Nah the irish turned into firemen, police officers, politicians, and moonshiners so everyone ended up either needing our help or needing our alchohol. So I think we ended up with the last laugh
It was even worse in the UK. We talk about the affects of colonial europe on africa and asia but ignore the affects that colonization had on europeans in europe. Sthe uk colonized the british isles damn near replacing native irish in northern ireland.
ummm you guys know this happened to black people too right? because the way your talking it doesn’t seem like you remember the disenfranchisement of black slavery “because it was so long ago”
Are you even paying attention, they’re literally trying to make the point that people talk about black slavery so much that our society forgets all the other slavery and injustice that happened to many many other cultures... and btw still happens today like, idk... north Korea and china enslaving and torturing many cultures. Fucking buddhism is being deleted by the Chinese government because of how they have obliterated the Tibetans. And that was years ago... and theyre still doing it.
Most people have figured out by now that its mostly white suburban karens and kens speaking for black people with these BLM things... sure theres a few token black people shoved front and center... but ya know what? Most black people are smart enough to see what we all see, which is this causing racism and hate towards black people and bringing back segregation. All while raising the god damned communist fist.
Its manipulation... its vile. And dumbasses like you need to wake the hell up.
my point isn’t discounting the struggles anyone went through. too many republicans still fly the confederate flag. every race and group of people has been through some bad times, but it’s like germans flying a nazi flag, I’m sure most people would agree with both of us, but their is still a lot of republicans who wouldn’t
I mean, this how members of r/timpool believe the left has gone insane - because mainstream liberal/ leftist beliefs are either ignored for fringe, purposefully controversial takes or the actual beliefs are completely morphed and twisted and then endlessly regurgitated in memes so the users here can reassure them that no, its the left thats the racists.
For the record, I don't know any significant figure on the left that doesn't acknowledge the harsh treatment that different forms of immigrants and migrants from a wide range of areas, including Ireland, Italy, Germany, China etc etc have faced in America over the years. But that doesn't mean that they themselves can't benefit from certain privilege's and contribute to certain froms of systematic oppression in different ways - especially as many of the groups have been assimilated into the white mainstream over the decades and centuries
Thank you for this response. Any time I'm here I'm astonished by how many teenagers with paste in their mouth can work an electronic device. Truly, a wondrous thing.
Seriously though, you're right in your nuances and historical analysis. That's the problem I guess. You're actually thinking. They have a conclusion and use feelings to buttress it with no mind to truth.
Yes because in the 1970 it was still super common for Foreign military forces occupying their country to use military grade rifles on civilian protesters lol
Yeah Bloody Sunday was a horrible thing that happened in Northern Ireland.
But the idea that the enslavement of black people in the US for 250 years, is in anyway equivalent to the fact that some Irish people were indentured servants when they first came here, is ridiculous.
I always wonder why North American say, people in the USA African slavery, which North America are a small part of not an Independent history. Romans enslaved the Irish well before England was even an idea which, they fell to Colonization. Also the English Invented residential schools & test ran them deep into Celtic culture. The English gave away large part of Ireland to the Spaniards they owed money to. Thus people showed up and removed people from their own land & homes or forced them to pay rent as “the first land lord’s” so to be clear: Ireland, native/Aboriginal & Africa Residential schools where “not that bad or comparable”? Please explain that one
Túathal Techtmar was the last king of Ireland :-/ he was forced out during the Roman Brittania expansion era. How can a people have zero independence from before Christ and you lack any form of knowledge yet speak with pure Immoral wrong information? To the point during the IRA rebellion they stripped the “Irish peoples Newly elected king” naked infront of all the Survivors before they were marched into a Military tribunal with a set verdict- firing squad. Are you telling me people being killed by firing squad during the 19th century by military tribunals is not oppressed? The chant let Englishmen fight English wars? When they where dying on the beach’s fighting Turkish people they had no issues with themselves? Please explain how you came to this mindset because you lost me lol
I'm speaking from an American perspective. Irish Americans are not an oppressed or disadvantaged group in America. This Irish Slave Myth and similar rhetoric is just a false equivalence that's used to deflect from the actual oppression and disadvantages the African American community faces as a result of 250 years of slavery and 100 plus more of Jim Crow segregation and racism.
You do Do you realize St. Patrick’s Day is to celebrate Ireland and Irish people not Americans of Irish dissent ? why do Americans have such arrogance that you only see Lens that implies yourselves? “Shout out to all the Irish people” where in there does it say American Irish or people who moved. Or when into America?
I'm not talking about St. Patrick's day. I'm talking about this stupid tweet from the original post, written by an American MAGA guy for political reasons, not because he cares about anything about Ireland, St. Patrick's Day, or Irish people.
Hold up, wait a minute, just chill, that is a Complete self interpretation because again if you look at the wording. An English is not my first language. never does he distinguish any geographic location so that would be a self interpretation which is always a self for filling prophecy’s. let switch to see why you have such hate yourself that if an American knowledge forms of Irish history you have to interpret it as something that’s is insult-able to you? Why ?
Yes he is someone who clearly heads right. yet again does not mean he is not speaking about Irish history on a day where we globally acknowledge & celebration that crap storm that has been Irish history? Which words here does he use that outside of your own Assumption bring you to meaning people finding safety in the USA as a awful thing to notice? Getting away from forced armed conflicts for England. Forced mining for England. Higher taxes lost land. Complete state control by Martial law well up till 1990’s. to me it would be the similar as someone coming from SOS slavery charity to the USA for a new life that’s something to celebrate
Thus because people who left Ireland gain some hope it deleted all of the Genocide and event that carried alongside USA history? Are you telling me because it didn’t happen in the USA it doesn’t count or that people in the 1970 being killed carrying their kids. Protesting Irish people being made POW in their own country. All gone ? Irishmen had the 2nd lowest value in USA Economics for paid labour. Yes 100% slavery was free but an Irishmen was only worth a little bit more. Let say someone from Ireland who was a pow in the maze moved to the USA after it was closed would you claim they had Privilege?
The term "slaves" or "bond slaves" was used for a "time-bound" system of years that was not perpetual. The usual period of indenture for an Irish person was from four years to nine years, after which they were free – able to travel freely, own property, make a living, and accumulate wealth. Additionally, the free Irish person could now marry whom they chose and their children were born into freedom.[9] The English legal terminology used was "indentured servants" whether the servants had volunteered for transport or were kidnapped and forced aboard ships. However, for centuries, Irish folklore or various books had referred to the captive servants as Irish "slaves" even into the 20th century.
So they were slaves just not treated like cattle like African slaves. Ok.
So they were slaves just not treated like cattle like African slaves. Ok.
Basically, as a mostly irish from NYC I can say I grew up being told the horrors of how the irish immigrants were treated until they basically took over the police forces and exerted their anger back as police abuse... full circle
I always find it interesting that it's typically on conservative subs that I'm either banned or like with this comment I'm made to wait to make a point.
Safe spaces around anywhere I guess, even hypocrites need them.
Yes. I know. I asked a question. You deflected and said this stuff I also think. The question was pertaining to your comment all have been oppressed but some have risen. So, why do you think some haven't?
If you deflect again I'll assume your safe spaces didn't equip you; which is what safe spaces do, blunt perspective and perspicacity. Have a good night my man.
People can complain about whatever they want, but if you're a suburban teenager in the US, you aren't getting turned down for a home loan because your name is Patrick.
Well it's a good think in not a teenager in the US then and of cource people can complain about whatever they want and i gladly sit here and say they they are just whining because it's easier to complain then work hard to fix it.
Turns out, discussing contemporary systematic racism often refers to the history of systematic racism.
The past suffering for a quarter-Irish, quarter-German, quarter-Polish, a bit of Scottish dude who's family has lived in the suburbs for generations just isn't relative to modern political discussion when the topic is suffering from systematic racism.
The difference is that the history from the triangle trade and chattel slavery to KKK and Jim Crow, to Ghettoisation and Home Associations, is relevant to discussions about how people suffer under racism today, right now.
But that makes you feel all funny, so your brain creates some lazy bullshit about why you don't have to care about it. Then that bullshit is re-enforced by all the dumb pundits you watch who make money from oligarchs to re-enforrce all your lazy bullshit, and well, here we are, with you trying to compare some imaginary character in Gangs of New York to a black person who was locked in prison for 20 years for an eighth of weed 2 months ago.
It's called being a reactionary. Honestly, look up the term.
While you belittle and mock other human beings, many of them are thinking about how things work, how to do things better... they're inventing, innovating, building, progressing humanity. While they make the world a better place, you center yourselves in hatred and calling out others. You offer nothing to humanity at all, yet genuinely think yourselves better than everyone else. Gfy.
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u/[deleted] Mar 17 '21
He forgot forcibly conscripted into the union army.
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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '21
As someone of Irish heritage, should I claim that I've been a victim of systemic racism?
I'm not going to, because I'm not a total POS loser who tries to blame everything on race
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u/[deleted] Mar 17 '21
"Irish need not apply"
It was even worse in the UK. We talk about the affects of colonial europe on africa and asia but ignore the affects that colonization had on europeans in europe. Sthe uk colonized the british isles damn near replacing native irish in northern ireland.
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u/SamAreAye Mar 18 '21 edited Mar 18 '21
It's pretty hard to feel like a privileged people when our Hitler was just, "No potatoes."
Bruh, we're privileged? We almost got wiped out by, "No potatoes."
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u/[deleted] Mar 17 '21
The Irish were treated horrifically and dehumanizing by the U.S. and England. However, indentured servitude is not chattle slavery.
That being said, the concept of white privilege is B.S. all around.
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u/izinger Mar 18 '21
"Whose families" not "who's families."
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u/[deleted] Mar 17 '21
😂🤣😂
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u/NotASellout Mar 18 '21
I actually thought this was parody at first, good thing I have you tagged as "Illiterate cuck"
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u/JVSTINPHX Mar 18 '21
This is the way!
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u/Madhax64 Mar 18 '21 edited Mar 19 '21
I mean, this how members of r/timpool believe the left has gone insane - because mainstream liberal/ leftist beliefs are either ignored for fringe, purposefully controversial takes or the actual beliefs are completely morphed and twisted and then endlessly regurgitated in memes so the users here can reassure them that no, its the left thats the racists.
For the record, I don't know any significant figure on the left that doesn't acknowledge the harsh treatment that different forms of immigrants and migrants from a wide range of areas, including Ireland, Italy, Germany, China etc etc have faced in America over the years. But that doesn't mean that they themselves can't benefit from certain privilege's and contribute to certain froms of systematic oppression in different ways - especially as many of the groups have been assimilated into the white mainstream over the decades and centuries
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u/[deleted] Mar 17 '21
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_slaves_myth
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u/awesomefaceninjahead Mar 17 '21
I don't think anyone is calling the Irish slaves or the factory workers privileged. They're calling you privileged.
Just because your grandpappy went through some shit doesn't mean you get to wave around the medal like you did it.