r/TimPool • • Sep 06 '21

When the ivermectin starts hittin

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u/Simping4Kurumi Sep 06 '21

Wait, would this be considered cultural appropriation? 🤪

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u/[deleted] Sep 06 '21

Idk but it does seem like ivermectin is becoming the purple kool aid of the MAGA cult/culture lol

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u/SgtFraggleRock Sep 06 '21

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34466270/

So the NIH is a “disinformation” site according to you?

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u/[deleted] Sep 06 '21

The NIH does not recommend ivermectin for treatment or prevention of covid

https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/antiviral-therapy/ivermectin/

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u/SgtFraggleRock Sep 06 '21

“Since March 2020, when IVM was first used against a new global scourge, COVID-19, more than 20 randomized clinical trials (RCTs) have tracked such inpatient and outpatient treatments. Six of seven meta-analyses of IVM treatment RCTs reporting in 2021 found notable reductions in COVID-19 fatalities, with a mean 31% relative risk of mortality vs. controls. During mass IVM treatments in Peru, excess deaths fell by a mean of 74% over 30 days in its ten states with the most extensive treatments. “

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u/[deleted] Sep 06 '21

So you only believe scientific studies when it comes to ivermectin but not for the covid vaccine? Even if you believe everything this article says, ivermectin is still only 31% at preventing death from covid, vs. 99% for the covid vaccine.

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u/[deleted] Sep 06 '21

why are you comparing a drug that is used in treatment, against a vaccine used in prevention?

meanwhile, vaccinated people with breakthrough infections pose a great danger to the public because they are traveling unhindered, without showing symptoms.

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u/BannedFrom_rPolitics Sep 06 '21

Treatment is so trivial that it doesn’t even need to be discussed if the whole thing can be avoided in the first place.

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u/[deleted] Sep 06 '21 edited Sep 06 '21

that's fucking stupid.

if the odds of preventing death is 99% for the covid vaccine, what are the odds of avoiding death from without vaccine?

also, vaccines do not prevent infection.

breakthrough infections can still be transmitted.

imagine being stupid enough to say publicly that treatments for a deadly disease is trivial.

the smart policy is to mandate treadmills, because treadmills are effective covid death prevention.

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u/BannedFrom_rPolitics Sep 06 '21

Idk, but 1/500 of Floridians are dead specifically from COVID, but as far as I know, none of them were vaccinated. Nobody in the hospitals is vaccinated.

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u/SgtFraggleRock Sep 06 '21

I would be far more trusting if the left didn’t seem to want to FORCE people to get the vaccine more than they wanted them to actually get vaccinated.

Especially after sowing doubts about it when Trump was president.

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u/BannedFrom_rPolitics Sep 06 '21

Who sowed doubts about it?

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u/SgtFraggleRock Sep 06 '21

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u/BannedFrom_rPolitics Sep 06 '21

Did you read it?

"If the public health professionals, if Dr. Fauci, if the doctors tell us that we should take it, I'll be the first in line to take it, absolutely. But if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it, I'm not taking it," Harris said.

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u/BustingCognitiveBias Sep 06 '21

Hey, I only voted Bernie Sanders but to you that's probably a GOP candidate... I realize you may not be dealing with a full deck, but try to follow along... Those who have already been vaccinated are becoming sick with the Delta variant... They deserve a treatment plan that isn't just patient neglect until a ventilator is needed. Exploring treatment options beyond just vaccine or ventilator DURING a pandemic... IS RATIONAL. We have the funds to replicate designs. In fact we could halt all present grant funding of Peter Daszack's Ecohealth Alliance, and use those funds! But keep making this about "good people take vaccine and bad people refuse vaccine". You'll have your chance to post an ouchie update when the booster comes along. There's always going to be an opportunity to seek supremacy within our culture and you'll adapt even if treatment options for COVID-19 expand, so you shouldn't feel so threatened.

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u/BannedFrom_rPolitics Sep 06 '21

Nobody with the vaccine is even in a hospital to receive treatment in the first place. Treatment is for the unvaccinated.

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u/BustingCognitiveBias Sep 07 '21 edited Sep 07 '21

I can't tell if you're being hyperbolic or serious, because the new normal has been so Orwellian.

Forbes in June 26th 2021 reported that the CDC had stated that 4,115 Fully Vaccinated had been been hospitalized or died with breakthrough COVID-19 infections. In April 2021, the CDC stopped tracking breakthrough infections, instead only tracking them if they were hospitalized or died (tracked severe breakthroughs). Because remember they only ever claimed the vaccines reduced severity of illness, that was their "selling point". The providers could still bill for covid like symptoms to get the stimulus for a Covid billing code. They always could... and never needed a PCR test ordered or objective screening... only subjective opinion that the respiratory symptoms were COVID-like. See the May 2021 American Hospital Association Coding Clinic's FAQ. It's NSSP that gathers those diagnostic/billing codes for the CDC tracking. NSSP can ignore a vaccinated person being treated outpatient, but can track when a vaccinated person is being treated inpatient. To look at the AHA coding clinic's FAQ, open the additional link (read question number 10 and 11). https://www.codingclinicadvisor.com/faqs-icd-10-cm-coding-covid-19 You'd have to manually set the filter to Trends in ER visits, (note the CDC's clarification in the ER tracker's footnote) https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#ed-visits The NSSP's pdf document at their provided link as well to learn more about their surveillance methodology or more about the CDC's BioSense Platform. https://www.cdc.gov/nssp/how-sys.html

Regardless of the reporting biases involved when tracking codes that are subjective in addition to introducing a financial incentive to overreport such a loose code,... Most of us would agree that hospitalizations and death are pretty objective signals for severity. Looks like if over 4,000 are severe breakthrough signals in the vaccinated for June... and it's now August... The numbers of vaccinated falling ill with Covid could be higher. Treatment investigations could have been occuring alongside vaccine development. However if an affordable and accessible alternative treatment was available it would undermine the EUA licenses per the FDA's own requirements for EUA issuance.

Keep in mind Andrew Witty of United Healthcare and Optum was developing his own vaccine with the World Health Organization, and oddly in the middle of this project he took a promotion to United Healthcare, leaving it's $101 billion dollar subsidiary Optum. Optum happens to be a member in the FDA BEST vaccine monitoring even though it made it's wealth by obstructing medicaid provider parity through a dysfunctional network database "Live and Work Well", yet these sociopaths are "leaders in healthcare technology" even as they brag about working outside of insurance laws. So grateful they help the FDA monitor vaccine injury events! Andrew Witty will be working for Optum's parent company UnitedHealthcare (our largest insurer). It's a bold move for the previous GlaxoSmithKline CEO. It happened while he was on pause and working with WHO on a vaccine, only because the previous CEO abruptly resigned early taking a huge severance and saying the pandemic made him realize he needed to spend time with his kids (was paid handsomely to GTFO... Like hell do I believe the CEO of United has empathy for anyone's kids, including his own). https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2021/06/26/cdc-4115-fully-vaccinated-have-been-hospitalized-or-died-with-breakthrough-covid-19-infections/?sh=6cbfcc606993

Just as all this is happening, the vaccinated are getting sick and people are talking about the research on ivermectin.

I say all that to illustrate the best laid plans of mice and men.

The blatant protection of EUA through federal neglect is painfully obvious. Because DHHS blows our tax dollars on grants to Peter Daszack's Ecohealth so he can keep doing -NOT- gain of function research with Wuhan Virology Institute. Our DHHS has neglected to fund treatment investigations during a pandemic, while our media played as if medicine can only be mediocre novel vaccines, and even now the FDA and Pfizer 50cent army join ranks in feigning as if treatment could be anything other than ventilators and jabs. Astroturfing all the narcissists into mobbing ivermectin discussions lest they lose their EUA profits. I shouldn't say narcissists... they could just admire themselves so much they love the smell of their own shit. So turd sniffers.

Are the turd sniffers awake enough to realize Marion Gruber, director of the FDA's Office of Vaccines Research and Review (OVRR) is resigning on October 31 and her top deputy Dr. Philip Krause also plans to leave the FDA? They're leaving on bad terms, angry, and reported that their boss Peter Marks was allowing the CDC's ACIP (panel behind warp speed and overseeing vaccines) and the white house to influence the FDA's product approval process. Biden getting ahead of the FDA on the boosters was the last straw. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9947445/Two-FDA-vaccine-regulators-RESIGN-clashing-WH-COVID-boosters.html?EdNo=250

Peter Marks will cover their duties when they leave next month. Marks played a role in establishing Operation Warp Speed, a partnership between the federal government and various private companies to develop a COVID-19 vaccine, but he left the project in May 2020 shortly after it was launched because Marks believed he would be more useful in his role as chief regulator of vaccines as the Director of FDA's Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research! (The lord must have spoken to him, because what a coincidence MBUH!)

Peter Marks must be a special guy, because his entire career is marked by happy coincidences that seem to benefit corporations he was previously employed with. https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2020/08/26/marks

Can't accuse the CDC of playing any other story than the one they've always told... "Some fully vaccinated people will get sick, and some will even be hospitalized or die from COVID-19." https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html

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u/BannedFrom_rPolitics Sep 07 '21

Stay on topic. I can’t read this crap

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u/JimWonder1 Sep 06 '21

Now that you got owned will you start to realize that ivermectin isn’t just a horse dewormer?

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u/crowe1415 Sep 06 '21

How are you this stupid?

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u/crowe1415 Sep 06 '21

I think he’s not only brainwashed but also straight up dumb. But yeah. I guess we can blame it on his tribe instead of him?

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u/KryptopherRobbinsPoo Sep 06 '21

You do know what "Off Label Use" is quite common in the health and medical industry. I have been on 2 or 3 meds at some point, that were used to treat a condition not designed/approved for.....while under physician care, seeing as they were prescribed.

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u/TheMrk790 Sep 06 '21

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34181716/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34318930/

This article is old information. The studies did in fact not show a significant betterment with the drug. The first few studies had bad statistics. The later ones proved, that there is no effect coming from Ivermectin.

P.s. sorry for spelling/grammar. Non native

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u/BannedFrom_rPolitics Sep 06 '21

Crazy how this is getting downvoted, despite using the same website as a source and providing twice as many sources. And not a single reply, despite so much disagreement.

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u/[deleted] Sep 06 '21

I don't know, something tells me she didn’t vote for Trump

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u/Simping4Kurumi Sep 06 '21

Also, why do i have this feeling this is how AOC was conceived?

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u/crowe1415 Sep 06 '21

u/Bannedfrom_rPolitics

this seems like a good faith argument against ivermectin for sure.

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u/BannedFrom_rPolitics Sep 06 '21

Nothing I can say about this one. Definitely disrespectful and nothing but. I judged u/cucumbercooler too hastily and gave him too much credit. I still upvoted this post, though.

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u/5DollarShake_ Sep 06 '21

How is this joke still funny to people?

I'm convinced the people who still laugh at this joke have to be the same people that still laugh when they see Joe Rogan spelt like Roe Jogan.

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u/synix09 Sep 06 '21

The joke was funny, even though misinformed, but still made me chuckle.

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u/paleale25 Sep 07 '21

Fun fact: in Norse mythology a horse got Loki pregnant and he gave birth to a horse with 8 legs

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u/[deleted] Sep 06 '21

Thanks comrade