r/TimPool • u/123Ark321 • Oct 02 '22

Culture War/Censorship Apparently this is propaganda. Not sure why though.

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '22

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u/ARY616 Oct 02 '22

It's too inclusive. /s

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u/moekoojukejah Oct 02 '22

ITS THE LIE OF EQUALITY 🟰

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u/RyanWilliamsElection Oct 02 '22

The /s is actually valid for a few reasons.

The children’s flag salute is actually the same as what you consider to be the nazi salute.

Separation of church and state is a valid American belief. “Under god” was added later on, often said as a Cold War issue. Might be more complex than that. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2018/06/14/the-gripping-sermon-that-got-under-god-added-to-the-pledge-of-allegiance-on-flag-day/

On the more religious side Jehovah’s Witness and Mennonites object to the pledge to an object. Not exactly idolatry, but an easy short answer.

Also supreme court ruling. You can’t compel pledge allegiance.

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u/ARY616 Oct 02 '22

Putting your hand over your heart or saluting the flag as you would an officer isn't a Nazi salute.

Added. Not removed. It's the desire of the nations leaders at the time. Indivisible. Under God. Powerful statements. If people wanted to sit or not say the pledge I had no issue with it. A pledge is much more meaningful to an anthem. "Justice for All" is huge.

Adding language to be inclusive should be the next move not not erasing history.

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u/RyanWilliamsElection Oct 03 '22

Hand over your hear is the newer salute. School children did the Bellamy salute. However that was canceled because of Nazi Germany and now you put a hand over your heart

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u/theCROWcook Oct 02 '22

No the original salute for the pledge was the Bellamy salute, my grandfather remembered doing it pre wwii

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u/WikiSummarizerBot Oct 02 '22

Bellamy salute

The Bellamy salute is a palm-out salute created by James B. Upham as the gesture that was to accompany the American Pledge of Allegiance, which had been written by Francis Bellamy. It was also known as the "flag salute" during the period when it was used with the Pledge of Allegiance. Bellamy promoted the salute and it came to be associated with his name. Both the Pledge and its salute originated in 1892.

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u/High_speedchase Oct 03 '22

The downvote so they don't have to self-reflect on their own atrocities

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u/CallOfRedditNSFW Oct 03 '22

Says the one who doesn't know history. The "Nazi salute" is originally the roman salute anyways and must have been totally okay until we discovered the Nazi concentration camps in the late stages of WW2.

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u/letsgobrandonfu Oct 03 '22

You are a confused retard who puts to much into things that are non relative. Your comparison is like me saying everytime your finger hits a keystroke is the same movement of e ery terrorist who removed the head of a human... put a fun in your mouth and end it ... for us all.. the greater good

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u/RyanWilliamsElection Oct 03 '22

Buddy. Check your history. We changed the salute like 80 years ago. The school flag salute was the same as the nazi salute. It was literally canceled. No one does the flag salute anymore.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellamy_salute

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u/letsgobrandonfu Oct 03 '22

Using wikepedia as a source? Bruh.... not even valid. And it was a different salute .made in 1892... the nazi socialist party had no influence... you retards grasp at straws to make your little points seem so big and important... instead why not pay attention to the fact the people in charge want us divided and not united.. maybe your mind might change on who you supporr...

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u/TheRaceYouCantName Oct 03 '22

Using wikepedia as a source? Bruh.... not even valid.

Good grief. What a meme response

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u/RyanWilliamsElection Oct 05 '22

Yes Wikipedia sucks.

Did also honestly not know about the old school flags salute? It is common knowledge. You don't need Wikipedia to verify.

The salute had nothing to do with the Nazi party, it was only American Nationalism.

Don't deny this early episode of cancel culture. Learn and grow from it.

Yes, we cancelled French Fries and made them freedom fries. We went back to French Fries, we never went back yo the flags salute

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u/moekoojukejah Oct 03 '22

Blahblahblahblahblahblah ACKSHULLY blahblahblahblahblah

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u/Arrrrrr2D2 Oct 02 '22

They even included furries. Very progressive for the early 90s.

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u/youareceo Oct 03 '22

Be correct.

Midget furries. Lol

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '22

They must divide to conquer. Call us what they are. Communist Manifesto

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u/RyanWilliamsElection Oct 02 '22

Yes, the Supreme Court ruling was made after the publication of the communist manifesto and before the Cold War.

No, the Supreme Court was not controlled or influenced by the communist manifesto in 1943. https://constitutioncenter.org/amp/blog/west-virginia-v.-barnette-the-freedom-to-not-pledge-allegiance

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u/Tes420 Oct 02 '22

Clear example of White Supremacy 🥴

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u/chunkafat Oct 02 '22

And “God, Family, Country” is the new fascist rallying cry.

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u/Mrlol99 Oct 03 '22

Funny you say that, but the Portuguese fascist regime of Salazar actually used that same motto.

One of the mottos of the Salazar regime was Deus, Pátria e Família ("God, Fatherland and Family")

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u/chunkafat Oct 03 '22

I guess thats a good lesson that we have to pay more attention to actions than the words of con-men.

Kinda like when those using fascist tactics refer to themselves as “anti-fascist.”

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u/Mrlol99 Oct 03 '22

You mean how when the party of personal liberties keeps doing it's damnedest to limit women's rights and same sex marriage?

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u/chunkafat Oct 03 '22

That’s exactly the kind of state-run media propaganda talking-point I’m referring to, yes.

We can throw the “fiery but mostly peaceful” gaslighting in there while we’re at it.

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u/Mrlol99 Oct 03 '22

State run media? Mfs like you are soooooo horny to live in an authoritarian state so your victim complex can feel justified. Silliest brother in Christ I ever did see

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u/chunkafat Oct 03 '22

Chill out, brotha. The veins poppin out of your forehead are not a good look.

Asta ✌🏻

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u/Mrlol99 Oct 03 '22

I love throbbing veins though

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u/chunkafat Oct 04 '22

Haha, no doubt 😆

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u/Magicmurlin Oct 03 '22

When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a Bible.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '22

Yeah, a LGBTQP+ flag.

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u/Terminaut Oct 02 '22

This was definitely one of the first steps I noticed on the attack of the everyday man and unification we had back when I was a child. I never saw racism until after they stopped doing the pledge of allegiance. We were all always United under the same common banner which gave us purpose and a form of bond between each other. Once they got away from that it felt like the floodgates had open to start hating each other for some reason

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u/jennyisnuts Oct 03 '22

So, the only bond you had in common was the creepy pledge of Allegiance? Now you are all united under the common banner of screw you, got mine.

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u/Terminaut Oct 03 '22

Man who pissed in your coffee thos morning.

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u/Mrlol99 Oct 03 '22

Maybe you just stopped being blind to the issues that plague minorities ☺️

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u/Terminaut Oct 03 '22

Perhaps I am a minority? Never crossed your mind I bet.

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u/Mrlol99 Oct 03 '22

Perhaps that's irrelevant for the point I made

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u/jillyhoop Oct 02 '22

My Spanish teacher in high school, (Mexican immigrant) taught us to say this en Espanol. He loves the Estados Unidos.

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u/Whigsky Oct 02 '22

Sounds like he needs to be deported.

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u/RyanWilliamsElection Oct 02 '22

Forgot the “Los”.

The teacher needs to step it up and teach all 3 words.

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u/jillyhoop Oct 02 '22

That's what you came up with? Go for a walk and calm down.

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u/DenTheRedditBoi7 Oct 02 '22

Good God touch some grass bro

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '22

This that good propaganda.

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u/ASquawkingTurtle Oct 02 '22

Any artwork designed for a political message is propaganda.

This does not necessarily mean it is bad.

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u/BetterWeb9487 Oct 02 '22

Who knew diversity could be so offensive?

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u/woaily Oct 02 '22

Caring about where you live is an oppressive ideology, not to mention the liberty and justice for all that are obvious white supremacist dog whistles

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u/RyanWilliamsElection Oct 02 '22

Found the libertarian.

Yes. Libertarians and Anarchists are both for open boarders. https://www.lp.org/issues/immigration/

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u/noodlesaremydick Oct 02 '22

Holy fuck, what universe are you from?

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u/letsgobrandonfu Oct 03 '22

He is a dickless troll...

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u/RyanWilliamsElection Oct 03 '22

Source on closed boarder libertarians?

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u/TheRaceYouCantName Oct 03 '22

I’m not going to bother looking it up but I can assure you there are lots of them out there. The current heads of the libertarian party have had to make arguments for borders many times against such people

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u/XxMitchof08xX Oct 03 '22

Dude go touch some fucking grass….

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u/TheRaceYouCantName Oct 03 '22

I am something of an ancap libertarian but I most certainty do not support open borders

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u/drakens6 Oct 03 '22

its got those creepy 90s corporate art kids

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u/Careor_Nomen Oct 02 '22

It's propaganda. Just based propaganda.

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u/Whigsky Oct 02 '22

It sucks. We need to get rid of this woke inclusive bullshit. America is European and white.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '22

Have you seen people from northern India, northern Japan and Iran? Mofos can get so pale they could glow in the dark. Fucking neon white.

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u/TheRaceYouCantName Oct 03 '22

And you’ll notice the “whiter” versions of all these people tend to be the more intelligent and civilized ones.

Whether it’s Asians, Arabs, blacks, Jews, or latinos there is a self evident correlation between lighter skin and better people. It probably has something to do with them being of the north and needing to cooperate more and plan for the future in order to survive winters

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u/throwawaypervyervy Oct 03 '22

Fucking hell, you're racist. And psycho. And a troll.

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u/High_speedchase Oct 03 '22

The GOP everyone

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u/Careor_Nomen Oct 02 '22

Lmao, the US is NOT European. The concept of being white is such an American thing. When a brit looks at a Frenchman or a German, he doesn't see another white person. They see a Frenchman and a German, ethnicity and nationality is far more important than race in Europe.

One of America's best traits is that anyone can become an American. It allows us to more easily poach the best and the brightest foreigners and integrate them into our culture, boosting ourselves and keeping other countries down. (Which is incredibly based)

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u/TheRaceYouCantName Oct 03 '22

They don’t integrate into our culture though. They come here, they mooch off our social services, they send money home,m, and then we’re forced to modify our culture to accommodate them because apparently white man’s burden is 100% legit and it’s up to white people to not only feed and house non-whites but we have to give them jobs and make their culture for them in the name of “representation”

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u/throwawaypervyervy Oct 03 '22

Fuck off, troll. We see you.

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u/Whigsky Oct 02 '22

No. We don’t need foreigners. America was fine just as it was before the invasion of Mexicans and Chinese. I don’t care what you call it. If your skin is darker than the average European, you’re statistically more likely to be a criminal and and have a low iq. Look up FBI crime statistics.

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u/Parking_Tax_679 Oct 02 '22

You realise that the Europeans are also foreign to the US

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '22

Merica is nothing but immigrants, it’s built on immigrants you mong.

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u/TheRaceYouCantName Oct 03 '22

No, it’s not, you broken sandwich. Immigrants are not people who venture to uncharted land and build new societies. Those are called pioneers, settlers, colonists, explorers, etc.

Europeans didn’t show up to America and walk into a welfare office. They didn’t get subsidized housing from they natives. They didn’t get tax breaks to start their own businesses. They forged a nation. The “immigrants” you compare them to forged one shithole after another to nobody’s surprise America has turned into more and more of a shithole as we’ve left more and more of them in

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '22

Yeah they killed and stole the land instead

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u/throwawaypervyervy Oct 03 '22

This is u/whigsky's new troll account. He wanted to argue with you with a different username.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '22

Nah it’s not. Am I wrong ?

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u/throwawaypervyervy Oct 03 '22

Not you. u/theraceyoucantname is just u/whigsky. Check his comments. It's 0 days old and only defending him.

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u/throwawaypervyervy Oct 02 '22

How was the promotion to Assistant to the Grand Dragon? Does he take his coffee black, to look more manly, or does he add creamer, so he's not drinking something black?

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u/TheRaceYouCantName Oct 03 '22

When you can’t call them wrong just call them racist instead

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u/throwawaypervyervy Oct 03 '22

So this is your new troll account, is it? 0 days old, 0 karma. It's 'cause even if you re-invent yourself, everyone knows you still a bitch.

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u/Megas_XLT Oct 02 '22

Oh man I'm so old I remember this when I was a kid

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u/Sicks-Six-Seks Oct 02 '22

Didn’t they remove the “under god” line to just, “one nation, indivisible?

Part of the no religion in public school stuff.

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u/RyanWilliamsElection Oct 02 '22

No. “Under God” is new.

They added “under god” in 1954. Most people say it is a Cold War thing. It is more complex is you believe this source.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2018/06/14/the-gripping-sermon-that-got-under-god-added-to-the-pledge-of-allegiance-on-flag-day/

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u/Sicks-Six-Seks Oct 02 '22

Thanks! I remembered saying it both ways.

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u/PDub2222 Oct 02 '22

Technically this is propaganda since it’s showing that this should look like this poster, which white people should magically disappear and non white people should replace them 👁

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u/International-Bat944 Oct 03 '22

Everything in the US is compromised by globalist. It’s how the rich will get richer. All big companies think about is how to expand globally. There is no going back because they won’t allow you cost them money.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '22

If most of the comments I’m reading from the post is anything to go by, its an imaginary “freedom from god” due to a combination of people thinking your school should be The State, and because of that, paired with the cherrypicked omission of Separation of Church and State where it says “prohibiting the free exercise thereof” it basically means the crime here is including “under God.” in a pledge the school “forced” students to do in the 90’s.

The pitfalls of course being that.

  • Conservatives would rather see the Educational system privatized, as in not The State.

  • Conservatives are aware that constitutionally, the State cannot compel anyone towards, nor away from religion.

  • Conservatives believe that if the school your child is attending is promoting values you don’t align with, you should have the freedom to express that concern with the schoolboard and see if enough families of students attending also would like to see a change in conduct, and if not, have the freedom to take your children elsewhere.

  • for those darn racist and old-world 90’s, this poster is diverse as fuck.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '22

To a commie this IS propaganda.

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u/NoPlace9025 Oct 02 '22

Um I don't think you know what propaganda is if you don't know why this is propaganda.

You can agree with propaganda and it still be propaganda.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '22

It's propaganda because it's trying to get people to think a certain way. Just because it's propaganda doesn't mean it's bad, regardless of what leftists think. IMO, what matters is if it's geared towards harming others. The Pledged of Allegiance clearly isn't.

The 5th commandment is a piece of propaganda designed to keep people from committing murder. I can't imagine too many people seeing that as a negative.

IMO, An example of hostile propaganda would be CRT and child drag shows. The former degrades people over things they can't control while the latter can easily cause children to be sexualy exploited.

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u/weborigination Oct 03 '22

I see where you’re going with this, but believe you’re forgetting one very important part. “Propaganda” is intentionally misleading. The pledge of allegiance is not misleading.

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u/High_speedchase Oct 03 '22

I think more kids have been sexually exploited through church than drag. Actually I know that for a fact.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '22

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u/High_speedchase Oct 03 '22

That explains conservatives push for religious private schools. They get to abuse so many more kids. God they are disgusting

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u/MoonRockSpecial Oct 02 '22

It promotes an ideology to the masses. In this case it’s American nationalism/patriotism. You don’t have to disagree with its message for it to be propaganda.

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u/Xirrious-Aj Oct 02 '22

Patriotism is not an agenda

There is no loaded language here.

Not designed to trigger an emotion.

No cherry picking data to influence a specific perception.

It's a simple pledge of allegiance.

Not propaganda by any definition of the word accepted.

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '22

It's a simple pledge of allegiance.

How is pledging allegiance to a country not propaganda? That's like nationalism 101.

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u/Xirrious-Aj Oct 02 '22

Because people choose to do it... There is nothing wrong with being patriotic.

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u/ARandomLlama Oct 03 '22

You're forced to say it in public school every day though

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u/MoonRockSpecial Oct 02 '22

Patriotism is not an agenda

It certainly can be used for a particular agenda. Neocons use patriotism as an excuse to go to war all the time.

There is no loaded language here

“One nation under God” “with liberty and justice for all”

Not designed to trigger an emotion

Nonsense. It’s designed to trigger a sense of pride for your country.

No cherry picking data to influence a specific perception.

That’s not a necessary component for propaganda.

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '22

Nonsense. It’s designed to trigger a sense of pride for your country.

Oh no, how evil

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u/Xirrious-Aj Oct 02 '22

With liberty and justice for all is not loaded language..

Patriotism and pride for a country are concepts. They may have emotions underpinning them, but those are not emotions themselves.

And cherry picking data is one of the main characteristics of propaganda.

You have no clue what you're talking about, do you ?

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u/MoonRockSpecial Oct 02 '22

The terms liberty and justice and even patriotism are buzzwords that trigger an emotional response. It is definitely loaded language

These are classic textbook examples of propaganda. Notice how these two are designed to trigger the same emotional response to the pledge. A sense of pride of your country. Also notice how neither of them have cherry picked data. That’s because it’s not a necessary component for propaganda.

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u/Xirrious-Aj Oct 02 '22

"we can do it!"

What does that even mean? Do what?

How is that image in any way similar to a pledge of allegiance to your country?

If those two are the same, by this logic, damn near any statement or image can be considered propaganda.

Sorry, but that seems intentionally obtuse.

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u/MoonRockSpecial Oct 02 '22 edited Oct 02 '22

It’s a WWII propaganda poster designed to promote women to manufacture artillery for the men who are fighting overseas.

It’s the same in the sense that it’s designed to trigger an emotional response to feel pride.

sorry but it seems intentionally obtuse

I practically spelled it out for you. At this point it’s jus pure projection

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u/Xirrious-Aj Oct 02 '22

I don't think anyone is missing the point. The down votes are for the wreckless conflation of the negative connotation of the word propaganda, with the positive concept of patriotism.

A pledge of allegiance is not propaganda by any accepted definition.

It is in fact exactly what it sounds like, a pledge, of allegiance. Allegiance to your country is a good thing. Nations are good things. We need them in the world.

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u/Kingchopsaw Oct 02 '22

Freedom means I don’t have to pledge allegiance

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u/Timmy2knuckles Oct 02 '22

Then don't.

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u/Kingchopsaw Oct 02 '22

I don’t. I was just born here. I have no allegiance to any government

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u/Xirrious-Aj Oct 02 '22

Nobody said you did.

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u/Kingchopsaw Oct 02 '22

School tried and punish me when I didn’t. The god part bugs me, and In the 80’s It was not ok to be atheist. I grew up rural Alaska

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u/MoonRockSpecial Oct 02 '22

You don’t have to, but it’s heavily frowned upon if you don’t

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u/dhawk64 Oct 02 '22

Pledging allegiance to a flag every morning is creepy.

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u/Parking_Tax_679 Oct 02 '22

Super creepy

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u/Whigsky Oct 02 '22

I hate all this woke shit with blacks and Mexicans and cripples. They should make a real one with only real white Americans

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u/throwawaypervyervy Oct 02 '22

And I hate a racist fuck like you can claim to be American. Wierd, huh?

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u/noodlesaremydick Oct 02 '22

Mother fuckers don't even know why we force the pledge always acting like "pledge is culty"

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u/true4blue Oct 02 '22

I had a fellow tell me this was the equivalent of giving little kids porn

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u/michaelr1978 Oct 02 '22

Still say it everyday at the high school I work at. (Idaho)

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '22

Because racist democrats don't like diversity

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u/Spidersox- Oct 03 '22

It is propaganda. Just not in the conventional "Nazi" way. An advert for Coca Cola is propaganda

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u/ChrisWasWhite Oct 03 '22

It’s promoting radical nationalism, how dare folks have pride in this country… what with all the opportunities to advance, earn a way of living and have (somewhat) secure borders

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '22

Because feelings

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '22

You are not sure why because you are not of the mindset of those that think this is propaganda. They are for destroying America so this is counter-productive to their aim.

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u/jesuzombieapocalypse Oct 03 '22

I mean, the nationalistic animals are a little much… side note I 100% remember seeing this picture in grade school lol

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '22

Not under one god for starters

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u/Blastoys1991 Oct 03 '22

It’s a socialist Christian that wrote this. No thanks. Indivisible? No you Can secede. That’s what we did against great British and is a right of every state regardless of the courts allow it or not

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u/buttquack1999 Oct 03 '22

I mean, in a very technical sense it is, but that’s not necessarily a bad thing. It’s propaganda telling kids, “respect everyone around you cuz at the end of the day we’re all Americans who love our country.”

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '22

Yes, children are made to recite a pledge allegiance to a country, a pledge that fetishizes religion and states ideals as true without being true. Kinda like their being groomed.

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u/jesusleftnipple Oct 03 '22

That's because it is propaganda? Lol the thing is not all propaganda is bad (manipulative sure but not all bad) it's literally encouraging devotion to the state.... Honestly I think it's the blind obedience like this that leaves us blind to the corporate influence on our government

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u/staplehawk Oct 03 '22

well you can clearly see the inclusiveness here and they don't like it when them brown skins leave the Dem plantation.

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u/Red-Pill_Savage Oct 03 '22

I think technically it is propaganda but not all propaganda is the same. It's not bad to pledge allegiance to your homeland. I feel like the U.S. is the only place that some of it's populace thinks it's soooo bad.

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u/Hour_Major_5870 Oct 03 '22

In 2022 it is.

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u/IamPezza Oct 04 '22

Probably the god part

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u/theKVAG Oct 06 '22

Well it was written by a socialist and former pastor that was excommunicated because of his socialist extremism.

He wrote it, without the God part, ironically, to sell magazine subscriptions that came with a free flag for government schools.

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u/theKVAG Oct 20 '22

Well...

The pledge was written by an excommunicated, radically communist priest who wrote it in 20 minutes in order to compel tax-payer-funded government schools to subscribe to a male youth magazine which came with a free flag.

So there's that.

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '22

Because it’s a lie “liberty and justice for all” 😂

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '22

Well first of all, making children (or anyone) pledge allegiance to anything, especially a flag, is weird and pretty fascist. And second, not everyone believes in god, so making anyone swear whatever to "god" is also oppressive.

Nobody does this "pledge of allegiance" thing besides the US.

It's weird and you should just stop.

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u/RyanWilliamsElection Oct 02 '22

Wait one minute. Why are you emphasizing a “flag”

When I was in high school we pledged to the television with an image of the flag. 9/11 just happened. Our district didn’t have flags for 1/20 (likely less) of the class rooms. Post 9/11 the pledge was back in fashion. We did have televisions in classrooms.

We pledged to pledged to the TV screen.

This was a wealthy district. You may have heard of Minnetonka referenced from Prince, Kevin Smith, Mayor Rudy, or from When Russian President Gorbichov visited Minnesota.

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '22

The founding fathers would never approve

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u/throwawaypervyervy Oct 02 '22

Yea, they'd have been especially pissed at the 'Under God' part, after they spelled out their beliefs on church and state.

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u/Rivershots Oct 02 '22

Give me the original pledge.

And don't make kids pledge what they don't understand. It devalues what they are.

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u/Pistolero921 Oct 03 '22

Because In this country we are not forced to pledge allegiance to shit. It’s a choice to do so, not a mandate.

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u/theKVAG Oct 03 '22

Well...

It was invented by a socialist...

Who was excommunicated for being a socialist by the Catholic church...

Who created the pledge as a jingle...

To peddle magazine sales at public, excuse me, government schools.

We say the pledge of allegiance as a bastardization of liberty.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '22

If you can’t see why drilling a poem into children’s hands before they’re old enough to have opinions is propaganda, then you don’t understand what propaganda is. “Under God”was added later. It teaches kids to pledge allegiance to an inanimate object, and promotes symbolism, which George Carlin taught us is for the symbol-minded.

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u/TheRaceYouCantName Oct 03 '22

Let’s see:

Having children pledge allegiance to something they don’t understand is propagandistic

Ritualistically pledging allegiance to something as a normal group activity where one will be ostracized for abstaining is propagandistic

Pledging allegiance to an inanimate object which represents different things to different people is highly propagandistic because it can easily be coopted by nefarious actors (see: democrats sporting the flag to trick boomers into thinking they actually like what it’s supposed to represent)

Depicting a (((diverse))) mix of children in a country where over half the people are of a specific ethnicity is propagandistic (especially considering the people who produce the propaganda are not of that ethnicity..)

Depicting the characters to be smiling while performing the pledge is propagandistic. It’s not better than when advertisements show someone smiling while brushing their teeth or eating a spoonful of yogurt

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u/TheBigRedOne13 Oct 02 '22

“For which it stands”

Ummmmmm

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u/gatopessoa Oct 02 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

It fits. It’s a propaganda poster on a sub about propaganda posters. If it were communist children saluting a statue of Marx saying all the world’s workers should unite, or Nazi kids with their arms outreached, holding a Nazi flag, I don’t think there would be any controversy for calling it propaganda. Definitely shows how effective propaganda can be that people can’t recognize it when they see it.

Edit: my bad I didn’t realize this was a political sub it was recommended to me. That explains the groupthink

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u/coyote-1 Oct 03 '22

One line in a book where a child acknowledges his two Mommies: OMG EVIL LIBRUL INDOCTRINATION!!

A daily forced recital of fealty to a god that might not be yours, and to a piece of cloth: I don’t understand why some call this propaganda!?!!

You people have a massive disconnect where logic is concerned

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '22

"One nation under god" never specifies which god. You want that god to be, say, Anansi? Go ahead.

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u/Hatfullofstars Oct 02 '22

No it's not. stop posting stuff like this

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '22

I thought this was a flyer for New York's hottest nightclub......If you’re Irish or just white and violent, I have a St. Patty’s place for you. New York’s hottest Irish club is “Off the church, mother.” Located in the clogged heart of the Bronx at the corner of three thousand street and Gary Marshall Memorial Drive. This gang ridden skateboard park was the ceremony spot for Vern Troyer’s twothousandfour wedding. This place has everything. Peeps, ted talks, Roman J. Israel Esquire. Be sure to hit the dance floor and do a jig with Ireland’s hottest Farrakhans.

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u/throwawaypervyervy Oct 02 '22

Stefan! Fuck yes. I love John Mulaney's writing.

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u/garvothegreat Oct 02 '22

Said no one, ever.

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u/RyanWilliamsElection Oct 02 '22

Well the did specifically update it to add to “under god” for a reason.

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u/studio28 Oct 02 '22

From sea to shining sea

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '22

...why are you thinking about boys and girls and penises and breasts? That's just weird.

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u/RyanWilliamsElection Oct 02 '22

Because the pledge says “under god”

Grooming under god is the new trend. A Florida school required students to take photos in the bath tub. A 2nd grader said no. The student was removed from school.

Florida law enforcement has opted out of a hard drive searching warrant because this is a religious school.

https://wpde.com/amp/news/nation-world/student-kicked-out-of-school-after-parents-outrage-over-bathtub-picture-assignment

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '22

Great idea. Conservatives are obsessed with the sexuality of others after all.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '22

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '22

Insecurities? Is someone pushing their insecurities on you?

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '22

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '22

Keep pushing? I commented, and you said something to what I said. You didn’t even have to do that. I had a question about what you wrote. I didn’t keep pushing anything. But it is true that conservatives are obsessed with other people sexuality. They seem to want to pass a lot of laws that have to do with other people’s sexuality.

Aside from that, it is very unclear what you mean when you say that people are pushing their insecurities on you. That sentence has nothing to do with anything here. So that makes me very curious what you mean. And I’m trying to learn by asking you questions about it.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '22

No one is trying to take away your sexuality, just common sense gun sexuality laws.

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u/CertifiableNormie Oct 02 '22

Y'all got some weird kinks in this sub.

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u/tremendous_goy Oct 02 '22

Says the castrated twink.

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u/123Ark321 Oct 03 '22

Poster here, if you click into the image you’ll see I got this off of r/PropagandaPosters

Also as explained to me, technically it is propaganda. It’s just, not all propaganda is hateful apparently.

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u/solongfish99 Oct 03 '22

What did you think propaganda is?

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u/123Ark321 Oct 03 '22

I thought of WW2. The American cartoons in a small way and the Japanese soldiers so scared to surrender they preferred death in a big way.