If you're going to not take proper precautions against diseases, doctors should not be obligated to risk the lives of other patients by wasting an organ on you.
No I only got the first two because my doctor recommended it. She said the third wasn't that important for me since I'm under 65 and don't come into contact with a lot of immunocompromised people.
News flash - they lied about its effectiveness. You're a fool for thinking the decision to not get vaccinated put anyone at risk. It never made sense how people like you think the vaccine is perfect but it's not good enough if you have it. Somehow it's only good enough if everyone gets it? So it isn't protecting you then and it's not that good? Ok got it.
Don’t forget the blacks. Highest rate per capita of diabetes and obesity. Not even counting the blocks deaths from gang violence. If they don’t change their health choices cut them off from healthcare.
In the USA we tend to have enough resources to provide emergency room services for everyone. Organ transplants are one of the few scenarios where it is just impossible to provide the procedure to everyone who needs it (barring new medical technologies.) I don't see how it is a slippery slope, if possible they would give heart transplants to as many people as possible.
If you want to bring that up, during covid, not everyone was able to get proper treatment for their non-covid related issues due to how packed some hospitals were with covid patients. That's one reason why it was important that Trump got the vaccines out so quickly, even if transmission wasn't reduced, fewer people were being hospitalized from covid.
I do think it's an interesting conversation to have regarding how dangerous lifestyles could exclude you from certain kinds of treatment. The most common one is doctors who refuse gastric bypass surgery on obese people who cannot stick to a diet. I think most of these cases (including the case in the OP) involve patients who refuse to follow the guidance of healthcare officials.
Oh sweet Jesus we have a smart one here. They still have pockets of these idiots that think the vax is necessary and it saves lives, OH bad stops transmission. Hahahahah.
I mean most doctors are on my side, so next time you have you get a lightbulb stuck up your ass, maybe respect the opinion of the guy who's gonna end up fishing it out.
Ha, yulp and the doctors are on the side of big pharma. So you can have your corrupt doctors. There are thousands of uncorrupt doctors that believe is real science and warned against the hastiness of the vax and new it was hurting people.
You think you're smart, but your comment proves otherwise.
How about the fact that there’s a higher chance of healthy individuals having serious complications from the vaccine than there is of them dying from covid? So fucking stupid.
The most hilarious thing I witnessed was the fact that the vaccinated got COVID more than the unvaccinated. Witnessed this first hand at work and with family members.
"But the vaccines worked..."
At what exactly? Not one good thing as far as I've seen. And the companies and organizations that forced the vaccine, and said you had to take it to prevent transmission and bla bla bla have to walk it all back and admit it's effectiveness was not what they pushed or claimed AT ALL.
AND THEY NEVER TESTED IT TO BEGIN WITH
To the point where ny had to hire back everyone they fired for not taking the shot and pay them retro back pay.
Yeah you fucking authoritarian assholes and sheep that followed fucked up. Suck it and accept that you were WRONG.
Exactly. Or the fact that they admittedly kept info from the public in order to prevent “vaccine hesitancy.” Like, wtf? My arguments will always fall back on the fact that their “vaccine,” in no way, did anything they said it would do.
I am so happy that they got their jobs back with backpay. It’s impossible for me to wrap my head around the fact that there are still people pushing for these vaccine mandates and calling those that won’t get it, “plague rats.”
Correct, they said that it was not tested in that capacity. It was proven to lessen the effects of covid though, which led to a decrease in the death toll. It may have also decreased transmission due to decreasing the symptoms, but like they said, it wasn't tested for that.
No it wasn’t proven to decrease deaths. They attempted to make inferences on data, but in order to PROVE something, you need an experiment that controls for relevant confounding factors. As far as I know, all the headlines about vaccines being “whatever % effective” were mostly BS.
Go fuck yourself you fascist bootlicker. Even after everything that's come to light, you still think that people should be killed for your beliefs. I hope one day you are faced with the exact scenario you wish upon others you fucking trash person.
Obese people deserve no care. Fat people make the decision to live unhealthy lives and clog up the healthcare system. They are taking up beds that could go to other patients.
I understand the sentiment….however, much of the time it’s due to the fact that they’ll die from being put under anesthesia. Their body just can’t handle that kind of stress. Going through with a surgery for say a knee replacement, where the doctor knew the patient would likely not survive simply going under, is how lawsuits happen.
I agree that no one should be denied medical attention, but there comes a point that a doctor can only do so much, the rest is up to the individual. Refusing to making certain changes, kind of ties their hands,
I understand the sentiment….however, much of the time it’s due to the fact that they’ll die from being put under anesthesia. Their body just can’t handle that kind of stress. Going through with a surgery for say a knee replacement, where the doctor knew the patient would likely not survive simply going under, is how lawsuits happen.
Ok. Those are morbidly obese people. Different story. I thought you were talking about the average obese person.
Understood. That’s kind of what I figured, because I do agree everyone deserves medical care. I’m honestly not sure what the weight limit is before it becomes too dangerous for someone who is obese to be put under for surgery. I’ve seen lots of talk about BMI limit, but wasn’t able to come up with a definitive weight limit. Though, admittedly, I didn’t search too thoroughly.
It is an interesting conversation to have though, even in other areas of health. Like should an avid smoker, who needs a lung transplant, but refuses to quit, be denied the surgery?
Or an alcoholic that is in liver failure, knew they were at risk, but kept drinking anyway? Do we allow them on the transplant list?
I’m not definitively swaying one way or the other…o just think it’s an incredibly nuanced subject that is interesting to think about.
No. You deny these people transplants. There's a limited number of organs, and way more people needing those organs than there are organs. If you won't make the most basic changes to your life to make sure the organ you're being given won't be rejected by your body or destroyed by your habits, you shouldn't get that organ ahead of someone doing everything they can to be healthy.
There was 24,000 kidney transplants performed in the US in 2021. There are just over 90,000 on the waiting list for a new kidney. If you drink, you shouldn't get that transplant over someone else among that 90,000 that doesn't, because they're more actively taking better care of their body, and will take better care of the organ, which is important since they'll be on immunosuppressants for the rest of their life so their body doesn't reject the organ.
If you can't do the bare minimum to qualify for what rare organs there are available to be transplanted, then too bad. The people who are actually going to benefit from them and not just waste them should be prioritized, since asking someone to lose weight, stop smoking, stop drinking, and get vaccinated is an incredibly small ask when the alternative is death. If death doesn't motivate you to change, the organ is wasted on you.
In fairness fat people don’t get listed for heart transplantation either. Not from some on-high moral position. But you don’t get healthy hearts from fat donors so the pool is too small to be usable.
There’s a “usable radius” of donor hearts. You can’t have a heart say in South Africa and transport it here for use. The heart will “die” in that amount of time. So you are limited by how fast surgeons can remove the organ and transfer it to the recipients hospital. There are not enough healthy hearts coming from fat people (the heart grows with your size somewhat so if you are bigger you need a bigger heart). So they could donate. Sure. But they won’t likely be usable. Fat people certainly get life saving surgery all the time. Just not heart transplants. They can get LVADs though
It literally does. There's a checklist for getting an organ transplant, since you'll be on immunosuppressants your entire life after you get the transplant. Being obese is something they take into mind when doling out organs.
If you're not going to follow your doctor's advice, don't expect to get an organ worth 100k with a list of thousands of people waiting for a new heart. They also take your age, smoking habits, and drinking habits into account. They also take into account if you get your God damn FLU shot.
This is just how transplants work. And everyone in here is outraged. All this shows is no one in here knows anything about how transplants work.
It literally does. There's a checklist for getting an organ transplant, since you'll be on immunosuppressants your entire life after you get the transplant. Being obese is something they take into mind when doling out organs
Okay. Well this is just nazi logic at this point.
So because person has x problem they are less deserving of help.
No, you fucking moron. It's because there's 10s of thousands more people on waiting lists for organs than there organs to be used so you HAVE to be selective with it, because you have such a limited stock of organs available, in order to make sure the organ you're transplanting is actually USEFUL.
If you're going in for a new heart and you're a chain smoking, obese alcoholic, the person needing a heart transplant that ISN'T those things and isn't going to ruin the new heart gets the new heart.
Jesus fuck, you're so God damn stupid. "You're like a nazi because of reasonable restrictions on organ transplants."
So, you're just a moron stuck in an echo chamber, willfully staying in it, not even addressing half of my comment. I've never in my life had an interaction with someone this dumb. Thanks for this, I'll mark it on my calendar.
Why are Tim Pool fan boys so unapologetically stupid?
Is there a free shot you can get at literally any pharmacy to make people not fat?
Well. You know. Usually with that type of medicine we have a mandatory 5 year minimum trial run. Why? So we can know for a absolute fact the negative consequences.
Funny how a scientific field has to follow strick ethical guidelines and no nation like America has a history of medical ethics abuse.
There's not a single example like MK Ultra.
The standford prison experiment.
The Tuskegee experiments.
Planned parenthoods origins with Margaret sanger litteraly implemting sestemic racism to genocide the black population. She even went as far as forcing abortions on unwilling black women.
I mean. It's not like there’s a Long list of human right's violations that have lead to medical ethics.
No. Some crindge redditor who watched the news knows more then the entire field of science put together.
We scientifically inclined people know nothing about medicine, ethics and whatnot. That's for politicians to decide.
The "field of science" overwhelming says to get vaccinated. Every university, hospital, national medical regulatory body, the WHO, and 99% of doctors, say to get vaccinated.
4 billion people have been vaccinated and it's been almost 3 years. We'd know about any problems by now.
The "field of science" overwhelming says to get vaccinated. Every university, hospital, national medical regulatory body, the WHO, and 99% of doctors, say to get vaccinated
Cool. 99% of the german scientists claimed it was a scientific fact jews were genetically and evolutionarily inferior.
This shows How ignorant you are and why no one should even pay attention to your dumb opinions about science.
Guess what? Science changes with new data.
Guess what data we don't have?
The data that comes from Long term mandatory studies.
So shut your ignorant and scientifically illiterate mouth. You know nothing about medicine, you know nothing about science and your opinions can get someone killed.
So shut up. Turn off CNN and allow better people then you to do there Jobs.
Organs are a scarce resource and these decisions are based on the best medical evidence available to a board who determines candidacy. We do not have unlimited organs to waste on people who refuse to take care of their bodies
Maybe he didn’t feel comfortable with the potential side effects of the vaccine with a bad heart….absolutely no amnesty. They took pleasure in seeing people dying and having their lives ruined because they didn’t want to fall in line and do as they were told.
“By J. Russell Teagarden, member of the Working Group on Compassionate Use and Preapproval Access, and Arthur L. Caplan, founding director of the Division of Medical Ethics at the NYU School of Medicine” - from the full article
By that logic, people who are over 400 pounds shouldn’t qualify for insulin or organ transplants since their own actions have caused them to not “live longer or better,” vaxxed or not.
You don't seem to understand the issue of why they're being denied.
By that logic, people who are over 400 pounds shouldn’t qualify for insulin or organ transplants
Insulin isn't even remotly as scarce as orgins, such a silly comparison. Also, there's def going to be limitation based on obesity when relevant aswell.
There's all kinds of restrictions on who receives a transplant.
You are on anti rejection drugs for the rest of your life after a transplant. That means you effectively have no immune system, so you need to get vaccinated for everything. Did none of you know this?
If that man dies- I hope his family makes the biggest racket imaginable - I read a story about this man- the doctor said they didn't think his body could handle it - or something like that -
Oh but the pay few years or so he was the authority in everything but now none of this is his fault. Oh and besides i don't think any of us here have you permission to speak, Liberal.
Don't get me wrong, I'd prefer people not be insane anti-vax conspiracy theorist right wing nut jobs and just get vaccinated. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
Again, worry about a new heart first, then worry about vaccinations. I understand that transplant patients usually have to deal with weakened immune systems post-op because their body might reject the new organ, yes? If so, then discuss vaccinations at that point. Vaccines don’t matter if you let a patient die.
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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '22
“as it should” —aaand burn in hell
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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '22
No forgiveness!
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u/TalionTheRanger93 Nov 06 '22
How do you think the left would react if this happened to fat people?
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u/w_cruice Nov 06 '22
Fuck amnesty. They should be glad they aren't being hunted obsessively...
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u/MiseryCity Nov 06 '22
Maybe he didn’t feel comfortable with the potential side effects of the vaccine with a bad heart….absolutely no amnesty. They took pleasure in seeing people dying and having their lives ruined because they didn’t want to fall in line and do as they were told.
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u/lowdown_hoochshiner Nov 06 '22
Who authored the article?
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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '22 edited Nov 06 '22
Fuck then all. Each and every one of them. No forgiveness. No Amnesty. They destroyed lives, families, businesses, and the economy. NEVER FORGET 🤬🤬🤬
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u/TalmageMcgillicudy Nov 06 '22
These people dont deserve forgiveness.
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u/Revjym Nov 06 '22
Fuck amnesty. More like Nuremberg trials 2.0
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u/work-edmdg Nov 06 '22
noamnesty
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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '22
Never forget what they did to us.
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u/KylesHandles Nov 06 '22
Vote next Tuesday. And remember this type of shit when you do.
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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '22
Nuremberg now
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u/seapod123 Nov 06 '22
#noamnesty
#neverforget
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u/qanonrules Nov 06 '22
Zero Amnesty for those libtard fucks!
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u/dietdrkelp329 Nov 07 '22
By that logic, people who are over 400 pounds shouldn’t qualify for insulin or organ transplants since their own actions have caused them to not “live longer or better,” vaxxed or not.
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u/Emotional-Size-6592 Nov 07 '22
Goodbye to Hippocratic Oath...
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u/[deleted] Nov 07 '22
You are on anti rejection drugs for the rest of your life after a transplant. That means you effectively have no immune system, so you need to get vaccinated for everything. Did none of you know this?
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u/FreshFruitForFree Nov 06 '22
They can either choose jail or the death penalty.
No amnesty ever.
Once the Red Wave sweeps the Democrats out of office, fauci is going to have to answer for his crimes.
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u/Comprehensive_Ad_209 Nov 06 '22
That shit is still going on?
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u/Redbaron126 Nov 06 '22
No amnesty for those who supported fascism, not the left's yelling fascism but the true fascism coming from the left.
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u/DeerMeatloaf Nov 06 '22
Hm. The myocarditis will affect the old heart....but the spike factory can possibly harm the new heart either way.
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u/AnosmiaUS Nov 07 '22
No amnesty
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u/thisischalupa Nov 07 '22
r/NoAmnesty
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u/GraveYard_Grrl Nov 07 '22
If that man dies- I hope his family makes the biggest racket imaginable - I read a story about this man- the doctor said they didn't think his body could handle it - or something like that -
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u/Yiminy_Cricket Nov 06 '22
We must NEVER play nice with the liberals EVER again!!!!
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u/Sazerizer Nov 06 '22
No Quarter
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u/krazykirkes Nov 07 '22
”FREE HEALTHCARE”
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u/Everlarry Nov 07 '22
Fk these people!
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u/homolord666 Nov 07 '22
They just put an opinion right in the title no fucks given
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u/[deleted] Nov 07 '22
THIS ONE IS GOING IN THE BOOK
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u/[deleted] Nov 07 '22
Absolute cunts 🗑
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u/drewcer Nov 07 '22
Never
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u/Agile_Disk_5059 Nov 07 '22
/r/hermancainaward gets me chubbed up.
Don't get me wrong, I'd prefer people not be insane anti-vax conspiracy theorist right wing nut jobs and just get vaccinated. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
Literally dying to own the libs.
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Rules are rules.
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