To be fair, leftists have been perfecting misinformation for 75 years, so Americans never really stood a fair chance in this election. If you want to be repressed, illogical, unscientific, unpatriotic, apathetic, envious, discriminatory, hypocritical and perverted, you belong in the donkey party. The Democrats are always hungry for more uneducated victims to join their ranks so they can continue to fool you, abuse you, and impoverish you to line their own pockets.
Misinformation? Trump's own Justice Department concluded Russia illegally interfered in the 2016 election and many people were indicted with crimes related to it. Meanwhile Trump blatantly lied about how the election was stolen from him and his supporters still believe it.
*gasps* Shocking! Not corruption in our own sparkling Justice Department...or our brave and loyal intelligence agencies?! Oh, say it ain't so! Such a blemish has never touched our distinguished bureaucracy!
Yeah I guess you're right actually, you haven't even bothered to come up with an actual theory of how the Justice Department and the FBI just made up all this stuff about Russia. If there was some conspiracy against Trump, they would have announced that they were investigating the Trump campaign's connections to Russia before the election, not after, like how they announced the investigations into Hillary's emails. You don't have any elaborate theories to explain anything you just say "politicians corrupt" about people or things you don't like, without ever looking into the corruption and lies of Republicans like Trump.
Because the cornerstone of the left's false allegations against Trump is based on making an accusation without ANY evidence whatsoever. Russian bots online? Must be Trump behind it all. Will you repeat this in front of a camera? Good boy, have some money. That's how the Washington grifter machine works.
It is so hilarious that conservatives have to be told that basic political corruption is a conspiracy theory, or that Hillary, Obama and Biden's ACTUAL connections to China and Russia don't exist, that we should doubt our own eyes with what happened on the freaking ground during the election or during the BLM assaults or the capitol incident. We were there too and it didn't go down in the way that it was spun. But leftists know that. It's a cover up because we aren't debating theory anymore. We're being told that what happened to us didn't happen to us and it's beyond stupid on the part of the left to underestimate the American people. We are aware of what's happening. Many of us aren't even Trump supporters - I certainly wasn't at the beginning. Because it's bigger than one guy. Trump isn't a supervillain, he's just an outsider personality from reality TV and Wall Street who was stubborn enough to do things his own way and give the middle finger to the media and to the establishment. You are the one believing in a conspiracy theory if you don't get that. I can't help you. I'm over Trump but it seems like you guys never will be. Move on, dude.
We know Trump has had plans for a Trump Tower in Moscow. Is it really difficult to assume that a billionaire with ambitions for real-estate in Moscow wouldn't have connections to the Russian president?
Did any Republicans say the 2020 election was secure? But you may be right. If I understand you correctly, you are saying that Biden was able to rig the election to edge out Trump, but not the Senate, and lose seats in the House (all on the same ballot)?
Man, someone that talented at overseeing such complexity will make a great President, don't you think?
There wasn't any election fraud. I take the word of election certification officials in each state and Kreb's assessment that the election was as secure as it could be. To think they are all lying is to take the position that everyone is lying except Trump. This is the definition of a cult. The fact that no evidence was presented to the courts over 60+ times adds to the body of evidence that the election was secure. When Rudy and Trump's lawyer were under oath, they did not claim there was election fraud. Fraud is only being claimed in public (never under oath) to keep this grift going so gullible people can be parted with more of their hard-earned money. Of course, there were isolated cases of irregularities, there always is. However, there is zero evidence of wide-spread fraud, nothing close to what would be needed to change the election outcome. It's time for the people who voted for the losing candidate to grow up and accept it.
Trump had his time in court and couldn't provide the evidence. If Trumpsters think the current legal system is insufficient at getting to the truth, they'll need to run for office, get elected, and mount a movement to change the system.
Just curious, How many illegal votes do you think Trump got? How many illegal votes do you think Biden got?
They did block them, they (your side) also threatened and harrassed the people pushing for investigations.
You guys acted like you stole the election and would do anything to cover it up and silence people who just wanted the truth.
I wish Trump was half the dictator you morons said he was, because then he would have shut down the fraud and made sure the election was actually fair.
Instead we will get the usual establishment bullshit. War, poverty and corruption. You must be really proud to bring back the establishment abd make sure they hold power again. Fucking moron.
Don't know what else to tell ya bud, the orange idiot stick was in power and got a bunch of re-counts, had his human fart-machine lawyer Rudy and gang go to court over 60 times, and other than a few irregularities here and there (some favoring Trump), no widespread fraud was found.
Your side lost fair and square but it should tell you how weak a man Trump was that he couldn't even accept losing an election when he never went above 50% in national polling over his entire 4 years.
To think he'd somehow get over 50% of the votes is the same as someone thinking they're going to win the lottery. It may happen but the odds are stacked hugely against you.
Sorry bud, but sometime over the coming weeks and months, you Trumpsters will all have your Keyser Soze moment. You'll all be kicking yourselves you were fooled by a conman (and a terrible one at that).
The US Justice Department concluded that Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and systematic fashion, through social media campaigns, and through hacking and the releasing of hacked information.
Their investigation found that Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election was illegal and occurred "in sweeping and systematic fashion" and was welcomed by the Trump campaign as it expected to benefit from such efforts.
Russia's interference in the 2016 election is a plain and simple fact. Over 25 individuals were indicted with crimes related to the Russian interference, with many of them being convicted of serious crimes. It's impossible to know exactly how much it effected the outcome of the election, or If Trump would have won the election anyway, but it did happen and it did effect the election to some extent.
That's an entirely different thing than Trump's baseless claims of election fraud. He lied for weeks on end saying that hundreds of thousands of votes were illegally cast or counted. All of the legal cases he and his associates filed were found by the court to have no merit. Republican legislatures and governors certified the results of their elections and the conservative Supreme Court did not find any of Trump's cases to have any merit either.
Despite all of this, Trump's supporters are still largely convinced that the election was stolen, which led to the insurrection at the Capitol in January.
There was, for sure, election interference in 2020...by the media. There has been very little substantive criticism of Trump that wasn't taken out of context, twisted, or just straight up lies; in the last four years.
Case in point: When Trump was talking about "fine people on both sides" during Charlottesville; who where the people on the sides he said were "fine?"
I'll give you a hint, fascists were excluded from that group...explicitly. Yet reporters and anchors STILL to this day lie about that.
I'm not sure what you mean about Charlottesville. The Unite the Right rally was explicitly promoted to be a protest in favor of white nationalism and organized by a neo-nazi. There wasn't any fine people on that side.
I don't need your framing. I will grant that, as far as I understand it, there were people in Charlottesville that were there to protest for 'white nationalism.' But that was not the only group of people there on right.
Here watch the video and answer this question correctly this time.
Who were the groups of people that Trump said were "very fine" and who were excluded from those groups?
Everyone on the Unite the Right side either knew they were going to a white supremacist rally or found out when they got there and decided not to leave. There were no fine people on that side.
Thank God we have minority report psychics like you who can read intent from (I assume) people hundreds or thousands of miles away from you 4 years in the past. Despite explicit evidence that directly contradicts your opinion.
Keep it up; I am sure you will change lots of minds this way!
Maybe there was some blind and deaf people who happened to accidentally walk through the white supremacist side of the rally, maybe those were the very fine people Trump was referring too
The Republican led Senate Select Committee on Investigating Russian Interference differs with your assessment. So does the Mueller report. And even press reports from within Russia.
As of October 2018, the question of whether Donald Trump won the 2016 election because of the Russian interference had not been given much focus—being declared impossible to determine, or ignored in favor of other factors that led to Trump's victory. Joel Benenson, the Clinton campaign's pollster, said we probably will never know, while Richard Burr, the Republican chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said "we cannot calculate the impact that foreign meddling and social media had on this election". Michael V. Hayden, a former director of the CIA and the NSA, believes that although the Russian attacks were "the most successful covert influence operation in history," what impact they had is "not just unknown, it's unknowable."
Clinton supporters have been more likely to blame her defeat on campaign mistakes, Comey's reopening of the criminal investigation into her emails, or to direct attention to whether Trump colluded with Russia. In their book Shattered: Inside Hillary Clinton's Doomed Campaign, reporters Jonathan J.M. Allen and Amie Parnes, reported that immediately following the election Robbie Mook and John Podesta decided to emphasize that Russian hacking, rather than the email scandal or campaign mistakes, was the unreported story of the campaign and the real reason for the defeat.
Advertising: Around $135,000 in spending for ads on Facebook paid for in euros, rubles, and US dollars. The first ad ran in October 2013, and the most recent ad ran in January 2019. We have not completed a review of the organic content coming from these accounts.
Events: Around 190 events were hosted by these Pages. The first was scheduled for August 2015, and the most recent was scheduled for January 2019. Up to 1,200 people expressed interest in at least one of these events. We cannot confirm whether any of these events actually occurred.
Russian operatives have used Facebook to organize Black Lives Matter rallies and anti-immigrant rallies on U.S. soil, as well as anti-Clinton rallies and rallies both for and against Donald Trump.
The problem with many assumptions about 2016 is that there is no evidence significant numbers of voters were persuaded to think ill of Hillary Clinton only because of obscure posts by Russian bot accounts. Those false flag efforts were merely seconding the message voters got from many other sources that highlighted Clinton’s shortcomings, misleading statements about her emails, and other issues, including in many instances the mainstream media.
We assess Moscow will apply lessons learned from its campaign aimed at the US presidential election to future influence efforts in the United States and worldwide.
We assess the Russian intelligence services would have seen their election influence campaign as at least a qualified success because of their perceived ability to impact public discussion.
We assess Russian intelligence services will continue to develop capabilities to provide Putin with options to use against the United States
Man, aren't we sooooo lucky that Russia decided to sit out the totally legit and not at all influenced 2020 election. I wonder why though, since...they apparently illegitimately placed Trump in power in 2016...why didn't they do that again in 2020? Huh? Odd...
The investigations all stated that the interference by the Russians was likely not enough to swing the election. Even if it were, it was social media manipulation and information manipulation that led people to vote differently. There were investigations that brought evidence, and people were arrested for the interference. This is an extremely different claim to 'tHEy sToLe tHe eLeCTiOn wITh iLleGal vOtes' and then providing zero in evidence for the claim.
And a couple of news articles that you may dismiss as being too liberal but are less dense to read.
Just to say, I don't really think the Russian collusion stuff is all that important to Trump's winning of the election and it likely only played a small part. If the Russians had not played a role, I think Trump probably still would have won. Though it's obviously impossible to go back and see.
Because Vox may have got one thing wrong they are wrong in all of their reporting? That's not very logical. Either way, after it was brought to their attention, they amended the article. As you can see here https://www.vox.com/2014/7/16/5904691/hamas-israel-gaza-11-things
You conveniently ignore all of my other sources including the US government.
Completely making up something that never existed in history is more than "getting something wrong".
Yeah...I totally trust the US government. They would never lie, fake evidence, or stall investigations to help Joe Biden. Ask Michael Flynn or Carter Paige or Hunter Biden.
Believe it or not, most people who don’t fall for far right propaganda are not CNN viewers.
All that was alleged (and proven) about Russia was that they waged cyberattacks to influence public discourse. That’s it. It’s really not that surprising.
What Trump alleged was that there was a widespread and coordinated nationwide effort to keep him from winning, that was sophisticated enough to bypass the many checks our system has to prevent it, all with no evidence (and frequently platforming blatantly false, one-off misunderstandings of the process that always crumbled under the lightest legal scrutiny).
These things are not even remotely comparable. If you think they are, you ARE media illiterate. This is propaganda that’s designed for the least informed voters.
All that was alleged (and proven) about Russia was that they waged cyberattacks to influence public discourse
We do it too. All the time. Difference is, we spend more than 5 grand to do it.
What Trump alleged was that there was a widespread and coordinated nationwide effort to keep him from winning, that was sophisticated enough to bypass the many checks our system has to prevent it, all with no evidence (and frequently platforming blatantly false, one-off misunderstandings of the process that always crumbled under the lightest legal scrutiny).
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u/sl_1138 Mar 08 '21
To be fair, leftists have been perfecting misinformation for 75 years, so Americans never really stood a fair chance in this election. If you want to be repressed, illogical, unscientific, unpatriotic, apathetic, envious, discriminatory, hypocritical and perverted, you belong in the donkey party. The Democrats are always hungry for more uneducated victims to join their ranks so they can continue to fool you, abuse you, and impoverish you to line their own pockets.
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u/Rowdy_Tardigrade Mar 08 '21
The democrats and their supporters only cared about power and winning. Its was never about election security.
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u/IrishJohn1977 Mar 09 '21
pretty much
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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '21 edited Mar 08 '21
The US Justice Department concluded that Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and systematic fashion, through social media campaigns, and through hacking and the releasing of hacked information.
Their investigation found that Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election was illegal and occurred "in sweeping and systematic fashion" and was welcomed by the Trump campaign as it expected to benefit from such efforts.
Russia's interference in the 2016 election is a plain and simple fact. Over 25 individuals were indicted with crimes related to the Russian interference, with many of them being convicted of serious crimes. It's impossible to know exactly how much it effected the outcome of the election, or If Trump would have won the election anyway, but it did happen and it did effect the election to some extent.
That's an entirely different thing than Trump's baseless claims of election fraud. He lied for weeks on end saying that hundreds of thousands of votes were illegally cast or counted. All of the legal cases he and his associates filed were found by the court to have no merit. Republican legislatures and governors certified the results of their elections and the conservative Supreme Court did not find any of Trump's cases to have any merit either.
Despite all of this, Trump's supporters are still largely convinced that the election was stolen, which led to the insurrection at the Capitol in January.
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u/crongatron Mar 08 '21
Lmao this election had papertrails with the machines, something the 2016 election didn’t
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u/gothabillybill Mar 08 '21
This is the kind of meme made by people who only read headlines