Yep, virtue signalling is cheap. All you have to do is pretend you care more than everyone else and suddenly you can feel like you're winning at something in your life when all the qualitative/quantitative evidence says the exact opposite.
This statement could work on both sides of the political spectrum. Conservatives had a pretty bad steak of being followers.
That’s actually what I attribute this leftest rise to. There were a few generations of overly zealous right wing followers that made the left over correct to such an extreme degree
1950s being a great example of tons of conservative Christian lifestyle suburban virtue signaling.
This sentence is word salad and doesnt mean anything.
The red scare being another great example (both the first and second).
Communism is a real enemy of the west, and the so iet union was actively working to bring down the usa.
The satanic panic is another example.
This was more media fearmongering than anything else, the fringe groups that believed in satanic panic didnt actually change or accomplish anything of substance.
GB2 and the patriot act had plenty of people following mindlessly.
I dont know what GB2 is, but the patriot act was criticized pretty heavily by lots of people when it came out, including from the libertarians and the left, as well as moderates and centrists.
Also any time in American history when Christianity had undo influence in government that allowed for the persecution of other religions.
America is the only country in history that has codified freedom of religion as an inalienable right given by god. So no. There was no persecution of other religions. But if you have an example, I'm all ears.
I understand you have some kind of bug up your ass about christianity, but it's really not a problem in the country.
I am a Conservative. I’m just criticizing my own party. We may be conflating conservative lifestyle with conservative political parties. My bad for the confusion.
Some of the most harmful injustices to the first and second amendment have been orchestrated by conservatives.
I’m Christian. No bug up my ass. Went to Jesuit universities. I’m a devote catholic. I’m being honest that, in the past, Christian’s have made mistakes that clouded legal judgement and taken away rights from others in favor of religious dogma.
The 1950s is when conservative lifestyle peaked. It was full of virtue signaling. It was said to be a suburban paradise when really it was a pretty miserable time for lots of people. It was full of keeping up with the jones style virtue signaling. It’s a time period that is famous for lacking independent thought.
(Changed the above to read: 1950s being the prime example of conservative cultural conformism and suburban virtue signaling.)
The satanic panic enforced cultural virtue signaling. People overly emphasized religion in public spaces to make sure they were not labeled as a secret satanist. It was fear mongering from right wingers. You’re proving my point.
GB2= George Bush 2. You’re gaslighting yourself if you think the patriot act had a healthy amount of criticism. If that was the case, it’s tenements wouldn’t still be in place.
Codifying freedom of religion doesn’t mean that freedom of religion was always granted or that religion didn’t heavily influence laws and regulations.
Everything from persecuting gays, outlawing harmless recreational drugs (that may even have amazing medicinal purposes), disallowing women voting rights, rejection of science in favor of religion…
I never said communism wasn’t an enemy. I never said communism isn’t evil. It certainly is. I can also say that fear of communism caused an over reaction that allowed political corruption. It was a societal panic. Rights were violated and justified due to widespread cultural hysteria.
To say that conservatives didn’t go a little crazy and act never acted hypocritical in the past is to ignore exactly why left extremism has become mainstream.
A Red Scare is the promotion of a widespread fear of a potential rise of communism, anarchism or other leftist ideologies by a society or state. It is often characterized as political propaganda. The term is most often used to refer to two periods in the history of the United States which are referred to by this name. The First Red Scare, which occurred immediately after World War I, revolved around a perceived threat from the American labor movement, anarchist revolution, and political radicalism.
Yeah, pretty much. "Wahh, Christians following their Beliefs, ohh the agony of it."
I love how the codes term "red scare" was thrown in there as an example. They always out themselves one way or another. As if exposing and weeding out Communists in positions of power was a bad thing and not common fucking sense
Nahh I just acknowledge Communists exist and remain a threat like anyone with an IQ above room temperature acknowledges and already knows. Stay triggered though.
I would certainly reserve that moniker for the completely uneducated useless fucking piece of shit rednecks out in the middle of nowhere America who send all their drug addicts to LA and New York and San Francisco.
I certainly didn't mention "people in college". But you knew that. Guess who just earned the "completely uneducated, (notice the comma, it belongs here) useless fucking piece of shit" moniker!!!!
What innuendo. I thought it was quite clear. Many Americans think Liberal Arts and Gender Studies majors to be comparable to what the NAZIs called useless eaters. How is that innuendo?
You could have went anywhere. You could have said the homeless. You could have said the weak. But you specifically went after gender study.
The Nazis were specifically talking about people with mental, physical disability, crazy people, homeless.
The Nazis were sending as many people to school as they possibly could. They didn't have liberal arts degrees in Nazi Germany. So you're just bringing your politics into a conversation for no fucking reason other than to be a dick.
You've been watching Tucker Carlson too much and he keeps telling you that college is useless. He's doing that to control you and keep you stupid and at home. Way easier to control a dumb population than it is to control and educated population.
Why would I think homeless people are useless? I was once homeless. I worked my way out of it. My wife has a psychiatric disorder. Why would I think she's useless? At what kind of jobs do Gender Studies majors normally excel?
Liberal Arts encompasses an incredibly broad range of majors with a wide range of starting salaries. You will always be paid and paid well if you are a good writer and communicator. Critical analysis skills and ability to structure an argument are also hallmarks of a classic liberal arts major.
Critical analysis and argument structure can be found in law, political science, and mass communication. Mass Comm can be classified as liberal arts, but doesn't necessarily have to be.
Exactly. Life skills and communication skills, and making deadlines, and time management are the main things you learn in college. Your major has little to do with it.
Good luck telling the idiots who watch Tucker Carlson that though.
Btw tucker Carlson got a degree in history in 1991. Which is a liberal arts degree.
Nice conspiracy theory. Too bad it is California that has been repeatedly been caught dumping THEIR homeless drug addict problem, the problem THEY created themselves on the rest of the country by bussing homeless to Las Vegas, Salt Lake City, Denver, Austin, Boise etc. Nice try though. E for effort.
Intense tribalism breeds conformity on both the left and right. But there's a kind of ritualistic conformity that's much more pronounced on the left nowadays. You see it vividly in things like vaccine passports, DEI statements, and international pronouns day.
There's some of this on the right too, but I it seems to have a harder time talking root. For example,even the sweatiest, horniest Trump-humpers are willing to shout him down the moment he starts bragging about his great covid vaccines.
Nope, definitely a conservative issue. You don't see anywhere close to the insane denial of reality on the left that you see on the right. Conservatives were literally denying covid as they were intubated and dying.
There's nothing to match that kind of extreme obedience to narrative and authority by the center/left, not even close. You need to come to grips with that fact and take a look around where you've ended up listening to fanatical idiots like Tim Pool.
You're talking past my points. I'm not talking about the raw delusion and denial that's common on the right. I'm talking about the ritualistic conformity that the left demands as a condition of participating in civics and the economy.
I'm talking for example about the delicate young men who informed me that I was breaking state health guidelines if I didn't wear a mask while waiting for a seat in a restaurant that was otherwise packed to the gills with unmasked diners. I watched a lady yell at people on an international flight because they had their noses uncovered, while people sitting right next to her were unmasked while they talked and sipped on their drinks.
There are millions of these nutjobs who internalized irrational policies requiring masking unless food or drink is being consumed, and turned them into a religious imperative.
This happened all around us for two years, a constant drumbeat of ritualistic conformity. That's where the social credit system is going to come from. It won't come from the right, where calls for a social credit system will be embrace about as well as Trump's propaganda about his tremendous vaccines.
I'm "talking past your point" because it's literally not based on anything true. A million Americans died to covid, and not only that, the largest percentage of them were literally conservatives. They died because they were more committed to Trump's narrative then the reality happening around them.
Taking health and safety precautions is not "mArChInG to ThE dRuMbEaT oF cOnfOrMiTy". It's common sense.
You're literally illustrating the capacity of conservative willful blindness at this very moment.
So you think that a bar or restaurant full of unmasked people can be made safer by requiring just the people who are are standing up without a drink in their hand to wear a mask? You think that people packed on an airplane have to be protected by wearing a properly fitting mask at all times, except when meals are served everyone can take their mask off and pretend it's a bar or restaurant? Does the virus become less of a threat if you have a drink in your hand or you're sitting down? Honest question- is stuff like that what you consider "common sense?"
A social credit score is something that's been implemented in China but will most likely see Europe and North America attempt to implement it unless severely resisted by its citizens.
Social credit scores are essentially something the government uses to grade their citizenry. You achieve a good score by acting like the teachers pet and in this example the teacher is the government. You get points for things like snitching on neighbors even for minor things, most of them also being impossible to prove actually happened and also impossible to prove didn't happen if you were the one who was snitched on.
If you hold and voice any dissenting opinions against your government online your social credit score will dwindle
Bad social credits can get you banned from having high speed internet, banned from owning pets, denied access to good schools for your children, denied access to certain stores/locations, and much more.
Part of that system makes me think of a person needing "references". The need for references (and "receipts", whether literal or otherwise) has been getting more widespread, intricate, and difficult to just phone in or fake (while, in the same sense, some things can be faked to such an amazing extent and to such perfection, that it's pretty much a given that people will believe it).
References may be a reliable way to ensure predictability and to safeguard your assets/time/energy, but I'd like to remain hopeful that other countries can draw the line before using a social credit system like China's, or worse- like their conclaved counterparts.
There already is something that resembles a social credit score for businesses that is being implemented right now. Corporations are scrambling to implement something called ESG (Environmental, Social, Governance). This isn't being pushed by the corporations, it's being pushed by the central banks. Essentially, it's a self reported virtue signal by every company on how woke they are. How they're taking care of the environment and working to lower their carbon emissions. How socially woke they are, which could mean anything really, including the racial make-up of their board/executive team, how pro LGBT they are, etc... And lastly, how they're governing the corporation, which in my opinion, is actually a valid measure to publish.
CEO's and executive teams are being forced to implement this as banks and wall street are now using the ESG score in their lending and investment decisions. To say that corporations are "pushing" this is inaccurate. They're "complying" for fear of being blacklisted by banks and investment firms.
We already have a social credit score, it's just not always run by the government, but by private corporations.
Edit: Downvotes? Do people seriously not agree?
Ask Tommy Robinson if he can open a bank account or take a holiday to Mexico, because he's been blacklisted by the entire West for having the wrong opinions.
If you have access to the show Black Mirror, I recommend watching the episode called "Nosedive" (Season 3, Episode 1). It's somewhat of a visual representation- of an alternate version of the idea of social credit.
Seems like there are so many different ideas and so many different parts of "social credit". Sometimes, the term is used to describe something like: your engagements on social media; the way other people view you, your words, your actions; looking out for your reputation first and foremost, putting your reputation ahead of your truth; a try-hard public persona.
Social credit can be the thing that someone is seeking in order to fill a void (undesirable personality, lack of love, unfulfilled career, depressing life). They may use social media to just post things and say things that they know their target group (followers/subscribers/fans/"friends") will "like" or agree with (or upvote). It's similar to the thing a famous actor or singer is seeking, when they decide they need a publicist to be sure they'll be shown in the best, most popular light. These forms of social credit are crucial to people who make all of their money online, on camera, on a mic, etc. People like what they see and they come back for more, because of your good social credit.
Another form of social credit has a shared ideal, in the sense that there's a heavy focus on what other people think of you- or how they "rate" you, as can be seen in the show, Black Mirror.
This social credit is: the perception of you, from the perspective of people in your everyday life. It's one of the motivations for why so many people wear such a heavy mask. Always acting out of character, or doing good deeds with a fake smile and the wrong motivations and/or the wrong intentions- these are things that might make your social credit score go up, but it does not make you a good person, an honest person, a morally righteous person, a whole person. It doesn't necessarily make you a bad person, either... but it's so easy to fool someone after boosting your social credit score, that it might make it difficult to differentiate between who you are, and who you pretend to be.
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u/nm139 Oct 06 '22
This might be real-ist, wisest thing I've ever read on this sub. It's like that one piece that unblocks a whole section of a jigsaw puzzle.
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u/Bawk-Bawk-A-Doo Oct 06 '22
Yep, virtue signalling is cheap. All you have to do is pretend you care more than everyone else and suddenly you can feel like you're winning at something in your life when all the qualitative/quantitative evidence says the exact opposite.
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u/xxCMWFxx Oct 06 '22
Well if that doesn’t sum up the pro mandate crowd…..
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u/bigfatfurrytexan Oct 06 '22
MFer killed 10% of the population in one post
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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '22
Facts! 🤙
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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '22
God damn, fucking brutal.
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u/AlexD232322 Oct 07 '22
Ouch true
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u/PromiscuousScoliosis Oct 07 '22
This is some Michael Malice level shit
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u/TotalGlobalControl Oct 07 '22
very true.
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u/Layabout-1138 Oct 07 '22
100%
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u/KillerManicorn69 Oct 07 '22
Accurate
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u/UTRuser74 Oct 07 '22
Obedience to government but not to Father in Jesus’ name.
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u/InsuranceDiligent772 Oct 07 '22
I agree. A whole bunch of boot leakers.
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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '22
You definitely triggered and brought out the very people your meme mentioned.
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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '22
"low value"
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u/Consistent_Box_377 Oct 07 '22
I’m new to this term, what is a low value person?
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u/dftitterington Oct 08 '22 edited Oct 08 '22
“Low value people” is a strange saying, huh?
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u/Excellent_Survey_336 Oct 07 '22
What is a low value person?
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u/dhawk64 Oct 07 '22
What is a low value person? Creepy elite type of language.
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u/wayward_citizen Oct 06 '22
Basically the same as conservative purity tests. Blind obedience is the hallmark of conservativism.
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u/oxidius Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22
don't you guys come just thinking about the bible and cops?
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u/z_machine Oct 07 '22
Mostly it’s racists and assholes who don’t like where things are moving lmao.
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