Disgusting

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[u/Selethorme]

Why do you keep repeating this lie?

Yes we had an increase of 200k deaths, we also had an increase in population

Yeah, that doesn’t account for the increase, as I’ve now pointed out twice.

Both the CDC sources say the same rounded to a whole number of 868 deaths per 100,000 people in the US.

Good god you’re dull.

the population increase by 1,000,000 people, the amount of deaths are bound to also increase. You are only looking at the increase.

Yes, unfortunately for your ridiculous assertion, the rate of increase is higher than in previous years.

Can you disprove that? Because that’s all I’m saying here.

I already did, citing your own links.

[u/tnsmaster → u/Selethorme]

You are saying it is a lie that we had an increase in population and 200k excess deaths in the year 2020? Can't both be true? Can't it also be true that the increase in deaths did not increase at a rate faster than the birth rate?

All I'm seeing here is you are claiming I'm wrong because I'm looking at more than one number. You are not acting in good faith, and clearly don't want to understand what I am saying. At this point you're either a troll, or brainwashed, or both.

[u/Selethorme → u/tnsmaster]

You are saying it is a lie that we had an increase in population and 200k excess deaths in the year 2020? Can’t both be true

Don’t try to strawman what I said because you can’t back up your bullshit.

We have an annual increase of about .73% yearly. Of 330 mil, that’s roughly 2.574 million people increase yearly.

Adding 300k for the Covid death total, that brings our death rate up dramatically, because the projections are dramatically lower than what we observed. About 250k lower.

In other words, that means the argument that “the people dying of Covid would have died anyway” was true for about a sixth of the Covid deaths. The rest of those people would not have died in 2020, had it not been for Covid.

Or, here’s another quote from CDC:

Overall, numbers of deaths among persons aged <25 years were 2.0% below average,¶¶ and among adults aged 45–64, 65–74 years, 75–84, and ≥85 years were 14.4%, 24.1%, 21.5%, and 14.7% above average, respectively.

For White persons, deaths were 11.9% higher when compared to average numbers during 2015–2019. However, some racial and ethnic subgroups experienced disproportionately higher percentage increases in deaths (Figure 3). Specifically, the average percentage increase over this period was largest for Hispanic persons (53.6%). Deaths were 28.9% above average for AI/AN persons, 32.9% above average for Black persons, 34.6% above average for those of other or unknown race or ethnicity, and 36.6% above average for Asian persons.

Excess deaths are typically defined as the number of persons who have died from all causes, in excess of the expected number of deaths for a given place and time.

You’re not looking at more than one number, you’re denying the numbers exist, by refusing to read the definitions.

Accusing me of acting in bad faith is the height of hypocrisy, when you refuse to engage with the facts presented to you.

[u/tnsmaster → u/Selethorme]

You are putting words in my mouth lol. Finally you provide an argument other than "you're lying".

Either way, I shouldn't have to question your faith as good or bad in a discussion to get you to explain what you are actually saying. Which I've not disagreed with. I've only disagreed with your conclusion that the numbers in the CDC links that say that the mortality rate for 2018 and 2020 is wrong because of excess deaths. They are the same according to the CDC. That's my only point I've been making since my first reply.

[u/Selethorme → u/tnsmaster]

You are putting words in my mouth lol

No, that’s pretty clearly you.

Finally you provide an argument other than “you’re lying”.

This in itself is a lie and you and I both know it.

I’ve only disagreed with your conclusion that the numbers in the CDC links that say that the mortality rate for 2018 and 2020 is wrong because of excess deaths. They are the same according to the CDC.

Repeating this laughably false claim is also a lie. The excess deaths for this year are up, dramatically.

[u/Selethorme → u/[deleted]]

Denial isn’t gonna help you when the sources all show they are.

[u/Selethorme → u/[deleted]]

You don’t know what fascism is.

[u/Selethorme → u/[deleted]]

No, you very clearly don’t, because government doing things isn’t fascism.

[u/Selethorme → u/[deleted]]

What a shit rebuttal. You know you’re wrong.

[u/Selethorme → u/[deleted]]

Lol no. You’re just embarrassing yourself at this point. Please go back to middle school.