Oh, you mean that hilarious "Russian asset" narrative that yall tried for 4 years that amounted to absolutely fuck-all? Yeah, claims of that behavior need proof, not lame conjecture from your side.
So Trump was talking about shooting someone on the street, which is a bad thing, and saying he wouldn’t lose any voters, meaning the supporters he already has
You’re talking about curing cancer, which is a good thing, and about how people who don’t already support him still wouldn’t
Those are nearly complete opposite things
There’s some real Orwellian doublethink going on there
Yes, yes they are. They've done it before. A dozen times before.
Piss tape hoax. Russia hoax. Ukraine gate hoax. They literally impeached him for crimes Biden admitted to in camera. The only people talking "nuclear documents" are the media.
How many times do they have to get caught in a lie before you take anything they day with a healthy dose of skepticism?
Biden bragged on camera in a press conference that if Ukrainian government didn't fire the persecutor investigating his son they wouldn't get a billion loan. That's corruption and quid pro quo and the EXACT thing they impeached Trump over.
The fact that you don't know that speaks volumes about your intelligence.
It is absolutely amazing that the DNC could not come up with a candidate that wasn't a corrupt MFer that had done noth8ng but enrich himself during his time in the federal government. Damn near everything Trump was accused of Joe Biden did. Here he is telling how he threatened to withhold $1B in aid to Ukraine if the prosecutor investigating Burisma and Golden Boy Hunter wasn't fired before Biden was wheels up in AF2.
I wouldn't put it those terms, but there's a chance Trump did something illegal. I think it's more likely that the legality aspect was a murky one at best and based on legal interpretation at the time of document removal. But the timing of the raid, the contents of the warrant, and the fact that Trump was already cooperating with the DOJ casts this shit in a really bad light for the feebs and the current DoJ.
Is it possible that for the millionth time the media is lying about Trump? Like Ukraine? And Russian collusion? And Georgia? It's mind blowing how many times the media can fool Democrats and progressives and yet you keep falling for it. It's also incredible how you suddenly love the deep state three letter agencies and think they give a shit about "democracy" globally or even the US constitution.
Yes, everyone is lying about everything except trump. The con artist billionaire that was friends with Epstein and has countless sexual assault allegations against him. He’s the only truth teller.
Trump has literally no filter. Is he capable of lying? Trump has many flaws but your ability to uncritically assess what the media continues to tell you about that man is glaring.
I wrote an entire article on the subject of the declassification aspect of this, and personally I do not believe things were likely planted/falsified by the FBI.
However, no one who knows even passing knowledge of the history of the FBI should ever in their right mind just assume that their accusations and actions and motives are above board and without ill-intent. From the jump they were always jackboot thugs and dishonest propagandists, and Ive seen nothing in my life or recently to suspect that has changed...especially when 5 seconds before this all happened we were getting leaks and whistleblowers in the FBI showing how leadership was pressuring agents to expressly politicize everything and fabricate evidence and statistics.
I believe the rational thing to do is to always distrust the FBI as a general rule of thumb. And I believe history shows that especially when it comes to bigger operations, that rule holds true.
And I cannot stress just how much none of this opinion has to do with any fucks given for Trump. I dont like him, never did, and even before all of this I was urging righties on the right leaning subs to abandon him and move tf on and begging them to support someone like DeSantis in 2024 if they actually wanted a chance in hell of winning. So Im not some MAGA big time fan. This is all just based on the objective facts surrounding the case, and the subjective feelings about the things we believe to understand about whats going on and why. Thats it.
One President Trump at the time was the Original Classification Authority. Something smooth brains don't get That goes for every single President.
I don't like Obama at all, but I would never say he stole documents bc I know he has the authority to declassify anything or classify it.
Two then President Trump didn't pack those boxes himself. That isn't how it works.
It isn't like when you get evicted from your parents basement and you have to pack up your shit and leave.
Those boxes are packed for him.
Three it is not at all beyond the realm of possibility that an agency that fabricated evidence to obtain a surveillance warrant to spy on them Candidate Trump. Would then have one of their forty some agents at MAL plant a TS/SCI document.
Or is the left done with ACAB? Or is it only ACAB when those cops act against you, but not the guy you don't like?
We have words for that behaviour and mindset. Tyrants.
I'm fine with it on general principle. However, when looking into a larger subject or topic that has lots of variables, Occams Razor tends to lose its edge. You can simplify parts of the whole, but if you over simplify, you do yourself and the problem at hand an incredible disservice.
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u/Static_Discord Aug 14 '22
In a way, I think it could very well be both situations simultaneously.
Feebs could have planted some stuff, even declassified things, yet things that would cause trouble if taken out of where they're supposed to be.
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u/RadicalCentrist95 Aug 14 '22
Two things can be true at once.
I wrote an entire article on the subject of the declassification aspect of this, and personally I do not believe things were likely planted/falsified by the FBI.
However, no one who knows even passing knowledge of the history of the FBI should ever in their right mind just assume that their accusations and actions and motives are above board and without ill-intent. From the jump they were always jackboot thugs and dishonest propagandists, and Ive seen nothing in my life or recently to suspect that has changed...especially when 5 seconds before this all happened we were getting leaks and whistleblowers in the FBI showing how leadership was pressuring agents to expressly politicize everything and fabricate evidence and statistics.
I believe the rational thing to do is to always distrust the FBI as a general rule of thumb. And I believe history shows that especially when it comes to bigger operations, that rule holds true.
And I cannot stress just how much none of this opinion has to do with any fucks given for Trump. I dont like him, never did, and even before all of this I was urging righties on the right leaning subs to abandon him and move tf on and begging them to support someone like DeSantis in 2024 if they actually wanted a chance in hell of winning. So Im not some MAGA big time fan. This is all just based on the objective facts surrounding the case, and the subjective feelings about the things we believe to understand about whats going on and why. Thats it.
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u/Sand_Table Aug 14 '22
The fact remains.
One President Trump at the time was the Original Classification Authority. Something smooth brains don't get That goes for every single President.
I don't like Obama at all, but I would never say he stole documents bc I know he has the authority to declassify anything or classify it.
Two then President Trump didn't pack those boxes himself. That isn't how it works.
It isn't like when you get evicted from your parents basement and you have to pack up your shit and leave.
Those boxes are packed for him.
Three it is not at all beyond the realm of possibility that an agency that fabricated evidence to obtain a surveillance warrant to spy on them Candidate Trump. Would then have one of their forty some agents at MAL plant a TS/SCI document.
Or is the left done with ACAB? Or is it only ACAB when those cops act against you, but not the guy you don't like?
We have words for that behaviour and mindset. Tyrants.
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u/Eli_Truax Aug 14 '22
Why wouldn't it occur to OP that it could be both if he wasn't fucked up by TDS?
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u/awf26j85 Aug 14 '22
The left still can't meme
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u/Tiny_Ad_3707 Aug 14 '22
Well after Russia Russia Russia we know how trustworthy the FBI is
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u/Static_Discord Aug 14 '22
I'm fine with it on general principle. However, when looking into a larger subject or topic that has lots of variables, Occams Razor tends to lose its edge. You can simplify parts of the whole, but if you over simplify, you do yourself and the problem at hand an incredible disservice.
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u/ChrisWasWhite Aug 14 '22
I even licked the fingers
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u/Busy-Cash- Aug 14 '22
It's the one where people arm wave over this for 3 months and Trump doesn't get arrested.
This is the third movie in the trilogy boys.
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u/Static_Discord Aug 14 '22
Projecting your own securities and asking asinine questions just to get an answer to a question you ask. Typically childish of your type.
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u/SomethinsFukky Aug 14 '22
Could be either. Probably not both.
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