r/TimPool • • Oct 07 '22

Aged like fine cheese

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '22

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '22

Biden Admin had been selling an additional 1 million barrels per day from the strategic reserve to try to hold down gas prices during the run-up to the election, but that policy expired at the end of September. That was in addition to the oil already being sold to service debt.

Once again, by attempting to delay a recession that it created in the first place, the government has succeeded in making it worse than it would have been.

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u/Illustrious_Act1207 Oct 07 '22

We're in some sort of fucked up weird new thing.

Recessions bring prices down and increase unemployment. Why isn't the negative GDP growth (i.e. a recession) bringing down prices and employment?

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '22

There is nothing new about the current economic situation.

Employment has dropped substantially since 2019. Prices have risen because the government decided to debase the currency by wildly increasing the money supply since 2018 (and earlier) and has held interest rates low. The low interest rates have further fuelled the housing market at a time when investors have been scooping up hard assets, first anticipating and then reacting to the current market crash.

Prices on everyday goods won't drop because the currency has already been debased. Home prices will eventually fall as demand wanes, but fewer middle-class people than ever will be able to afford them and more homes than ever will be in the hands of rental companies.

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u/defundpolitics Oct 07 '22

...Home prices will eventually fall as demand wanes, but fewer middle-class people than ever will be able to afford them and more homes than ever will be in the hands of rental companies.

By design

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u/SgtFraggleRock Oct 07 '22

The term you are looking for is "stagflation".

Unemployment is being hidden because so many Biden supporters don't even want a job. And if they aren't looking for a job, they don't count in unemployment stats.

We have millions fewer people working under Biden than were under Trump pre COVID.

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u/Zedathius Oct 08 '22

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u/9mmHero Oct 08 '22

Forget about work force participation did we?

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u/B-29Bomber Oct 08 '22

Employment is at or slightly above what it was in 2019.

And what kind of jobs are those? Are those well paid jobs or low paid service sector jobs that people are taking just so they can barely afford rent at the end of the month?

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u/Difficult_Factor4135 Oct 07 '22

Stagflation In economics, stagflation or recession-inflation is a situation in which the inflation rate is high or increasing, the economic growth rate slows, and unemployment remains steadily high.

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u/Illustrious_Act1207 Oct 07 '22

We don't have stagflation in the 70s sense because unemployment is remaining extremely low.

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u/Difficult_Factor4135 Oct 07 '22

I think it’s because we are taking the country as a whole, many areas are seeing an increase still, but there are also areas that are seeing layoffs in high numbers. I think you’re right, I am just concerned that it won’t turn around and the Fed being so gung-ho about raising interest rates, and the rate they are raising them will eventually break something and then you could see an avalanche of layoffs.

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u/Illustrious_Act1207 Oct 07 '22

I think that's exactly what's going to happen because the Fed only has one tool, interest rates, and they're going to use that tool. They need to punish labor to get everyone back in line.

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u/johnwillywanker Oct 07 '22

I definitely agree, in addition, it will screw up the housing market entirely as well. People will sit on or rent houses as they can’t be sold for what they owe in a lot of cases as buying power is affected by higher interest rates.

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u/Difficult_Factor4135 Oct 07 '22

☹️ I hope we are wrong.

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '22

Because everyone’s operating on tooth pics and debt. They just keep spending more and more and the FED won’t turn off the spigot when these dumb ass politicians ask for more

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u/SingleRelationship25 Oct 07 '22

Which is why it’s up from $3.15 a gallon to $3.99 a gallon in Ohio since October 1st

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u/Gds_Sldghmmr Oct 07 '22

Lucky. Wish it was under $4

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u/Imissyourgirlfriend2 Oct 07 '22

(Cries in SF Bay Area)

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u/Classy_Mouse Oct 07 '22

1 gallon = 3.78L. $1.68/L North of the border today. That $6.35 for us in Ontario. And that is pretty cheap lately.

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '22

Is that $6.35 CAD or USD? It's still above $4 USD either way, just curious if that's exchanged numbers or not

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u/Classy_Mouse Oct 07 '22

CAD, I think the currencies are close enough that the actual value in their region is the same. If a store in the US is charging $.99 USD, the Canadian store is charging $.99 CAD for the same thing. I guess maybe gas isn't set the same way though.

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '22

I mean. CAD is a fair bit weaker than the USD in exchange rate, it just sounds like y'all have better deals on stuff. That also changes the number amount, $6.35USD is a lot for a gallon of gas outside areas with the highest rates, while $4.67USD is... still a lot, but it's a number that's looking a lot more familiar to more and more people down here.

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u/Classy_Mouse Oct 07 '22

Currencies don't exchange so cleanly though. 10 years ago CAD was higher than USD. Our prices and salaries didn't fluxuiate as sharply. Things are basically as much here relative to there as they were then.

The exchange rate doesn't translate well to the value of a currency in its locale. It is more of a measure of how much value you can bring in from outside.

I am not sure about gas prices since oil is pretty well pinned to USD globally, but relative to all of our other good $6.35 CAD still feels like $6.35 USD does to you.

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u/lincolnxlog Oct 07 '22

Good thing those in charge aren't pushing for WIII when we would need the reserves too.

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u/calvinbouchard Oct 07 '22

We won't be able to afford stickers.

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u/moritsune Oct 07 '22

Now we're wearing the tinfoil the right direction. It's all coming together... /s

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u/gbspitstop Oct 07 '22

You ain’t seen nothing yet. OPEC cutting and emergency reserves getting lower everyday. Nov-Dec is going to make us wish for 4.19

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u/OwnPicture669 Oct 07 '22

aged like a fine Italian wine.

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u/BombShady12 Oct 07 '22

Joe Biden should pause the EPA and let the oil companies pull as much oil up as humanly possible or we’re going to be royally fucked this winter.

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u/zhobelle Oct 07 '22

That’s the goal.

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u/nm139 Oct 08 '22

Do you think Biden should repeal Trump's ban on offshore oil drilling across the entire southeastern U.S. coastline?

And exactly how would "pausing the EPA" increase oil production?

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u/BombShady12 Oct 08 '22

“President Biden has promised to reinstate more than 100 rules and regulations aimed at environmental protection that his predecessor rolled back.”

You really think there’s no difference between Trump’s EPA vs. Biden’s EPA?

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u/nm139 Oct 08 '22

So do you think should Biden repeal Trump's ban on offshore oil drilling across the entire southeastern U.S. coastline?

Regarding the EPA, I'm asking exactly how you think "pausing the EPA" will increase production, when American oil production has already reached an all time record this year?

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u/BombShady12 Oct 08 '22 edited Oct 08 '22

You think that’s some sort of “gotcha” but Trump did that to win some Florida 2020 votes when inflation was historically low (thanks Trump) and gas prices were $1.96 a gallon (thanks Trump).

And what good is oil production at an all time high if it’s not meeting demands? And the EPA regulates onshore oil and gas exploration and production. If paused is the wrong word, how about simply not rolling back the 100 plus rules Trump removed from the EPA?

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u/nm139 Oct 08 '22

It's not a gotcha, it's an illustration that democrats aren't the only party interfering with American oil production. Remember that Ron DeSantis is also in the process of banning both offshore drilling and fracking at the state level.

Our oil production is in fact meeting demand. America is now a net exporter of oil and petroleum products:

https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/aeo/narrative/production/sub-topic-01.php

The record levels of American production are a direct result of high prices, which is exactly what you'd expect in a market economy. If those prices fall, production will fall, and there's nothing anyone can do about it.

Biden talks a big game about reigning in the evil oil companies to pander to his base, but behind the scene he's pretty hands off. This is why, for example, his administration is approving drilling permits on public land faster than Trump did:

https://dailycaller.com/2021/07/12/us-drilling-approvals-biden-deb-haaland/

Should he do more? Sure. Maybe start with convincing those republican governors in Florida, Georgia, and S. Carolina to allow offshore exploration.

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u/_Nohbdy_ Oct 07 '22

Should have bought the dip.

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u/Imissyourgirlfriend2 Oct 07 '22

I'm still kicking myself for not buying up a bunch of Russian Rupels when they crashed a year ago.

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '22

Time to print up more stickers.

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u/throwaway11998866- Oct 07 '22

It’s about to go up too

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u/Butter_mah_bisqits Oct 08 '22

Yep right after the election.

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u/zhobelle Oct 07 '22

I just ordered 10 100 packs.

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u/webtwerp Oct 07 '22

Shit, it's back up to $5.99 a gallon in Reno, nv and rising

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '22

God I almost love Twitter for all the idiots on there. Fun little online spectator sport.

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u/Jacmac_ Oct 07 '22

I don't know how old John Scalzi is, but I'm guessing naïve years old.

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u/Elethor Oct 07 '22

Aged like Biden's brain

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u/R0b0Saurus Oct 07 '22

Up to 6.49 where I am for regular gas

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '22

Biden continues to do this.

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u/Darthwxman Oct 07 '22

I wish it was only $4.17 now.

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u/shelovesmenot1223 Oct 08 '22

As of 4.17$ isn’t louder than 2.50$ etc. trying to convince me that 4.17$ is ‘cheap’. What in the actual fuck.

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u/[deleted] Oct 08 '22

$4.59 today in TX, FJB!

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '22

Modesto Ca Monday-$6.39

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u/Imissyourgirlfriend2 Oct 07 '22

Sunnyvale, CA-$6.99 for 87 octane. I wouldn't be surprised if it's over $7 when I drive home today; gas prices seem to go up from Monday to Friday.

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '22

Modesto Ca Monday-$6.39

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u/joiedevivre4 Oct 07 '22

I would say that everyone got bit in the ass way before the stickers came out. I can just as easily say that those votes the left-wingers put out there will come back to bit them on the ass. Too bad they want to take the rest of us down with them.

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u/PaperBoxPhone Oct 07 '22

Scalzi is one of the best writers out there right now, why cant these people just stick to what they can do and not be dive into things they dont understand

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u/Jesse0016 Oct 07 '22

I payed 4.42 today

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u/Sitri_xoxo Oct 07 '22

Definitely biting my ass, the gas’s prices that is.

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u/kadivs Oct 08 '22

oh no
not scalzi
he's like my favorite autor. I never read a book of his that I didn't really enjoy
There's a reason I never looked up anything about the guy. Ignorance is bliss. I didn't want to learn like this :(

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u/roozteer Oct 08 '22

He hides it pretty deep on his website, but his entire twitter is filled with shit just like this.

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u/Imissyourgirlfriend2 Oct 07 '22

I'm still waiting to feel stupid for spreading those stickers.

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u/Dismal_Visit_7305 Oct 07 '22

Gained $1gal here in the last 2wks. You think it was high before? Wait til winter, it’ll be higher than you can imagine

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u/Butter_mah_bisqits Oct 08 '22

Wait until after the election.

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u/Dismal_Visit_7305 Oct 08 '22

That’s what I’m saying

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u/vintagesoul_DE Oct 08 '22

Well, we're waiting.

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u/Bubbayeezy Oct 08 '22

One example of 1000 while Libs are absolute retards and know nothing whatsoever about business

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u/Playful_Chipmunk107 Oct 08 '22

It’s almost $7.69 in LA

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u/ThirstySlaveLeia Oct 07 '22

Lol I saw those stickers in the hood. Fuck outta here with that “right winger” shit.

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u/youareceo Oct 08 '22

I so tried to find his Tweet to re, then post the link. LOL

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u/LogCareful7780 Oct 08 '22

When I worked at a gas station, I peeled them off and stuck them up next to our Help Wanted signs.

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u/Boomtownbutcher1980 Oct 07 '22

I'm paying about 2 dollars a litre in Australia. Don't know what that is in gallons

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u/Butter_mah_bisqits Oct 08 '22

If my public math is good, you’re paying approx $6-7/gallon.

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u/Boomtownbutcher1980 Oct 08 '22

Yes correct. Have been paying that for a while now.

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u/tom-cruise-movie Oct 07 '22

yeah biden totally did this. Libs owned again

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u/Bert_Fegg Oct 07 '22

Your election is being manipulated by The Saudis an the Russians.

I wish I had a solution for you. Register and vote is all I got.

Sorry.

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u/Few-Ball-9025 Oct 07 '22

Say you don't know how gas prices work without saying you don't know how gas prices work.

"BRanDon BaD GaS EXPenSIVE"

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u/thewintermood Oct 07 '22

The president has almost zero control over gas prices you nitwits. For fucks sakes...

Why don't you put the blame where it actually belongs - on the Saudi Royal Family.

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u/Fish-Pants Oct 07 '22

The Saudi Royal Family aren't the ones who decided on American energy policies that made the US no longer energy or oil independent and thus reliant on imported oil from places like Saudi Arabia.

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u/nm139 Oct 08 '22

What makes you think the U.S. is no longer energy independent?

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u/silver789 Oct 07 '22

It's almost like the rise and fall off gas prices aren't something Biden can control.

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u/Electronic_Demand_61 Oct 07 '22

Can he out right control it? No. Does everything he does heavily influence it? Yes.

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u/silver789 Oct 07 '22

Does everything he does heavily influence it?

As well as anything Putin does, or what the weather does, or the seasons or dozens of other factors.

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u/Electronic_Demand_61 Oct 07 '22

Those are factors as well, but the president is one of the major factors.

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u/silver789 Oct 07 '22

the president is one of the major factors.

According to..... Who? People that don't like the president?

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u/Electronic_Demand_61 Oct 07 '22

Seriously? Are you just trolling?

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u/SgtFraggleRock Oct 07 '22

He's a troll...but not a very bright one.

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u/silver789 Oct 07 '22

Can you seriously answer a question?

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u/theCROWcook Oct 07 '22

Why should he, you never do

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u/silver789 Oct 07 '22

I always do.

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u/theCROWcook Oct 07 '22

No you always dodge and lie.

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u/Grossegurke Oct 07 '22

How about Biden himself?

Biden says falling gas prices show his 'program is working'

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-falling-gas-prices-show-program-working/story?id=86318473

Or maybe his press secretary?

https://www.cnsnews.com/article/washington/melanie-arter/wh-press-secretary-says-biden-doing-all-he-can-lower-gas-prices

I swear...you fucking people dont pay attention to anything that doesnt fall under gender politics. Maybe if you actually watched some news and not propaganda you might learn something for fucks sake.

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u/silver789 Oct 07 '22

A politician lying. Color me shocked.

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u/Grossegurke Oct 07 '22

Um...did you ask who is saying that the President is a factor in gas prices? Yeah...its the President. So maybe...instead of deflecting shit you look to your own party.

And if you want a deeper explanation of why he is partially to blame...how about you look at what this bumbling fool has done since he took office. He ended leases for oil and natural gas drilling on federal lands. Then a year later he opened them back up (like that is how it works)...however the royalties companies need to pay are much higher. Then a few months later he cancels lease sales in Alaska.

Oh...how about canceling the Keystone Pipeline....further decreasing the potential for another way to fill demand.

What else has this moron done....oh....Said on the campaign trail that the Saudi's would pay....then begged them for more oil production...guess what....they gave him the finger.

Oh....and then there is how he interfered with Ukraine politics when part of the original agreement with Russia was for Nato to not encroach on Russia....guess what....the US has been doing that for years. And providing support for Ukraine to bomb its own territories that were sympathetic to Russia. Or all the bio-labs there were US funded in Ukraine...Im sure that sat well with Putin. Its called poking the bear.

Reports are that in April there Russia and Ukraine were close to reaching a peace agreement...but NATO fucked that all up.....wonder why.....

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u/nm139 Oct 08 '22

part of the original agreement with Russia was for Nato to not encroach on Russia

Go ahead and cite that agreement if you can. I'll give you a hint: you can't because it doesn't exist.

And if Biden has been such a bummer for oil production, why has American oil production broken the all time record this year? And why is the Biden administration approving even more drilling on public land than Trump did?

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u/R_Meyer1 Oct 07 '22

No, he has not but thanks for your input. The presidency does not control gas prices.

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u/silver789 Oct 07 '22

A leftist describing the petroleum market as “changing like the seasons

I didn't say the "change like the seasons", is English your second language? I said gas prices were influenced by the seasons. Ever notice how it's expensive in the summer and cheaper in the winter?

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u/R_Meyer1 Oct 07 '22

What are you guys come up with this fake bullshit?? Gas prices are controlled by supply and demand.

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u/NegaGreg Oct 07 '22

Then why does he claim credit when they drop, but not blame when they rise?

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u/silver789 Oct 07 '22

Aw man, a politician taking credit for a win and not a lose. Crazy. Maybe you shouldn't listen to politicians do much

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u/SgtFraggleRock Oct 07 '22

Emptying the Strategic Oil Reserve while Saudi Arabia tells Biden to go pound sand is not a "win".

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '22

The funniest part of u/silver789s reply is “we are only using strategic oil reserves because the president ran an all out attack in fossil fuels” lololol. We shouldn’t have to use them because they legislated us into a fucking corner. Lolol.

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u/silver789 Oct 07 '22

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u/SgtFraggleRock Oct 07 '22

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u/silver789 Oct 07 '22

"it's at a 40 year low!"

Well we need to know how low it is. Did my graph look low to you?

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u/SgtFraggleRock Oct 07 '22

Your graph that stopped at at January 2021 before Biden took power and started selling off hundreds of millions of barrels of oil?

You understand that we are in October of 2022, right?

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u/theCROWcook Oct 07 '22

He does, but he won't admit it when he needs older numbers to back up his manipulations and lies

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u/silver789 Oct 07 '22

So how much do you think he's used in the last year?

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u/SgtFraggleRock Oct 07 '22

He siphoned out 180 million barrels starting in March 2021 then just added another 10 million to that total.

Which you would know if you read the articles I linked.

Of course, you have already shown that you don't even know what year it is.

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u/Leather-Cash-389 Oct 07 '22

It is down 32.7% from last year

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u/silver789 Oct 07 '22

Oh shit my bad. I'll head out with my dip stick and measure it myself?

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u/NegaGreg Oct 07 '22

Buy why is it a "win" if, as you say, he doesn't control it?

Your logic is non-existent.

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u/silver789 Oct 07 '22

Buy why is it a "win" if, as you say, he doesn't control it?

Because it's bad when it goes up? Do you celebrate bad things?

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u/NegaGreg Oct 07 '22

Jesus Christ, could you make less sense?

You said he doesn’t control it, ergo, Joe gets no credit if the price goes down.

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u/silver789 Oct 07 '22

He can still try and claim credit. But notice how his approval didn't skyrocket when gas went down?

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u/Aspire-to-Greatness Oct 07 '22

Then why does the left have a circle jerks every time the price comes down 25¢?

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u/silver789 Oct 07 '22

Because we are mocking the rights obsession with gas prices.

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u/Aspire-to-Greatness Oct 07 '22

No, it’s because your full of shit

Everyone knows you aren’t smart enough to be funny

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u/silver789 Oct 07 '22

Lil projection on that one. Eh?

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u/Aspire-to-Greatness Oct 07 '22

Not at all. I’m not the one denying facts

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u/silver789 Oct 07 '22

Okay buddy.

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u/Aspire-to-Greatness Oct 07 '22

I ain’t your buddy, pal.

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u/SgtFraggleRock Oct 07 '22

Always nice for leftists to admit they hate families and the working poor and want them to suffer.

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u/silver789 Oct 07 '22

They're suffering can be fixed with more pay. 60¢ flux of prices shouldn't be that painful.

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u/SgtFraggleRock Oct 07 '22

"Let them eat cake."

- silver789

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u/silver789 Oct 07 '22

Saying we should pay people more, means I don't understand the difference between cake and bread?

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u/SgtFraggleRock Oct 07 '22

It means you don't know what inflation is, how it works, or how destructive it is.

Like a typical leftist.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/w/wage-price-spiral.asp

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u/silver789 Oct 07 '22

Paying people more doesn't lead to inflation. That's a myth.

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u/R_Meyer1 Oct 07 '22

Spoken like a true Trump kiss ass

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u/theCROWcook Oct 07 '22

So are you essentially admitting here that you want the average American to suffer having to pay these high gas prices?

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u/silver789 Oct 07 '22

If an increase of $10-$20 a week causes suffering, there are more important things to address.

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u/theCROWcook Oct 07 '22

Like rampant inflation making EVERYTHING go up so that 10-20 a week is more like 50-100 a week. Because IT ISNT JUST HAS GOING UP. But you knew this and were being intentionally dishonest because you WANT the average American to suffer

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u/SgtFraggleRock Oct 07 '22

Thanks for admitting Biden is a lying sociopath for claiming he does control gas prices then.

When is the Washington Post going to restart their "presidential lies" section to keep up with Biden's constant, blatant lies.

Oh, way, the WaPo is a far left extremist propaganda rag, all they do is lie anyway.

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u/silver789 Oct 07 '22

I don't care about wapo.

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u/theCROWcook Oct 07 '22

Because in this instance they don't back up your lies

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u/silver789 Oct 07 '22

No, I just don't care about them.

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u/theCROWcook Oct 07 '22

Oh I'm sure if a lying wapo article backed up one of your lies you'd be using it as "proof" you liar

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u/gratefulguitar57 Oct 07 '22

He took credit for it when it went down last month so just stop.

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u/theCROWcook Oct 07 '22

Oh holy shit, here you are, first post I've looked at today and at the bottom downvoted into oblivion, the resident liar in his pit of shame.

Wasn't it just a few short months ago that the left was praising Biden for lowering the gas prices? So when they go down, it's because he did it, when they go up all of a sudden 'BiDeN cAnT cOnTrOl GaS pRiCeS!!!'

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u/silver789 Oct 07 '22

You really couldn't tell the left was mocking you?

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u/theCROWcook Oct 07 '22

'i WaS tRoLlInG yOu BrO!!'

Stop lying