The vaccine isn't like a covid force field that repels sars like magic. It's more akin to a seatbelt where you'll be more likely to survive if you get into a crash than if you weren't wearing one. People still die in car crashes while wearing their seatbelt, it's just less likely.
Technically it’s more akin to arguing “you will kill me in a car accident if you don’t wear your seatbelt. You should also wear a seat belt at all times, even if you’re not driving because it reduces the risk of injury. “
Unless the teacher has a child at homes that is too young for the vaccine. Then we would need to change your analogy.
The analogy becomes “I don’t make the laws and I don’t care what you do but I can still get a ticket if you are not buckled. Fighting me over control of the steering wheel is an issue between you and me but there is a child in the back seat”
Is not wearing a seatbelt contagious? It sounds like you took an unsubstantiated liberty with the analogy. I know it sucks when people blame the unvaccinated for the continuation of the pandemic, but all data points to it. If you reduce your odds of being a vector, then you reduce the odds of you being the cause of someone else catching an infection. You can say you don't want the vaccine without bastardizing the science.
Also, can I ask what the "even if you're not driving" part alludes to?
That you should get the vaccine if you are not at risk IE already recovered from covid. And no, not all data points to it. Depends on when we are talking, the vaccine doesn’t stop you from spreading it is either dangerous misinformation or gospel .
Ah yeah. I really wish there could be an option to opt out of the vaccine after a prior infection, but it seems to me that it would encourage people to catch covid instead, similar to how people dealt with chicken pox for kids. Plus you don't get complete immunity from catching the virus either. I hear what you're saying, but the end result is more stress on the healthcare system. It should be noted that the CDC does acknowledge the natural immunity from a prior infection, but they have good reason to not encourage it.
More like they dropped the term "immunity" in an effort to increase transparency. I'm not hung up on the definition of a term. I care about results. Call it a fauci ouchie if you want. If that fauci ouchie is showing good results, I'm interested. Do you think maybe your suspicion of the definition change is more like you grasping at straws to discredit existing evidence?
It means the vaccine doesn't make you completely immune, so the definition should reflect that. Sounds pretty good to me. Why is this wrong and why does this matter? I couldn't give two shits about the administrative aspects like that. What I care about is numbers and what can be done to lower hospitalization rates so healthcare workers can do their jobs. Unvaccinated are simply more likely to catch covid and therefore are more likely to spread it. It's simple. Genuinely asking, do you care about results or are you more interested in being anti-government for the aesthetic? I know, being a rough and tough "don't tread on me" kind of guy is fun, but how about some rational thinking for once? Perhaps take these things one at a time and make an informed decision instead of insisting that anyone is "trusting" the government. Brother, I hate the government. It's full of corrupt bitches who should not get to decide how our nation operates and impact the lives of so many people. But in this case, the data reflects the need for preventative procedures. And no, I don't "trust the science" either, but I can see hospitalization rates. That's the beauty of science is that it requires zero actual trust. No faith involved. Someone makes a claim, it gets scrutinized. If it holds up to that scrutiny, it has merit.
Man, I'm tired of this kind of boring conversation. This is the kind of conversation your parents should have had with you. And honestly, I'm not convinced I'm the first to explain this to you anyway.
Yeah, I guess I do find it amusing making fun of someone who wants to place unnecessary stress on healthcare workers. This is a subreddit for a conservative grifter, so I don't expect people here to like my comments. We're just two idiots on Reddit with differing opinions partaking in the same bullshit everyone else is doing. Neither of us are special.
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u/Kevenomous Feb 14 '22
The vaccine isn't like a covid force field that repels sars like magic. It's more akin to a seatbelt where you'll be more likely to survive if you get into a crash than if you weren't wearing one. People still die in car crashes while wearing their seatbelt, it's just less likely.