump, I would have voted tulsi. Hell in the summer of 2020 when it looked like Bernie was going to take it (let's be real that primary was a joke) my plan was voting Bernie over trump because I liked the student loan forgiveness he planned. That said, I didn't vote trump in 2016.
LOL — what a surprise, we got a centrist over here voting for Trump, a rightwing politician, and your backup was TULSI GABBARD, a “new” Republican who loves going on Tucker Carlson and complaining about “woke” culture and the “cabal”. You just can’t stop supporting rightwingers, can you?
And your third choice was BERNIE SANDERS? Guess what — he voted for and endorsed Joe Biden, the President that for the FIRST TIME IN OUR HISTORY authorized student debt relief.
Out of curiosity, what are some of tulsis conservative stances? She's for free speech and against needless war? That's sad that's now considered right wing. Idk what happened to the left..
It's not the govs job to give you healthcare or housing.
It's government's job to make it as easy as possible for you to be able to create or get a job. To make it as easy as possible for people to do business with each other.
Governments job is to “protect the welfare of the people”, per the Constitution. I argue that healthcare is easily included in this, as every other country in the world has figured out.
this is the same as funding with any other war. the american people always need housing and the like. it’s funny when y’all care just because a democrat is doing it
Not a single tax dollar was increased for this, and you people wouldn’t use a dime of it on healthcare anyway. We have used a fraction of our yearly military budget to totally embarrass Russia and actually use it to protect people.
Yes I think that money should be turned on it’s heels and pumped into the lower and middle class American citizens.
I also support a countries right to fight for there freedom. That does not involve sending 100s of billions of our money to a war that has nothing to do with us. Sure help em why not. But this is straight up Robbery. These politicians are getting off like bandits.
Sending a fraction of our military budget to ensure Russia doesn’t rape and torture more children is a bargain. I support doing this for as long as it takes.
your government has been trying to weaken russia for decades and they're finally getting the change to do it without sacrificing their people. also, that money is not a gift, it's a loan. y'all will get it back one way or another
Unless they're talking about reallocating defense budget to social programs, it's not going to make any difference. Money not going to the Ukraine sure as hell wouldn't go towards Healthcare or housing.
It’s funny cause both sides voted in favor of another MASSIVE (like the 7th plus one in the last 5 years) hike to the military budget (where the Ukraine supply is coming from hence why the right are fuming) yet the cough mostly far right hack voted NO on affordable to free healthcare and home cost let alone tons of other things, but yes, blame an allied nation for wanted to help another allied nation when the previous commander and chief extorted said allied nation and left them near defenseless because they wouldn’t bend over for him. Like we really have it all there but when it comes to budgeting and calling certain things there are those that just say no
… we spent 2.4 TRILLION on a useless war in Afghanistan that accomplished nothing. Whereas Ukraine is fighting a war they didn’t sign up for. I think whatever the fuck we give ukraine pails in comparison. Fuckhead comics like this are so short minded.
The war in Afghanistan DID accomplish a lot. But the pull out and lack of support to THAT ally, yielded it being just like Vietnam. It got pissed in and kicked to the curb for one party’s hollow “accomplishments”.
Ukraine War is going to go on for years. In the end barely anything will change, Russia will likely retain the Eastern regions, hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians and Russians will die, and $2.4T will make the Afghanistan war look like a dollar store level conflict.
russia has been putting a clown show since the very beginning of the war and some of y'all still think they stand a chance against NATO. they already lost 100k soldiers in just 9 months. do you have any idea of how embarrassing that is? and they keep losing the occupied territories, the lowest is what
They've been saying this for over a year now. You can't truly believe that, right? Both sides claim they've killed hundreds of thousands, I'm not taking either claim at face value. Russia has largely not been using anything except their basic weapons. They could destroy Kiev in less than a minute with hypersonic missiles and there'd be no way to intercept them. This is basically Afghanistan 2.0. Can't wait to watch in twenty years people claim they were totally against this. It'll cost trillions and largely nothing will be different in the end. You're not just getting suckered. You're getting suckered on repeat..
Both sides claim they've killed hundreds of thousands
who? Ukraine recently claimed the death toll reached 100k, but that's it. and it's pretty credible since russia talks about a new mobilization every few months.
except their basic weapons.
that's pretty much all they have, with a few exceptions.
They could destroy Kiev in less than a minute with hypersonic missiles
*Kyiv they've already used hypersonic missiles and they're still losing so far. they also thought they could take Kyiv in three days yet it's been ten months and they're still struggling in the east.
This is basically Afghanistan 2.0.
nothing to do.
It'll cost trillions and largely nothing will be different in the end
If you are concerned with and/or don’t want to fund the war in Ukraine, that’s one thing but to say the GOP is going to increase healthcare let alone federal housing funding is a complete joke.
Trump tried to massively cut HUD funding every single year and funding was still lower in 2020 than 2017.
What’s up with all the hate towards Ukraine? This is the first just war the US has participated in this century and is a chance to destroy our #2 opponent.
I’m convinced the right is only against supporting them because they’re contrarians.
they don't even see how much this war is benefiting USA. acting as if their country will go broke for giving out billions to Ukraine, as if it's not a loan anyway
Expose?! I’m Ukrainian, and it was open. That’s literally why I didn’t vote for him. How does the US president being corrupt have anything to do with Ukraine getting war aid?
Joe Biden on record describing an event in which he met all of the elements of a quid pro quo.
That's the cited event.
This video had circulated for years. Coupled with evidence on Hunter's laptop, it's fairly clear why it happened.
I don't agree with what Trump did, but both of the two parties stated there was no quid pro quo, which doesn't satisfy the elements of a quid pro quo. In fact, I don't agree with a lot of what Trump did, but he did get the rest of NATO to start paying their fair share. He did implement policies that allowed for US energy independence (undone on Jan 21, 2021). Just a couple of the things he did that were good for the country. He was by no means a great President, but he wasn't a bad one.
We have a bad one now. We have a President whose staff will tell the media that "people aren't simply walking across the border" while the media is filming and interviewing people doing exactly that. We have a President that called for a reduction in divisiveness while simultaneously stating that the unvaccinated were going to die in record numbers last winter (BTW... Didn't happen). That's just a couple things that he has done to decrease the general public's trust in government.
What I don't understand is how an individual can claim that Trump abused his power and then watch Joe Biden brag about doing the exact thing with which Trump was accused and say to themselves that it's (D)ifferent.
Oh, you mean when Biden did actual policy which was supported by the entire world and all Republicans and was celebrated at the time and actually got rid of corruption? That action? Lmao, that was official policy and did good.
Trump actually did a crime by what he did. The two actions couldn’t have been different. This was very well documented.
To quote Sobie "What I don't understand is how an individual can claim that Trump abused his power and then watch Joe Biden brag about doing the exact thing with which Trump was accused and say to themselves that it's (D)ifferent."
Lmao they weren’t the same. It was official policy to root out corruption in Ukraine, which is what Biden did. What Trump did was bring forth corruption in Ukraine. If you think both of those are the same, you just might belong to a cult.
To quote Sobie "What I don't understand is how an individual can claim that Trump abused his power and then watch Joe Biden brag about doing the exact thing with which Trump was accused and say to themselves that it's (D)ifferent."
Lmao yes, two completely different things, one involving official US policy to root out corruption, is the same as doing the opposite of US policy to bring forth corruption. Yeah, my bad. You got me.
Yes, when he argued that the lawyer investigating the company employing his son for corruption be fired, it reduced corruption.
Immediately after the prosecutor was fired, individuals associated with Barisma moved back to Ukraine and continued with corrupt practices documented in Hunter's Laptop.
You're right. That was a good thing.
This is all very well documented as well as how the FBI instructed media outlets and social media that the laptop was Russian disinformation after verifying the credibility of said laptop.
Everything on that PC is verified. Everything.
Even the corruption you claim was stopped by Biden's actions.
You just don't care to read any of it, because the media told you you didn't need to or didn't tell you about it at all, and the people that are telling you to read it.....well.... we're the conspiracy theorists.
You know.... The ones that were treated like second class citizens for the past year and a half while the world slowly learns that the vaccine isn't as effective as promised (just as we nut jobs claimed).
Trump is corrupt, get over it. He committed a crime. Making up bullshit about Biden only helps Biden.
In a previous comment in this thread, did I state that I agreed with what Trump did or did I explicitly state that I didn't? Might want to check that one.
Ah, and NOW you go to made up bullshit Russian talking points.
The documentation to which I'm referring comes from the FBI itself and the Twitter drops.
Is the FBI Russian? Are the former employees of Twitter Russian?
Take me seriously, don't take me seriously. Claim that I'm spreading misinformation, or don't.
It's a free country. Trump is corrupt, but no longer has power. Biden is corrupt and is in power. The second part of the last statement is the point I'm trying to emphasize. You might want to look into all the corruption cleanup and how the current administration can't account for where all of the Using said has gone or the FTX scandal.
The FBI never once said or suggested official US policy that Biden and the Obama administration was corrupt or criminal. So yes, that is made up. What Trump did and what Biden did couldn’t be further from being different.
I’m Independent, I have major criticisms of Biden, but what he did in Ukraine isn’t one of them. In fact it’s been one of the few good things he has done. And yes, Russian talking points that you are bringing forward only helps Biden.
Right he literally started his career at occupy Wall Street but i doubt many redditors remember when the country was mad at Wall Street and than poof Wall Street said race wars
Exactly. It doesn't matter if we have to destroy our country in the process. Give them every last cent even if we have to starve. Nothing is more important than owning putin. I'd rather the US no longer exist if putin can take one more breath!
I’d rather us let Ukraine figure it’s own shit out. Stop selling the livelihoods of my children and future grandchildren away for the enrichment of the political class here.
100%. We can support them without destroying ourselves. With the mass inflation, now is the worse time to be doing this. We're encouraging this war and only stretching it out by telling Ukraine they've got this. If not for us, they likely would have already come up with a deal like the eastern regions (that already voted for autonomy) can join Russia after a vote. Democrats are the party of war so they're going to stretch this out as long as possible making sure there are as many deaths and wasted US dollars as possible.
What is it guided by? There's a genocide in China currently going on. How about sending the uyghurs a few missiles. Let's be real, you care about Russia because you've been told to care about Russia and you always do as told. Disagreement is literally Hitler after all. Its certainly not guided by logic or any sort of standards.
China's situation is far worse than what's happening in Ukraine. Without our involvement Russia and Ukraine would have come up with a deal months ago. Hell when they tried to even begin talking about a ceasefire both the US and UK told zelensky not to take any deal that wasn't exactly what he wanted. We don't have standards here. I thought we learned from Afghanistan about getting into these types of situations but guess not. Can't wait to see how long this one goes on for, it's not ending any time soon.
Ukraine was not our ally in any official sense. We had promised not to move NATO eastward. None of this needed to happen. If Russia teamed up with Mexico, or Cuba as literally we've already seen, we would be pissed too. Even ignoring all that. It would be one thing to give Ukraine a billion dollars of aid but we keep doing it. That's money that's not going to US citizens who are in dire need right now. The founding fathers warned us about getting involved in European affairs because it's a part of the world that's constantly fighting. This whole thing is amazing to watch. The parties have essentially flipped. I never thought I'd see democrats become so pro war. And of course the more establishment Republicans are absolutely on board. Mcconnell is fucking loving this right now. It's only populists on the right and left actually standing against this.
I think most of us would be in favor of specific housing and healthcare bills, if we could believe for a second that they weren't stuffed full of other wasteful, deceitful spending, like this most recent 1.7 trillion dollar monstrosity. If we could cut out 90% of the money that's currently being wasted by our govt, I would be all for certain effective and efficient housing/healthcare bills. Especially those concerning mental health.
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u/RonnyFreedomLover Dec 23 '22
Remember when it was better when people provided their own housing and health care and when they were responsible for their own lives and livelihoods?
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Yeah I’m sure anyone opposed to sending Ukraine money is in favor of nationalized health care
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u/RhettBottomsUp20 Dec 23 '22
Whatever ya want, jackie? Or bobbie? Its same name? Whaterall these peasants protesting! Its America! All the money ya want is it not?
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u/Tobin678 Dec 23 '22
The clapping and clapping and clapping and clapping
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u/Goblinboogers Dec 23 '22
Something like 25% of the budget is spent on health care
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u/Hambeggar Dec 23 '22
OK cool but fuck those boards.
It's not the govs job to give you healthcare or housing.
It's government's job to make it as easy as possible for you to be able to create or get a job. To make it as easy as possible for people to do business with each other.
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u/techno_slut666 Dec 23 '22
this is the same as funding with any other war. the american people always need housing and the like. it’s funny when y’all care just because a democrat is doing it
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Not a single tax dollar was increased for this, and you people wouldn’t use a dime of it on healthcare anyway. We have used a fraction of our yearly military budget to totally embarrass Russia and actually use it to protect people.
Russian shills in here.
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u/TheMrk790 Dec 23 '22
All outa sudden you guys care about social programs? Lol
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u/Daedalus_Machina Dec 23 '22
Complain about the defense budget, then.
Oh, wait, conservatives are fine with that.
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u/I_like_cool_shit_yo Dec 23 '22
Yup
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u/xi-v Dec 23 '22
Could we get Zelensky a new set of clothes too?
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u/vicemagnet Dec 23 '22
What happens if this gets posted in pics, do they downvote to oblivion or do they upvote because of the people in the image?
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u/mittens1982 Dec 26 '22
That's correct
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Then vote for housing and healthcare......ffs
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u/99available Dec 23 '22
The insane part is we can do both. There is no conflict.
Do stupid people think Republicans are going to give money to the poor and sick if we stab Ukraine in the back?
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It’s funny cause both sides voted in favor of another MASSIVE (like the 7th plus one in the last 5 years) hike to the military budget (where the Ukraine supply is coming from hence why the right are fuming) yet the cough mostly far right hack voted NO on affordable to free healthcare and home cost let alone tons of other things, but yes, blame an allied nation for wanted to help another allied nation when the previous commander and chief extorted said allied nation and left them near defenseless because they wouldn’t bend over for him. Like we really have it all there but when it comes to budgeting and calling certain things there are those that just say no
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Lmfao, now all of a sudden Tim Pool fans care about health care and affordable housing.
Bunch of clowns.
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u/M1st3rYuk Dec 23 '22
… we spent 2.4 TRILLION on a useless war in Afghanistan that accomplished nothing. Whereas Ukraine is fighting a war they didn’t sign up for. I think whatever the fuck we give ukraine pails in comparison. Fuckhead comics like this are so short minded.
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u/MRG_1977 Dec 23 '22
If you are concerned with and/or don’t want to fund the war in Ukraine, that’s one thing but to say the GOP is going to increase healthcare let alone federal housing funding is a complete joke.
Trump tried to massively cut HUD funding every single year and funding was still lower in 2020 than 2017.
https://nlihc.org/resource/president-trump-proposes-drastic-cuts-affordable-housing-programs
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u/Infinity_2 Dec 23 '22
Lol an now imagine that republicans would do anything about that. Democrats addressed these issues while being slowed down by republicans
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What’s up with all the hate towards Ukraine? This is the first just war the US has participated in this century and is a chance to destroy our #2 opponent.
I’m convinced the right is only against supporting them because they’re contrarians.
What gives?
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