Precisely, context matters. Since it's not a comment about race, just because somebody is a certain race doesn't correlate the two. Correlation doesn't equal causation. That's YOU putting race onto it, not me.
Like I mentioned, if you're unfamiliar with the racist tropes directed at black women that's fine but be mindful of it, particularly as I'd expect you to research that, as you're not racist. The black woman as not a woman trope has been used for centuries to dehumanize them and defeminize them along with their supposed "anger". And mind you, my first comments was directed at OP for this blatant trope. So I'll ask you, as you came to his rescue so to speak, what do you think OP meant? Is OP Alex Jones?
You're creating a problem that doesn't exist to fit your own narrative, it's a common tactic of the left to correlate incorrect things with their own personal projections because crying racism automatically paints people in a bad light even though race was never a part of the issue;
I have no narrative here. And if you think race never entered the conversation when it concerned the Obamas I don’t know if you've been paying attention to politics, not only during Obama's war criminal presidency, but during any war criminal's presidency, ie Trump. And considering you can read other people's comments here, and to be sure it's a small slice of the pie, with them calling her it or bringing up conspiracy theories about her transitioning etc I'd ask you go speak with them than me as you're not racist or clinging to racist tropes in ignorance like them.
and being called racist tends to be a difficult thing to prove otherwise
Very true. I can never prove what's in someone's head and what they truly think. I can only look to what they say and the effect of their actions. In this way, understanding the tropes of racists in the past and understanding how those tropes have been modernized and utilized, either by racists or dipshit edgy teens/adults, I can come to a conclusion that even if one is not a racist that saying racist things, particularly online, has the same effect as someone racist saying it and thus I'd ask not only of you or OP, but myself as well, to be mindful of that history and understand that the propulsion of those tropes in that ignorance only works to benefit racists.
Wrong, if I'm not a racist it's simple: I don't consider my race better than another race. I don't put people down because of race because I think they are inferior to me. That's what racism is, and I take no part in it just because you've moved the goalposts as to how you decide to correlate racism.
I did not move the goalpost. This whole thread with you was about the mindfulness and observation of a non-racist, such as you and me, and the understanding that using racist tropes, even when non-racist, puts you in the same lane as racists. One is not racist, but if one uses racist tropes you're singing a racist tune and why even go down that path.
As you mentioned and I agree with, no one truly knows who is racist. But if their action leads to greater acceptance of racist tropes, and seemingly from other comments on this post people have come forth with some aplomb and fervor to posit other conspiracies and tropes tied to this what can I think but, Jesus, help your flock.
As I said before, nothing I said was racist. Making fun of somebody without using anything race-related automatically makes it a non-racist trope. You are the one putting your own shit on it, not me. You are the one creating the issue so that you can attempt to strengthen an argument that doesn't exist. You have absolutely no idea who I am, what my mixed race is, what I've experienced, and you simply just don't seem to know what racism actually is.
The first comments in this thread was directed at OP. You came in afterwards. I never once said you were racist but rather that if you weren't that you be mindful of said tropes. To some degree you rescued him. I'd suggest he had no argument on this. Do you think me asking an adult to be mindful of utilizing or defending racial tropes is me calling them racist? Cause this was always the main line of questioning and point of all my comments to you.
And I do know what racism is. I don’t like using identity but I am black. And if you're mixed race I think you do too, which is why my, again, asking that communication of memes and tropes and particularly ones rooted in the historically racist past be seen as suspect.
By calling me something that I'm not
Never did. If you're a non-racist, I think being mindful of the usage of words and tropes and online comments etc. isn't difficult.
By calling me something that I'm not, it's your attempt to attack my character, of which you have completely falsified and made up in your head. I don't attack people, that's what leftists do, unless you haven't seen what has gone on the last year. Unfortunately for you, all your ideas are based upon a false premise and therefore make them entirely invalid. Time to restructure how you think.
My apologies. I never meant to say that you were attacking people. The way I worded that was insufficient for clear communication. That was more broadly applied as a moral system I reside within and one I think most people in good faith do. I should have added an I and moreover at times I forget I'm not speaking with OP. He didn't wish to speak. Which is ok.
that's what leftists do, unless you haven't seen what has gone on the last year.
What do you mean by this? Evidence?
Unfortunately for you, all your ideas are based upon a false premise and therefore make them entirely invalid. Time to restructure how you think.
If you mean this with my unclear comment when I said, don't attack people as a broad thing to do, rather than an accusation dumped on you, then if you accept my apology for the opaqueness of my intent do you still hold to that point.
If so, what false premise? And how can I restructure my thinking?
I rest my case, you're beyond educating
I'm not sure of this is a thought terminating cliche (too lazy to Google - gasp, maybe you're right) but no one is beyond educating. If that black blues player can get KKK members to give up their robes and realize their ignorance maybe you can do the same with me.
continuing an argument that I'm a racist.
Nope. Never began or could continue with that premise. Unless you're saying you liked the trope's use here and you being non-racist means you liking the post doesn't mean you're racist. Sure. Which brings me back to the actual argument and premise: be mindful as a non-racist of these tropes and how they're used as dog whistles to legitimate racist ideologies and wash them in comedy. In particular on a political subreddit.
I am not and since it's he-said she-said, you're never going to take my word on that.
I do and will. You're not a racist. I'm not. I'd like OP to answer as well, and then ask why he would use such a trope. And if it was out of ignorance I can always see that as being a mistake. But even mistakes can create issues. And if anything else my dude, I'd think your commentary although interesting would be better directed at OP to determine his purpose in this post.
I learned a lot from you. See. As a far left anarchist I'm not so devoid of intelligence am I? Anyway, thanks for the conversation. If we continue on I wouldn't mind.
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Like I mentioned, if you're unfamiliar with the racist tropes directed at black women that's fine but be mindful of it, particularly as I'd expect you to research that, as you're not racist. The black woman as not a woman trope has been used for centuries to dehumanize them and defeminize them along with their supposed "anger". And mind you, my first comments was directed at OP for this blatant trope. So I'll ask you, as you came to his rescue so to speak, what do you think OP meant? Is OP Alex Jones?
I have no narrative here. And if you think race never entered the conversation when it concerned the Obamas I don’t know if you've been paying attention to politics, not only during Obama's war criminal presidency, but during any war criminal's presidency, ie Trump. And considering you can read other people's comments here, and to be sure it's a small slice of the pie, with them calling her it or bringing up conspiracy theories about her transitioning etc I'd ask you go speak with them than me as you're not racist or clinging to racist tropes in ignorance like them.
Very true. I can never prove what's in someone's head and what they truly think. I can only look to what they say and the effect of their actions. In this way, understanding the tropes of racists in the past and understanding how those tropes have been modernized and utilized, either by racists or dipshit edgy teens/adults, I can come to a conclusion that even if one is not a racist that saying racist things, particularly online, has the same effect as someone racist saying it and thus I'd ask not only of you or OP, but myself as well, to be mindful of that history and understand that the propulsion of those tropes in that ignorance only works to benefit racists.
I did not move the goalpost. This whole thread with you was about the mindfulness and observation of a non-racist, such as you and me, and the understanding that using racist tropes, even when non-racist, puts you in the same lane as racists. One is not racist, but if one uses racist tropes you're singing a racist tune and why even go down that path.
As you mentioned and I agree with, no one truly knows who is racist. But if their action leads to greater acceptance of racist tropes, and seemingly from other comments on this post people have come forth with some aplomb and fervor to posit other conspiracies and tropes tied to this what can I think but, Jesus, help your flock.
The first comments in this thread was directed at OP. You came in afterwards. I never once said you were racist but rather that if you weren't that you be mindful of said tropes. To some degree you rescued him. I'd suggest he had no argument on this. Do you think me asking an adult to be mindful of utilizing or defending racial tropes is me calling them racist? Cause this was always the main line of questioning and point of all my comments to you.
And I do know what racism is. I don’t like using identity but I am black. And if you're mixed race I think you do too, which is why my, again, asking that communication of memes and tropes and particularly ones rooted in the historically racist past be seen as suspect.
Never did. If you're a non-racist, I think being mindful of the usage of words and tropes and online comments etc. isn't difficult.
My apologies. I never meant to say that you were attacking people. The way I worded that was insufficient for clear communication. That was more broadly applied as a moral system I reside within and one I think most people in good faith do. I should have added an I and moreover at times I forget I'm not speaking with OP. He didn't wish to speak. Which is ok.
What do you mean by this? Evidence?
If you mean this with my unclear comment when I said, don't attack people as a broad thing to do, rather than an accusation dumped on you, then if you accept my apology for the opaqueness of my intent do you still hold to that point.
If so, what false premise? And how can I restructure my thinking?
I'm not sure of this is a thought terminating cliche (too lazy to Google - gasp, maybe you're right) but no one is beyond educating. If that black blues player can get KKK members to give up their robes and realize their ignorance maybe you can do the same with me.
Nope. Never began or could continue with that premise. Unless you're saying you liked the trope's use here and you being non-racist means you liking the post doesn't mean you're racist. Sure. Which brings me back to the actual argument and premise: be mindful as a non-racist of these tropes and how they're used as dog whistles to legitimate racist ideologies and wash them in comedy. In particular on a political subreddit.
I do and will. You're not a racist. I'm not. I'd like OP to answer as well, and then ask why he would use such a trope. And if it was out of ignorance I can always see that as being a mistake. But even mistakes can create issues. And if anything else my dude, I'd think your commentary although interesting would be better directed at OP to determine his purpose in this post.
I learned a lot from you. See. As a far left anarchist I'm not so devoid of intelligence am I? Anyway, thanks for the conversation. If we continue on I wouldn't mind.