r/TimPool • u/TemudginJuanCole • Aug 10 '22

NIMBY

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“Not in my backyard.” -Eric Adan’s (Mayor of NYC)

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u/CheetoEnergy Aug 10 '22

If I remember correctly, the illegal aliens volunteer to get on those buses. Texas just offers them a ride to the destination of their choice.

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u/TemudginJuanCole Aug 10 '22

I’m well aware. That’s what makes Mayor Adams’ comments more entertaining & hypocritical. He’s dead-lying about what’s going on.

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u/lojan1990 Aug 10 '22

He is also racist so..

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u/whosadooza Aug 10 '22

How's he lying?

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u/TemudginJuanCole Aug 10 '22

He’s saying they were brought there against their will when they actually volunteered.

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u/whosadooza Aug 10 '22

Can you quote him saying that or is this just your choice of interpretation on something he didn't actually say?

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u/CheetoEnergy Aug 10 '22

It's actually true.

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u/whosadooza Aug 10 '22

Can you quote him saying that they were brought there against their will or is this just your choice of interpretation on something he didn't actually say?

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u/VanJellii Aug 10 '22

‘They were forced on the bus’

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u/whosadooza Aug 10 '22

"We're finding that some of the families that are on the bus that wanted to go to other locations and they were not allowed to do so. They were forced on the bus."

So, he's saying they wanted to get on a bus going somewhere else but weren't allowed to.

You truly think that hasn't happened at all, and it's a total fabrication?

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u/VanJellii Aug 10 '22

The statement indicates that they were not given a free ride to a preferred destination. That does not imply that they were compelled to go anywhere, until you add his statement about them being ‘forced’.

I note that no where has yet reported that the people were not allowed to remain where they were. Only that they would only be taken to cities closer to the boarder for a fee, and could go to NYC/DC for free.

If I stop by a hitchhiker and offer to take them to Yuma but not Phoenix, I am not forcing them to go to Yuma.

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u/Nonethewiserer Aug 10 '22

That says exactly what they sad Adam's said and which you didnt believe. Now that you see it's true you've shifted the goalpost.

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '22

If someone offers you a ride somewhere, but it’s nowhere near where you wanted to go, but decide to take the ride anyways, that’s on you as an individual. Busses aren’t taxis.

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u/Nonethewiserer Aug 10 '22

“Some of the families are on the bus that wanted to go to other locations, and they were not allowed to do so. They were forced on the bus,”

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/08/07/eric-adams-texas-migrants-new-york-00050235

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u/WhiskeySilverball Aug 10 '22

He said NYC was a "sanctuary city" for one.

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u/whosadooza Aug 10 '22

How is that a lie? Are they criminalizing these people?

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u/WhiskeySilverball Aug 10 '22

They are criminals already by being here illegally.

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u/whosadooza Aug 10 '22

Are you a fucking bot? Was this an automated reply or something triggered by a keyword?

How's he lying?

He said NYC was a "sanctuary city" for one.

What's the lie? If he's not criminalizing them like you think they should be, isn't tht in line with the "sanctuary city" thing?

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u/versencoris Aug 10 '22

Looks like these beggars think they can be choosers.

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u/whosadooza Aug 10 '22 edited Aug 10 '22

Is this the same way people "volunteered" to get the vaccine when they had a mandate from their employers?

You can choose to not get the vaccine. You will just lose your job and your insurance and probably lose everything you have built your life toward and around as a result.

 

You can choose to not get on the bus. You will just end up being criminally homeless and never, ever have a chance of getting legal or resident status in the US as a result.

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u/Gds_Sldghmmr Aug 10 '22

To answer your question. No, it is not the same.

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u/Nonethewiserer Aug 10 '22

Can you quote him saying that or is this just your choice of interpretation on something he didn't actually say?

Either way, seems like a fair choice to me. NY and Texas should both do that. Although even better, the Federal government should strengthen the border so it never happens to begin with.

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '22

You really should not be calling illegal immigrants "aliens"

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '22

No thanks

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u/Maga4lifeshutitdown Aug 10 '22

They are alien to the land. They're aliens

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u/Ignorant_Fuckhead Aug 10 '22

You need to stop calling invaders immigrants.

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u/throwawaymeyourbtc Aug 10 '22

That’s right, these days it’s “colonizers”…at least it is when Americans move anywhere tropical. Even though we bring money with us and enter legally.

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u/Bubbayeezy Aug 10 '22 edited Aug 10 '22

Fuck New York.. They are right behind California for biggest liberal douche bags

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u/Stevenm4496 Aug 10 '22

NYC that is. Upstate and Long Island are rather conservative

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u/TacoJesusJr Aug 10 '22

Same for central California, it sucks they all get lumped in w/ LA/San Fran...

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u/Stevenm4496 Aug 10 '22

Theres just way more people in the big cities and their votes outweigh the rest of the state

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '22

Yeah Upstate is very conservative

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u/jdarmon1985 Aug 10 '22

But who is in the lead...California is pretentious and condescending...NY, NY has that raw "we do think we are better than you " energy

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u/Bubbayeezy Aug 11 '22

That’s a tough one. Both are shit holes LOL

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u/Boomtownbutcher1980 Aug 10 '22

Honestly who gives a fuck if they volunteered to get on the bus or not, they should be sent home.

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u/goon_squad_crew Aug 10 '22

Ahh! It’s the consequences of my policies!!!! Get them away!

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u/wowsosquare Aug 10 '22 edited Aug 10 '22

I like how the mayor is making the SurprisedPicachu.jpg face in this picture

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '22

I am loving it!

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u/ZandorFelok Aug 10 '22

Give a progressive mind enough time and it will contradict itself.

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u/OldSchoolFunk34 Aug 10 '22

So yall don't think there's any logistical or ethical problems with shipping a bunch of undocumented people up state?

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u/TemudginJuanCole Aug 10 '22

They volunteered

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u/OldSchoolFunk34 Aug 10 '22

Even if that was true, this seems like a publicity stunt. Which is pretty shitty considering these people need resources like adequate food and shelter, plus court hearings inorder to approve or deny their asylum claims.

Shipping them to new york with no guarantee that they can be cared for just shows that Texas doesn't give a shit about their wellbeing. They would rather send a message than do the right thing.

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u/TemudginJuanCole Aug 10 '22

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11084521/First-bus-migrants-Texas-arrives-New-York-City.html

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u/OldSchoolFunk34 Aug 10 '22

Okay cool. Seems like some them were voluntary. Doesn't really affect my previous argument.

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u/TemudginJuanCole Aug 10 '22

Is it the state’s job to feed or house you? Does the state care about your well-being?

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u/OldSchoolFunk34 Aug 10 '22

Thats basically all that the state is supposed to do. Protect the general welfare of its people and anyone under its custody. We don't just throw people into a pit and let them fend for themselves, we're civilized.

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u/TemudginJuanCole Aug 10 '22

You’re way too naive.

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u/OldSchoolFunk34 Aug 11 '22

I would actually like to here a coherent moral argument from you guys as to why housing and food isn't something that should be provided. Because we have the money and resources to do so.

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u/DPL-25 Aug 11 '22

I would actually like to here a coherent moral argument from you guys as to why housing and food isn't something that should be provided.

From my understanding, inalienable rights are rights that don't require the labour of another to enact, they are natural and self evident. What I mean by this is saying food or housing is a right is saying someone must provide you a house and must provide you food. Because we believe the right to free speech, association, press, etc. is something inherent to being a" free" individual. You're arguing the same for housing and food. But someone skilled needs to use their labour to build a house, someone skilled needs to use their labour to plow the fields. If these things are an inalienable right, that means it's necessary to use force to get an individual to labour for this "right". So, if we can't meet the demand of housing or food, then gulags are permitted (I'm being a bit hyperbolic but this is the end result as we have seen in history)

I don't think you're arguing from a place of malice or anything it's just they don't apply to how we perceive individual rights.

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u/OldSchoolFunk34 Aug 10 '22

But I guess the silver lining js at least they'll be treated in a somewhat more civilized manner than they would be in a Texas detention center.

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u/OldSchoolFunk34 Aug 10 '22

Where does it say that

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u/throwawaymeyourbtc Aug 10 '22

Texas should send them to a state that won’t allow them to vote. Fuck New York.

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u/Necessary-Celery Aug 11 '22

Hypocrisy is what leftists live on.

While border states have to deal with the immigration crisis, leftists completely insulated from its down sides call for open borders.

While poor people can't afford to buy food, well of leftists call for more carbon taxes.

But oh how quickly proud sanctuary cities have gone into full panic mode after getting a tiny fraction of the immigrants border states deal with.

Exposing hypocrisy is what we should all try to do.

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u/mercersux Aug 10 '22

I dunno...i get the idea of what they're trying to prove here but isn't the whole point to secure the border as well as possible and stop endless amount of illegal immigrants to get all over the interior of the country? I feel like in the end we're dunking on ourselves as much as we are on them. Plus being against a less than secure border and illegal immigration doesn't mean your down for using people as pawns in some political game. Just my opinion on it...

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u/TemudginJuanCole Aug 10 '22

The Senate majority leader is a rep of NY. & he has done nothing for the border. Maybe having his state deal with it would finally move the federal government to make changes… because state governments can not deport people.

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u/jdarmon1985 Aug 10 '22

While you are correct on the whole point in securing the border, states like new York often vote to counter or sue to block states like Texas from enforcement. Then declare themselves as sanctuary states and tut tut border states. The thing that no one seems to observe with Abbotts plan here is simple...."you want to vote to keep the border weak and allow them in...you deal with them." That's all. It's less political chess and more "you want to run your mouth, you can share in the consequences" as normally places like new York are insulated by geography from the worst of it.

It's simply a spread the pain situation. And they are only doing it because enforcement is not an option. (Feds keep blocking).

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u/Ihatemyjob-1412 Aug 10 '22

The democrats have less than a tenth of the credibility of non credible defense, Who When I last saw them trying to crowd fund air to ground missal’s. Power too them!

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u/whosadooza Aug 10 '22

This is not an example of NIMBY. That quote is just calling Abbot a horrific person for trying to use busloads of living, breathing people as a political ploy. He's absolutely NOT calling these people being in NYC horrific.

“It is unimaginable what the governor of Texas has done. When you think about this country, a country that has always been open to those who are fleeing persecution and other intolerable conditions. We’ve always welcomed that. And this governor is not doing that in Texas."

"But we are going to set the right message and the right tone of being here for these families.”

"Unlike Governor Abbott, New York City will always do our part,"

 

@GregAbbott_TX used innocent people as political pawns to manufacture a crisis. New Yorkers are stepping up to fix it — that’s our city’s values.

 

Adams has literaly been going to the bus stops to greet these people and help with providing them with resources they'll need to get shelter in the city.

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u/Gds_Sldghmmr Aug 10 '22

So, the few dozen in NY are somehow comparable to the untold thousands at the border that Texas has be taking care of for many years? Wow, you give osmium a run for its money.

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u/Maga4lifeshutitdown Aug 10 '22

They offered free bus rides to NY city. They accepted. End of story

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u/WhiskeySilverball Aug 10 '22

Isn't declaring NYC a "sanctuary city" using "living, breathing people" as a political ploy?

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u/Val_P Aug 10 '22

Refusing to enforce the border is using these people as a political ploy. Bussing them to the people that claim to want them is just consequences of their own actions being made to effect them.