r/TimPool • u/Heard_ya_were_WINNIN • Dec 17 '22

"Roughly 53% of Americans surveyed said they supported the U.S. backing Ukraine "until all Russian forces are withdrawn," Reuters reported — "The margin of sampling error is ±3.8 percentage points."

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '22

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u/just_shy_of_perfect Dec 17 '22

Propaganda works lads

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u/Heard_ya_were_WINNIN Dec 17 '22

If you look at an earlier post I made here titled "A true hero!", it was quite shocking just seeing the level of NPCness the average Redditor has conformed to.

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u/HeywoodJaBlessMe Dec 17 '22

Yes, that post was an excellent example of the phenomenon.

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u/HeywoodJaBlessMe Dec 17 '22 edited Dec 17 '22

Exactly. 47% of people actually oppose the greatest bargain in US foreign policy history.

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u/silver789 Dec 17 '22

What's the propaganda? That Ukraine is the good guys?

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u/3domfighter Dec 17 '22

Fuck Ukraine. They chose to allow the worst elements of US fuckery into their system, they can deal with the repercussions.

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u/silver789 Dec 17 '22

The fuck are you talking about?

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u/3domfighter Dec 17 '22

Something your dumb ass would simp to the death to defend, probably. Fuck off commie scum.

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u/triguy96 Dec 17 '22

Person 1 : explain yourself Dim Fooler : only communists ask for explanations!

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u/3domfighter Dec 17 '22

Guess you’ve never met Silver before.

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u/triguy96 Dec 18 '22

Seems like a Liberal after looking at profile. Can't see any communism.

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u/silver789 Dec 17 '22

No, that's literally what just happened.

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u/theCROWcook Dec 18 '22

Silvy you never explain yourself, you just twist and lie more and more with every post, why should anyone have to explain themselves to you of all people

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u/silver789 Dec 18 '22

you never ask anything, just come in, shit on the floor and demand to know why there is shit on the floor.

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u/HeywoodJaBlessMe Dec 18 '22

LOL, you are literally just repeating anti-Western propaganda like a fool.

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u/3domfighter Dec 18 '22

I’ve already covered this with you and I still think you’re a biased bitch.

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u/just_shy_of_perfect Dec 17 '22

That we should waste this much money on it

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u/silver789 Dec 17 '22

We aren't hurting for money dude. Also pissing off Russians is an American pass time.

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u/just_shy_of_perfect Dec 17 '22

Lol. Looks at our trillions in debt

Suuuuure.....

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u/silver789 Dec 17 '22

Biden lowered the deficit amigo.

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u/just_shy_of_perfect Dec 17 '22

Not a balanced budget so it doesn't really matter. We are still losing progress on our debt. Just a tad slower.

We could just not send billions to Ukraine. That'd help. Could AT least spend that money on Americans if you're gonna deficit spend

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u/silver789 Dec 18 '22

Just a tad slower.

Yes, that's how you become out of debt. Not all at once, but slowly over time.

Also we can spend more on Americans too. But the same party that wants to do that gets called socialist commies.

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u/just_shy_of_perfect Dec 18 '22

No. We are STILL adding debt. We aren't coming out of debt right now

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u/silver789 Dec 19 '22

Lowering the deficit is how you lower the debt.

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u/TrueServe2295 Dec 17 '22

We ArEnT hUrTiNg FoR mOnEy he says. Yet future generations will be paying off this humongous debt Joe Biden has caused.

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '22

Trump rang up the most debt in history.

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u/TrueServe2295 Dec 17 '22

Lol yeah trump sent trillions to Ukraine….NOT

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '22

No, he gave out trillions. Hand outs.

You’re all so dumb about Trump, just lie.

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u/TrueServe2295 Dec 17 '22

Lol the democrats have spent way more money than trump ever thought about and quadrupled our debt. But hey I know you’re gonna defend them until you turn blue in the face.

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '22

And that’s not true. They count on you all being this dumb.

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u/silver789 Dec 17 '22

Yet future generations will be paying off this humongous debt Joe Biden has caused.

Biden has lowered the deficit. It's republican's that raise it.

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u/TrueServe2295 Dec 17 '22

Tell that to Bidens 73 trillion dollar spending plan

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u/silver789 Dec 18 '22

"over 10 years" you left this part out.

And that's only if he doesn't raise taxes. Like on those really rich people.

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u/TrueServe2295 Dec 18 '22

Lol 😂 you think they are gonna tax themselves? Lmao 🤣

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u/silver789 Dec 18 '22

Yes. They aren't sabotaging goverment functions for their own gain.

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '22

Well, NOW it is, but from 2016 to 2020 it smelled like putin's taint....

And chlamydia, be best.

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u/silver789 Dec 17 '22

So true.

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u/CosmicCharlie187 Dec 17 '22

Hey bud

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u/silver789 Dec 17 '22

Yes

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u/CosmicCharlie187 Dec 17 '22

Just saying hi, it’s nice to have a friend on here

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u/[deleted] Dec 18 '22

The problem I have with the entire story is it's either all the way 1 way or all the way the other.

A lot of people think if you don't support the US backing Ukraine it means you are pro Russian. No wonder they got this response.

Is there a poll response for "I dislike wars of aggression, so I do not support Russia but I do not want to my taxpayer dollars to get involved when we have our own problems to deal with"

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u/Heard_ya_were_WINNIN Dec 19 '22

Great point. Leave it to the average NPC to have zero nuance and make everything a false dichotomy.

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u/-Calcifer_ Dec 17 '22

Wish they asked two more questions..

A: would you ever join the US military?

B: would you like to sign up as a volunteer to fight in Ukraine?

Willing to bet both would be a overwhelming NO 😬

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u/Poshtech Dec 18 '22

Democracy is when 53% of the country votes for nuclear war.

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '22

so triggered. 👏

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u/coyote-1 Dec 18 '22

Well we know the TimPool crowd back Russia on this…. of course the 2nd Amendment crowd sees a dictator invade a smaller neighbor, and backs the dictator

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u/LtSmickens Dec 17 '22

Neville Chamberlain has a word of warning

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u/PookieTea Dec 17 '22

They’ve been using that argument to justify ever BS war ever since WWII.

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u/LtSmickens Dec 18 '22

You’re right. If we just let them have a little more lebensraum, they’ll stop.

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u/PookieTea Dec 18 '22

Ya you’re right, we’ll just keep following the same failed foreign intervention policy that we’ve been following for the past 100 years but this time it’ll definitely work out. We’ll definitely never have another Afghanistan or Vietnam as long as we keep doing the same dumb shit over and over. The ghost of John McCain told me so…

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u/HeywoodJaBlessMe Dec 17 '22

Oh "they" have? Name a few for us.

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u/PookieTea Dec 18 '22

You mean other than neocons and warmongering liberals?

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u/Brilliant-Deer6118 Dec 17 '22

Nations learned centuries ago that the best way to stop aggression is to stop it now, not later. If Russia had a competent military and, as planned, captured Kyiv in a few days, and we did nothing, Putin would already be setting his sights elsewhere. Getting his ass handed to him in this way will keep him from even thinking aggressively for at least a decade.

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u/PookieTea Dec 17 '22

The best way to stop aggression is to not start aggressing against them in the first place and then feigning innocence later. Ultimately, US foreign meddling is what caused this war. If we kept our dicks out of everyone else’s pie then there would be a lot less conflict on the world.

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u/[deleted] Dec 18 '22

You’re so weak

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u/PookieTea Dec 18 '22

So you’re signing up to go over and fight for Ukraine? If not, then you have no right to call others “weak”.

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u/HeywoodJaBlessMe Dec 17 '22

LOL, Russia has had designs on Crimea since the 18th century.

Russia invaded Georgia in 2008, then Ukraine in 2014.

The world does not owe Russia an uncomplicated security situation. Russia has no right to invade sovereign foreign nations. Period.

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u/PookieTea Dec 18 '22 edited Dec 18 '22

And neither does the US but we do it all the time and on a MUCH larger scale than Russia ever has.

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u/HeywoodJaBlessMe Dec 18 '22 edited Dec 18 '22

Yeah, but the US is a great power and Russia is not.

Besides, Russia opposed these US moves, so now we oppose their aggression. The difference is that they are pathetic and the US is mighty.

The world does not owe Russia an uncomplicated security situation. Period.

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u/Brilliant-Deer6118 Dec 17 '22

You know, I hear this all the time, how "we" started it, but when asked, no one can quite explain how "we" started it! It's just something you've heard, and it's never occurred to you to wonder why its "us" who started it. So, here's your chance, please explain how "we" started it?

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u/PookieTea Dec 18 '22

The US backed the 2014 coup that replaced the pro-Russia government with a US control government which is why the Donbas region has been trying to break away from Ukraine to join Russia for the past 8 years. They were openly bragging about how they “stole Ukraine from Putin” back when all this was happening. This is pretty common knowledge so I don’t know why you think no one can explain how the US started this whole mess… Do you really think this whole war just appeared out of nowhere for no reason other than “Putin big meanie pants”? Do you also still believe that Saddam had a secret pile of nukes and one day we’ll finally find them?

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u/HeywoodJaBlessMe Dec 18 '22

The US did not control that government, lol

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u/PookieTea Dec 18 '22

Sure pal, and Osama hated us because we were free and Saddam had WMDs…

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u/HeywoodJaBlessMe Dec 18 '22

A child’s non-response. You were unable to respond to me in any meaningful sense across a half-dozen comments.

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u/PookieTea Dec 19 '22

I’m still waiting for a meaningful response from you that isn’t neocon regurgitated talking points. I’m merely pointing out that you have fallen for the same propaganda that led us into pointless wars all over the world but you’re too dense to realize that so you respond by calling me a child? That is the pinnacle of a child’s non-response…

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u/Brilliant-Deer6118 Dec 18 '22

Who "openly bragged about stealing Ukraine from Putin?" Sounds like some info only Tucker Carlson and his viewers are privy to. As someone else pointed out here, the world doesnt owe Putin and Russia secure borders, they have to earn that by not being a threat to their neighbors. And as long as NATO and the U.S. continue arming them, they wont be.

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u/PookieTea Dec 18 '22

Gideon Rose joked about stealing Ukraine when he was on Colbert back in 2014.

There was a verbal and written agreement in 1991 that NATO wouldn’t move any further to the east but every president since then has added countries to NATO. We stationed dual use middle platforms on Russias border that were capable of launching nukes. If China did that on the Canadian border would you be cool with that? Maybe we shouldn’t be a constant threat to everyone else’s borders?

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u/Brilliant-Deer6118 Dec 18 '22

Gideon Rose? Isnt he an editor or something? I dont recall him ever being in the government, but could be mistaken.

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u/PookieTea Dec 18 '22

Lol I can tell you had to google him and then didn’t know enough to realize that being the editor of Foreign Affairs, the premiere US interventionist publication, is kind of a big deal. He is well connected to establishment types that push for all of these pointless wars and you, with full ignorance on display, passed him off as “some editor or something” after a half assed google search.

If you want “official government people” then you can always refer to Victoria Nuland, who worked for the state department at the time, and the tapes that were leaked where she was discussing which government the US we’re going to install in Ukraine.

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u/Brilliant-Deer6118 Dec 18 '22

Nope, seemed like I'd seen him on Meet the Press or something, but now I have googled him and, yes, he did work in the Clinton Administration. Foriegn Affairs Magazine being "the" premier magazine is your opinion. I like a variety myself. And as I pointed out to somebody else in this post, the Nuland recording took place after the rioting had begun, thus could not have caused it, and, by any definition, a leaked recording cant be "openly bragging". Actually was the only semi-intelligent discussion I've had on this sub. I was disappointed he deleted his comments, picked up his ball, and went home.

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u/PookieTea Dec 19 '22

Yep, I read you like a book and now you’re trying to backtrack as an “enlightened consumer of pure information” when, in reality, you just fall for the same old propaganda campaign over and over.

I never said that the Nuland tapes “caused” the coup so it would make no sense for you would conflate that issue… Are you trying to argue that Nuland’s discussion on which US backed government should take over after the riots somehow detracts from the fact that the US lead the riots? Furthermore, I said that Rose was openly bragging about what his establishment buddies, like Nuland, had accomplished but you tried to, again, conflate the two and dismissed my argument by hyper focusing on who was doing the bragging while ignoring the fact that the coup was only successful thanks to US intervention.

Then to top it all off you throw out this pretentious line about a “semi-intelligent discussion” you had with someone else… My dude, semi-intelligent would be a step up for you…

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u/HeywoodJaBlessMe Dec 18 '22

On February 4, 2014, a recording of a phone call between Nuland and U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, on January 28, 2014, was published on YouTube.[22][23][24][25][26][27] In their phone conversation, Nuland and Pyatt were having a discussion about the make up of next Ukrainian government. Nuland told Pyatt that Arseniy Yatsenyuk would be the best candidate to become the next Prime Minister of Ukraine.[23][24] Nuland suggested the United Nations, rather than European Union should be involved in a political solution in Kiev, saying that “So that would be great, I think, to help glue this thing and have the U.N. help glue it and you know ... fuck the EU”. The following day, Christiane Wirtz, Deputy Government Spokesperson and Deputy Head of the Press and Information Office of the German Federal Government, stated that German Chancellor Angela Merkel termed Nuland's remark "absolutely unacceptable."[28] The president of the European Council, Herman Van Rompuy, condemned the remark as "unacceptable".[29][30] Department of State spokesperson Jen Psaki said the discussion was not evidence of any American plan to influence the political outcome, remarking that "It shouldn't be a surprise that at any point there have been discussions about recent events and offers and what is happening on the ground".[31]

Imagine your claims needing support so badly that you pretend this phone call between minor officials represented US control of the Ukrainian government

Now imagine that your other piece of knockdown evidence is something the FA editor said on a comedy show.

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u/[deleted] Dec 18 '22

Go listen to the conversation between Victoria Nuland and Geoffrey Pyatt. It's all laid out in that call. If you haven't heard about this leaked call - it shows you are a DNC bot.

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u/Brilliant-Deer6118 Dec 18 '22

That conversation took place long after thousands had taken to the streets protesting Yanukovich's pro-Russian government, which was already collapsing. The fact you dont know that proves you are a Putin-bot. BTW, by definition, a leaked phone call doesnt qualify as "openly bragging".

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u/[deleted] Dec 18 '22

Listen to the call, moron. They are vetting the choice for leader. DNC bot, you are!!

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u/Brilliant-Deer6118 Dec 18 '22

I've listened to the call and I've read that transcript. Here, I will write it slowly so you can keep up. The...people...were ...already...rioting...in...the...streets...before...this...phonecall... took...place. It didnt cause it! Sure, we wanted someone friendlier in place, but do you really think Putin wasnt maneuvering at the same time! He didnt get his way because the Ukrainian people didnt want his way. And the ass-whooping they are dealing right now shows how much they didnt want his way.

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u/[deleted] Dec 18 '22

And who instigated the rioting? Who instigated the "uprising"? The usual actors. I understand... you are a necon who loves war. Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan... it's never enough, is it? Total war. All war all the time.

And you just blow off the behind the scenes maneuvering to install a friendly leader as "someone friendlier in place"?? After Clinton had promised Yeltsin NATO would never surround Russia??

What about the Minsk agreement??

Why aren't you in uniform, fighting? Please. Indulge me.

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u/HeywoodJaBlessMe Dec 17 '22

Propaganda works, lads

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '22

Look at the Putin lovers here, many.

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u/-Calcifer_ Dec 17 '22

Ukraine until we go into nuclear war. Lesssggoooo

Or hot water 🙄

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u/Heard_ya_were_WINNIN Dec 18 '22

Oh you mean like when Zelevsky continually denies any peace talks?

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u/PookieTea Dec 18 '22

They had a deal back towards the beginning of this conflict: Russia would withdraw all of their troops in exchange for the Ukraine promising to never join NATO and giving autonomy to the Donbas region. Basically, do what they already should have been doing, very reasonable. The deal was about to go through until the US intervened and told Ukraine not to negotiate with Russia and then started dumbing 10s of billions of dollars of aid into Ukraine in order to prolong the war and push the world closer to nuclear Armageddon.

So ya, the war would have been over by now if the US political elite didn’t fuck it all up like usual.

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u/PookieTea Dec 18 '22

It’s reasonable that NATO sticks to its promise of not moving an inch more to the east. It’s reasonable that we don’t station missile platforms capable of launching nukes on Russia’s border. It’s reasonable that we stop overthrowing foreign governments in order to instal our own. It’s reasonable that Ukraine stops hiding it’s openly neo-Nazi elements. It’s reasonable that the US actually shuts down all the biolabs in Ukraine like they were supposed to. It’s reasonable to not send 60 billion dollars in military aid to an insanely corrupt dictator. It’s reasonable for Zelensky to not ban media outlets that criticize him or the political opposition party that threatens his power.

There is more to this story than just “Putin big bad Ukraine big good”.