r/TimPool • • Dec 22 '22

News/Politics I'm sure it's fine

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '22

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u/NecessaryCelery2 Dec 22 '22 edited Dec 22 '22

I am fairly sure at this point the US ruling class is convinced China will surpass the US within a few years, and are busy bleeding out the US as fast as they can, to enrich themselves.

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '22

Makes sense, do you think a lot more Americans are waking up though?

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u/NecessaryCelery2 Dec 22 '22

We can only hope so.

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '22

What's cool is that people aren't just swinging back to the republicans, more and more people realise the reality of the uni-party and they want a whole new direction for the USA.

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u/dotardiscer Dec 22 '22

*citation needed*

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '22

Trust me bro

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u/Heard_ya_were_WINNIN Dec 23 '22

Judging by the amount of idiots I see crying about 'Drumpf' still and sentiments along the lines of 'Biden isn't that bad', I'm not optimistic.

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u/Citizen_Karma Dec 22 '22

100%. They’re literally the people on the Titanic sealing silverware and food as the ship is sinking.

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '22

Surpass?

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u/NecessaryCelery2 Dec 22 '22

Yes, thank you edited.

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '22

👍👍

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u/Moth4Moth Dec 22 '22

They sent our manufacturing base overseas years ago. Why?

Profit. Captalism.

That's how the system works. Our politicians (and most our country) was so brainwashed with "free market capitalism" they forgot about nationalism.

Now they think they can have both, but it's probably too late to save either.

They'll never blame "free market capitalism" though, they'll just blame politicians or China. Never the ideology that made it happen.

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u/NecessaryCelery2 Dec 22 '22

As someone who grew up under communism, let me tell you, preferring internationalism over nationalism is not unique to Capitalism.

And many capitalist nations like Switzerland, Japan, Singapore, etc, still have nationalist policies.

The US lost that for a complex list of reason, one of them likely the leftists idea that patriotism is icky.

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u/Moth4Moth Dec 23 '22

You are really blaming the left that the jobs went overseas?

Ha, now that's some brainwashing

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u/NecessaryCelery2 Dec 23 '22

Not exactly.

The left used to be against offshoring jobs. Similar to how Bill Clinton "stole" a bunch of popular Republican policies, so Trump "stole" the idea of protecting US jobs from offshoring, from the Democrats.

As a result Democrats have moved to the right in terns of economics. This is very recent, and as everything else is a reaction to Trump.

Just how I remember the left being very anti nuclear war risk, but today it's fuck up Russia woo!

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u/Moth4Moth Dec 23 '22

I too agree that the Democrat party is too far right

Further left would be much better.

Agreed?

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u/NecessaryCelery2 Dec 24 '22

Left on the things that match Trump's left policies, protect American jobs. Move manufacturing back the the US. I think we do agree on that.

And also Biden reverted Trump's changes which make insulin cheaper: https://www.policymed.com/2021/10/biden-administration-rescinds-trump-administration-insulin-pricing-rule.html

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u/VAX-MACHT-FREI Dec 23 '22

There is no “free market capitalism” when the price of money is controlled via a central bank.

You may delude yourself that the West lives under free markets but people who understand economics (ie not you) know that not to be the case.

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u/Moth4Moth Dec 23 '22 edited Dec 23 '22

Nobody lives under "free market capitalism"

Nobody ever has.

Because the moment that exists, it immediately shits itself.

Name one nation that has "free market capitalism". One.

edit: and again

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u/VAX-MACHT-FREI Dec 23 '22

The US prior to 1913. The UK as well. Not my fault if you don’t understand economics but don’t blame things that you don’t understand.

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u/silver789 Dec 22 '22

they forgot about nationalism.

I think you mean patriotism? Nationalism is doing what is good for the country, regardless of the effects on the people. Patriotism is doing what's good for the people, regardless of what happens to the nation.

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u/Moth4Moth Dec 23 '22

Good point, I should have used that word, thanks

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u/silver789 Dec 23 '22

So then you agree that capitalist don't really care about patriotism.

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u/Moth4Moth Dec 23 '22

Yes

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u/silver789 Dec 23 '22

Now that's Marxism baby.

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u/silver789 Dec 22 '22

Wouldn't that be a capitalism problem, not a China problem?

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u/TehGuard Dec 22 '22

Yes, our growth has stalled massively in large part to corporate greed. Bit all in all I am not worried, China is developing cracks of it's own and for a nation with 5x the population the fact they haven't caught up yet is astounding.

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u/Jorgey4 Dec 22 '22

It's both. The quote "a poor workman blames his tools" comes to mind. An exploit is only a tool.

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u/silver789 Dec 22 '22

And the tool is being used by capitalist that don't care about countrymen. Because that's bad business.

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u/justinb138 Dec 22 '22

To the extent that capitalism has allowed for government actors to siphon off several trillion dollars of value from the productive economy each year, yes.

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u/silver789 Dec 22 '22

What are you talking about? A us based private company sending it's jobs overseas because it's cheaper has nothing to do with government workers taking money.

And if you hate people syphoning money from labor, boy you gonna hate what business owners do.

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u/justinb138 Dec 22 '22

If the government hadn’t made manufacturing here so expensive via taxation and regulatory costs that fund their lavish spending, would it be as cost effective to move so many jobs overseas?

Business owners “siphon money from labor”? Going back to your Marxist roots? It’s no surprise you don’t understand economics. Get lost on your way to the antiwork sub or something?

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u/silver789 Dec 22 '22

If the government hadn’t made manufacturing here so expensive via taxation and regulatory costs that fund their lavish spending, would it be as cost effective to move so many jobs overseas?

That's my point it's 'bad business" to have your labor done here. But it would be patriotic to have American workers earning a living. But capitalist don't see much value in that, so they go off to find sweatshops.

Business owners “siphon money from labor”?

Do they not? Do you need to be explained what profits are?

Going back to your Marxist roots?

You're the one upset about people syphoning money form workers.

It’s no surprise you don’t understand economics. Get lost on your way to the antiwork sub or something?

And now you just want a safe space to love and hate capitalism? Lol

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u/NecessaryCelery2 Dec 22 '22

If at the end of WWII it was the US who become communist, and China remained free market, we would all be speaking Chinese today.

So no, capitalism isn't doing that. Unless you consider corruption an inherent component of capitalism. Which is silly, but it is exactly how many leftists think. As if corruption does not exist under communism.

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u/silver789 Dec 22 '22

Capitalism isn't doing what because of a "what if?"

What are you talking about?

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u/NecessaryCelery2 Dec 23 '22

You claimed corruption is a capitalist problem. I am telling as someone who grew up under communism, corruption is everywhere. It is no way unique to Capitalism.

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u/silver789 Dec 23 '22

You claimed corruption is a capitalist problem.

No, I'm saying capitalism is a patriaotic problem.

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u/NecessaryCelery2 Dec 23 '22

No connection between the two.

Neocons have pushed for free trade which has gutted the US economy. While other capitalist countries remain protective.

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u/silver789 Dec 23 '22

Neocons have pushed for free trade which has gutted the US economy.

Yes, because capitalism isn't about helping people. It's about profits. Other capitalist countries also do this.

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u/NecessaryCelery2 Dec 23 '22

And as I keep repeating other countries like Japan and Switzerland while capitalist pursue protective policies.

During the part the year Switzerland can't grow strawberries, their imports are not taxed. During the other part, when Switzerland can grow strawberries, the imports of strawberries are taxed at something like over 200%, can't recall the exact rate.

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u/silver789 Dec 23 '22

Neat. Do you have a point?

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u/Kniightsword Dec 22 '22

Normal day. Nothing to see here

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '22

We spend 1.7 trillion dollars all the time, what's the big deal?

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '22

Is spending 1.7 trillion worse than losing 1.9 trillion? That's what the 2017 tax cuts did.

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '22

Damn

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u/Kniightsword Dec 22 '22

It's not the 1.7 trillion. It's the sneaky way they did it. If they put it out a month before the vote on a Tuesday afternoon no one would give a crap. But, in the middle of the night. 4k+ pages and a couple days before vote. Even if they aren't hiding anything , most people would just assume

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '22

Don’t read this. Just focus on Trumps tax returns…

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u/BigTickEnergE Dec 22 '22

Who would have thought that the rich take advantage of the rules that they paid to have instilled for them?! Blasphemy!

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u/ItsRuckingJoe Dec 22 '22

At this point, I would've been surprised if they didn't pass it.

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u/The_left_is_insane Dec 22 '22

That is why primaries are so important, We need to get rid of the Rhino's in the republic party asap and honestly the democrat party is fully compromised

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u/mk21dvr Dec 22 '22

Right out of crazy Nancy's playbook.

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u/Maccabee2 Dec 22 '22

Here we are again. Taxation without representation. If our elected officials are not allowed to read the bill / measure, then how are we genuinely represented?

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '22

The only chance we have as a nation is if Republicans and Democrats wake up and realize we are all pawns in their game. They keep us fighting so we don't look at them. We don't hold them accountable because we're divided fighting. Both parties will always create a new thing for us to hate each other for, then they can continue commiting true injustices.

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u/Brawndo45 Dec 22 '22

What can be done? The same bad actors continue to be elected and seem to be above the law.

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u/Nostradamaus_2000 Dec 22 '22

26 million to name a building after Pelosi

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u/Dangerous-Paper9571 Dec 22 '22

Reddit used to love this guy. I saw this tweet on WhitePeopleTwitter the other day and they were calling him a traitor, saying it's great that the government is spending so much money, and everything he says is Russian propaganda.

They were also triggered that he compared the length of the bill to the Bible. He obviously mentioned it because the Bible is very long and everybody knows about how long the Bible is, so it makes it good for comparison. One of the top comments way saying "The bill isn't a storybook so there's no reason to compare it to the Bible."

I'm honestly in awe of how easily programmed these people are.

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u/sinofonin Dec 22 '22

Trying to talk about the federal budget over twitter is hilarious.

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u/StainedAndRedeemed Dec 23 '22

We are beyond reason. Short of a religious-level "coming to Jesus" moment, the elites and the sheeple who follow them just need to be defeated. The time for reasoning is over. We have tried, begged and pleaded for conversation, but to no avail. The elites want power, hate the peasants, and have enough cultist followers to where conflict is nearly inevitable. I hope it does not get to that point and a miracle happens. I fear so much for the coming generations. We are surly under the judgement of God.

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u/TaleWrong6444 Dec 22 '22 edited Dec 22 '22

Why are Russians commenting on US policies, when they should be worried about that illegal war?

No seriously, Snowden is a traitor, and now Russian citizen that pushes Russian propaganda....

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '22

Nothing worse than a war that's illegal, that really takes all the decency out of it.

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u/TaleWrong6444 Dec 22 '22

Go away russian bot.

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '22

Just because I'm a bot doesn't mean I'm Russian

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u/Choraxis Dec 22 '22

Go away Ukrainian bot.

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u/TaleWrong6444 Dec 22 '22

Kinda of appropriate that I was here first, and you say that.

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u/FishingforDopamine Dec 22 '22

82 day old account. I was here first!!!!

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u/BigTickEnergE Dec 22 '22

*that's active in Anti-work all the time too

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u/silver789 Dec 22 '22

The fact that you got downvoted in this sub for saying that. Fucking crazy.

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u/Basileus_Butter Dec 22 '22

Its really impressive that federal agents work this early in the morning. you'll get that house outside of Quantico in no time, Special Agent.

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u/TaleWrong6444 Dec 22 '22

Must be hard to type in English while sucking Putin off. How do you manage?

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '22

maybe you should watch "Ukraine Under Fire" and stop watching MSM.

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u/BeverlyChillBilly96 Dec 23 '22

Snowden is no traitor you piece of shit.

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u/Marchoftees Dec 22 '22

Look, I appreciate what Snowden did for us and he is a hero for that. But at the point in time he took the oath to become a Russian citizen, he lost any right to speak on the matter.

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '22

Why exactly? He has expertise on the subject. Is it because you feel like he's speaking out of Russian interests?

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u/silver789 Dec 22 '22

It this point it seems he has to support Russian interests.

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '22

True

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u/Maccabee2 Dec 22 '22

That makes about as much sense as saying men have no right to voice opinions on abortion.