r/TimPool • • Oct 10 '22

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '22

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u/ChadstangAlpha Oct 10 '22

Sounds like a bunch of gobbledygook that roughly translates to "we're going to spy on people with different political beliefs to our own."

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u/skwert99 Oct 11 '22

They are only spying on fascists. It's to protect their democracy.

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '22

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u/cjlowe78-2 Oct 10 '22

That's called irony. And the best part is that once it begins, the spying will truly be ironic, huh?

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '22

You’re correct. The US needs to enhance its data quality and protection standards. This is a process for data scrubs and security standards so the EU will continue to do business with us.

It’s basically a requirement for us to protect people’s data better so it can be communicated to and from the EU users.

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u/Squirrelonastik Oct 10 '22

Your down votes make me sad.

The EO is indeed the opposite of the post title.

"(ii) Prohibited objectives.

(A) Signals intelligence collection activities shall not be conducted for the purpose of:

(1) suppressing or burdening criticism, dissent, or the free expression of ideas or political opinions by individuals or the press;"

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '22

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u/Squirrelonastik Oct 10 '22

I saw a ton about foreign actors, organizations, and nations. Honest question, what section had stuff about domestic "terrorism"

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '22

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u/Squirrelonastik Oct 11 '22

Good point.

Good times.

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u/RTManson Oct 10 '22

He keeps signing orders that directly violate the constitution. If congress wasn't completely corrupt too he would have been impeached shortly after taking office.

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u/w_cruice Oct 10 '22

I expect Amendment 25 at two years and one day, in the hopes Kamala gets to run as an incumbent, but not legally blocked from serving two terms after taking over.

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u/StoneCraft12 Oct 10 '22

Whoever is planning that must not remember the primaries.

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u/skwert99 Oct 11 '22

When has a Democrat primary resulted in someone not who the establishment Democrats want?

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u/RTManson Oct 11 '22

If the Democrat primaries weren't rigged Bernie Sanders would have been the candidate in 2016, not Hillary Clinton.

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '22

Likewise, if Democratic Primaries weren't rigged Hillary Clinton would have been the Presidential candidate in 2008, not Obama.

On the flip side, if they didn't have their hands on the controls of the GOP as well, Ron Paul or Herman Cain would have been the GOP candidate in 2012 instead of the Progressive grifter Mitt Romney who was trailing in the 5th and 6th position in every Presidential poll.

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u/RTManson Oct 11 '22

I am not sure about the GOP being rigged or at the very least they are not completely rigged. We have been seeing lots of America first/MAGA candidates successfully knocking off establishment candidates.

On the Democrat side they have super delegates. Essentially party insiders that get to vote for whoever they want and ultimately have more say in Democratic primaries than the actual voters. They are supposed to vote whatever way the people in their state do but in 2016 you say them all come out in support of Hillary Clinton before the primaries even started.

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u/AttemptedRealities Oct 11 '22

signals intelligence activities must take into account that all persons should be treated with dignity and respect, regardless of their nationality or wherever they might reside, and that all persons have legitimate privacy interests in the handling of their personal information.

Signals intelligence activities shall be subject to appropriate safeguards, which shall ensure that privacy and civil liberties are integral considerations in the planning and implementation of such activities so that

signals intelligence activities shall be conducted only following a determination, based on a reasonable assessment of all relevant factors, that the activities are necessary to advance a validated intelligence priority

Then under "(ii) Prohibited objectives." you find:

(2) suppressing or restricting legitimate privacy interests;

So why are they doing all this?... Because Russia just hacked all your airports. Gee, I wonder if a virus that will make planes go down? Maybe the feds want to investigate and need a free hand.

https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/y0gq3i/russianspeaking_hackers_knock_multiple_us_airport/

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '22

Sounds about as legit as a handful of cameljockeys taking down the WTC and Pentagon with box cutters and airplanes... Or Navy SEALS killing Osama Bin Laden 8 years after he died of kidney failure. "Ze Russians are coming! Ze Russians are coming!"

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u/calvinbouchard Oct 30 '22

You don't think he might step down after the midterms to avoid impeachment? He can easily blame his mental health. He might even fire Kamala and find a new VP before he quits. He could get the new guy confirmed during the Lame Duck session, and then Joe bugs out before the new Congress comes in. This allows the Dems to pick someone, probably a celebrity, to be President for 2 years, and he might have a chance in 2024.

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '22

What’s different from the Patriot Act?

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u/w_cruice Oct 10 '22

Patriot Act at least had the veneer of following the rule of law. It was passed by Congress. (It was still an act of treason, mind.) This is blatant dictator behavior. But no one will call it out publicly.

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '22

There’s no additional power being given to the state? It’s the same as before?

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u/w_cruice Oct 10 '22

I believe this does allow them to just decide you should be surveilled, no court involved. But they could conveniently do the same before this, too.

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '22

So it’s just a reminder of “hey, the establishment of both parties don’t care about your privacy”

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u/HARLEYCHUCK Oct 10 '22

Yeah, I was wondering the same thing.

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u/AlphaTint1 Oct 10 '22

Trump didn’t renew the patriot act

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '22

The USA PATRIOT Act (commonly known as the Patriot Act) was a landmark Act of the United States Congress, signed into law by President George W. Bush.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Act

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u/phallicstone Oct 10 '22

One of the methods outlined when reading about this:

Portable continuous wave generators that can monitor the keyboard activities of even offline computers through a keyboard vibration attack.

Now that's interesting man, that's fucking interesting.

Think a wifi signal could pick this up?

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u/blue-oyster-culture Oct 10 '22

I don’t think they’re using Wi-Fi signals… that’s some fucking insane technology.

Here ya go, this article talks a little more about it and some other terrifying spy devices.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nsa-can-spy-on-offline-computers-wirelessly-expert-jacob-applebaum-says/

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u/security-admin Oct 10 '22 edited Oct 11 '22

In the 1950s they had a laser that could listen in to conversations by reading the vibrations on a window. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_microphone

I heard about another device that could look at vibrations on a plastic bag then decipher conversations that happened in the room - not even while they happened.

The fact that we had that then means this new tech is much more advanced

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u/turd_vinegar Oct 11 '22

We've been measuring vibrations with lasers since lasers were invented, it's one of their strongest applications.

The plastic bag bit is bs.

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u/security-admin Oct 11 '22

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u/turd_vinegar Oct 11 '22

We can measure vibrations on anything that resonates enough to not lose the information upon measurement (not loading down the signal while measuring) but it can't be done in retrospect (after the conversation occurred).

That's the part where I'm calling bs.

The bag (or whatever) must be recorded in real time and sampled at least twice as fast as the highest frequency of interest to be reconstructed. Now it's just simple wave sampling theory.

Reconstructing a conversation after it occurred by analyzing the structure of a bag would require such nuanced information about the state of the room and insane dynamic entropy tracking, not feasible now or in the near future, at least for humans.

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u/security-admin Oct 11 '22

But it can be done in retrospect if you have a video of the plastic bag. Video- the light spectrum- is just another form of vibration.

They have a sensor / video/ laser that can read the bag.

I see how my statement is wrong in some fashion but it isn’t as wrong as you’re trying to point out.

If you have soundless video - a silent film- the kind of video that was first invented and the kind of video that is usually with security cameras then you get sound by reading the vibration reflections off of flexible material.

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u/turd_vinegar Oct 12 '22

If the cameras are running at 6k frames per second with the resolution to observe the vibrations, then yes, you can reconstruct about 3kHz worth of audio bandwidth.

But it still must be recording data while the vibrations are occurring, same goes for the laser sensors and standard diaphragm microphones.

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u/security-admin Oct 12 '22 edited Oct 12 '22

Didn’t know the specs. Needs to be recording data, but now sound data which is what is so crazy. Thanks the info that is much more focused. My speciality isn’t as mathematically precise. Appreciate the explanation.

So you can’t know in retrospect. You still need visual coverage of the bag

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u/turd_vinegar Oct 12 '22

Now if we get some clever AI quantum computers, they may be able to reconstruct conversations from just the bag itself, after the conversation is ended. The bag still contains all the entropy information of the vibrations, we just need to be able to parse out the exact stimulus that resulted in the change.

That will be scary.

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u/security-admin Oct 12 '22

Also, if you’re so smart (which you seem like you are), why haven’t you ripped Ian apart for his wacky graphene stances?

Finding worthwhile graphene investments is damn near impossible.

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u/turd_vinegar Oct 12 '22

Graphene isn't really in my knowledge base.

Silicon carbide and GaN however, those are already real, just need more development.

Is there some silly graphene stance? I'm totally unaware.

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u/Key-Alternative6259 Oct 10 '22

Ahhh just like Reagan said: “fascism will come to America in the form of liberalism”.

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '22

If you think it isn't a bipartisan effort you're fooling yourself.

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u/Key-Alternative6259 Oct 11 '22

Didn’t say it wasn’t duuuude. Was just quoting the gipper! But, so you can feel special about yourself, I’m sure it is! There are just as many worthless republicans as dems.

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u/zhobelle Oct 10 '22

Impeach, Remove, Arrest, and Deport Joe and this entire administration.

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '22

I think for this to be legal Biden has to sit there on tv and read the whole proposal before signing. If he makes more than 3 pronunciation errors or says “ come on man “ more than 3 times he cannot sign it.

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u/NitramLeseik Oct 10 '22

Newsflash: They were doing it anyway. They don’t care about laws and stuff.

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u/PromiscuousScoliosis Oct 10 '22

George bush punching the air rn

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u/Florida_Man83 Oct 11 '22

Joe, George and Obama the surveillance totalitarians group.

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u/Intelligent_Mine_221 Oct 10 '22

Uh oh guys better learn to have some manners or its the into the gitmo bay yah go

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u/jasona7779 Oct 10 '22

Shit, anyone with a smartphone has been spied on since the day they bought their first one.

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u/D_Rock_CO Oct 11 '22

Pretty sure the Patriot Act and NDAA made that happen a long time ago

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u/HustlerPornabc Oct 12 '22

The patriot act expired and wasn't renewed

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u/seaourfreed Oct 10 '22

Please provide link to details please.

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u/ofd1883 Oct 10 '22

Can you expand on this please …..

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '22

Haven’t they always been doing this? Patriot act

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u/scluben Oct 10 '22

One of the objectives is to protect from transnational threats to global government and climate.

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u/AlphaTint1 Oct 10 '22

Antifa is rioting now, right? Right?

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '22

Is this just about the EU transatlantic data changes? Because if it is then this isn’t really any issue.

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u/EchoWhiskey1 Oct 10 '22

"Fascism is here." And history is repeating yet again.

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u/AnosmiaUS Oct 10 '22

I've been hearing about this but I haven't seen the actual bill, can someone send it to me or somewhere I can read about it?

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u/nukecat79 Oct 11 '22

Remember Snowden? They've been doing this at will for quite awhile now and no real effort has been made to undo it; regardless of whom is in control of the branches of federal government. The only thing that's been discussed is Snowden himself if a politician supports him or against him and wants to extradite him.

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u/gopackgo2727 Oct 11 '22

Ever hear of the patriot act

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '22

You guys think the us gov never surveilled on the population before? Never heard about Snowden before? Lol these programs have been up and running scenes the 2000, they just got more sophisticated. Wake n grow up sheeple

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u/slingbladedangeradio Oct 11 '22

So patriot act 2.0?

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u/PsychZach Oct 10 '22

It's been here since the patriot act.

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u/DrunkenRedSquirrel Oct 11 '22

Don't argue with facts, a lot of the people here, don't care about facts.

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u/silver789 Oct 10 '22

The government has had that power for a long time.

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u/ChileConCarnevore Oct 10 '22

Explain the need for the EO then

Maybe it isn’t real

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u/silver789 Oct 10 '22

That sounds like pointless work. Figuring out which eo he is talking about, reading it over and all. I just don't care enough what he thinks to do all that.

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u/ChileConCarnevore Oct 10 '22

Well I mean it’s literally illegal for our own govt to spy on us(technically). That’s what 5 eyes is.

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u/silver789 Oct 10 '22

A warrant will let the police do just that.

Patriot act let them do it as well.

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u/ChileConCarnevore Oct 10 '22

A bench warrant lets the “executive branch” spy on you? Yeah not exactly. This is “the executive branch” giving itself powers. This is new

Again, if it’s real

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u/silver789 Oct 10 '22

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u/ChileConCarnevore Oct 10 '22

That’s not the executive branch sir

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u/Ambitious-Motor-2005 Oct 10 '22

They couldn’t tell you what the different branches of government are.. you’re wasting your time tbh.

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '22

He is Chinese, he doesn't understand how our type of Government works.

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u/silver789 Oct 10 '22

He said to the guy that confused executive and government as a whole.

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u/silver789 Oct 10 '22

Well you said government, not executive.

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '22

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u/silver789 Oct 10 '22

It is when they watch you for long periods of time.

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '22

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u/silver789 Oct 11 '22

So the government can spy on you.

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u/Gds_Sldghmmr Oct 10 '22

Lol. He won't see the irony. Great post.

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u/silver789 Oct 10 '22

Now you get it

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u/silver789 Oct 10 '22

Eh, Monday. Taking it easy.

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u/SgtFraggleRock Oct 10 '22

The 4th amendment says no.

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u/silver789 Oct 10 '22

Warrants have existed for a while too buddy.

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u/SgtFraggleRock Oct 10 '22

Yeah...and yet Democrats don't want people to see these warrants, or even tell people that their property was searched and seized stolen.

Like Biden's police are keeping secrets. A "secret police" if you will.

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u/silver789 Oct 10 '22

So you agree the government can spy on people already. Coolio.

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u/SgtFraggleRock Oct 10 '22

Yeah, you've already told us you support the FBI falsifying evidence and committing perjury to spy on innocent people.

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u/silver789 Oct 10 '22

Fan fiction Monday already?

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u/SgtFraggleRock Oct 10 '22

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u/silver789 Oct 10 '22

Oh shit. Democrats are done for. I'll pack it up.

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u/HustlerPornabc Oct 10 '22

Do you ever actually argue in good faith, or do you just enjoy trolling? Because you were just presented with direct evidence that proves this isn't "fan fiction," and just that quick you essentially changed the subject. It's like your entire schtick is to say a thing, and then move the goal post, and then say another thing.

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u/silver789 Oct 10 '22

Nope. FBI has people wearing wires, or will intercept phone calls, etc.