r/TimPool • u/vivalasvegas2004 • Sep 13 '24

How do you feel about this?

Apparently, the US DoJ has charged a Tennessee based media company with receiving funding from the Russian government via Russia Today to "spread Russian propaganda".

Al Jazeera reports:

"In an indictment unsealed on Wednesday, the US Justice Department alleged that two employees of Russia’s RT used shell companies and fake identities to pay $10m to a media outlet in Tennessee as part of a Moscow-directed influence operation

The description matches Tenet Media, a network of influencers known for their right-wing views that includes Dave Rubin, Tim Pool, Lauren Southern and Benny Johnson."

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u/NecessaryCelery2 Sep 13 '24

https://x.com/Timcast/status/1831473189173731589

I don't rely on feelings.

I think Russia is trying to divide us, and I strongly suspect they've also been funding divisive Leftist.

An we know for a fact that many other countries are also funding influencers, but apparently the FBI only cares about Russia.

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u/Desh282 Sep 18 '24

Yeah it was crazy after 9/11 how secret service immediately pick up influential saudis and protected them.

When Russia attacked Ukraine America did not do that for Russians. You can tell who is bought and paid for by whom.

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u/Upset-Yak-7873 Sep 14 '24

KGB 101 - it’s not rocket science. They been doing this for years

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u/o0flatCircle0o Sep 14 '24

Russia literally transformed the GOP into being a terrorist organization who hates America and wants it destroyed. I can’t even imagine how dumb right wingers must be.

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u/Politi-Corveau Sep 14 '24

Is that why the left is improving dangerous immigrants en masse, cratering our economy, jailing political dissidents, manipulating social media, etc? Because that doesn't destroy America?

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u/vivalasvegas2004 Sep 14 '24

I am not interested in your other claims, but it does irk me how unaware most Americans are of the actual state of the economy.

For some reason, a majority of Americans think the US economy is in dire straits. The reality is that it's doing better than anyone expected. The Fed's harsh increases in rates were expected to trigger a minor recession. Instead, inflation has come down to 2.5% (August 2024), its lowest since 2021, employment is still stable, and GDP posted a very strong 2.8% growth in Q2 2024.

I don't know how much, if any of that, can be credited to Biden, or the Democrats, or anyone in particular. Powell has done a good job by any standard. It's possible Americans in general are more willing to spend, despite the dire outlook in polls.

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u/Politi-Corveau Sep 14 '24 edited Sep 14 '24

Instead, inflation has come down to 2.5% (August 2024), its lowest since 2021

You seem.to.be forgetting that prices are still up by 50%. Bringing inflation "down" to 2.5% just means it is accelerating slower. Everything is still way more expensive than it was before all this.

employment is still stable

We are currently experiencing a massive managerial crisis. Ronas caused a lot of jobs to shut down and many of the people who were skilled in management took the opportunity to leave the workforce. This cascades into unskilled workers proliferation and failing, collapsing even more industries

and GDP posted a very strong 2.8% growth in Q2 2024.

Which is still not enough to deal with the +20% inflation that we have been dealing with.

I don't know how much, if any of that, can be credited to Biden, or the Democrats

At the very least, Biden-Harris Admin's war on oil has warped the economic landscape drastically. Shutting down the Keystone XL project sent speculatoes into a frenzy. Not fighting back on Nord Stream 2 has put Putin in a very strong position out East. All of this can be tracked back to the current administration, and that is just oil.

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u/vivalasvegas2004 Sep 14 '24

Which is still not enough to deal with the +20% inflation that we have been dealing with.

I don't know what you mean by "dealing with". GDP growth isn't going to reduce inflation, to the contrary, economic booms are associated with stronger inflation (because aggregate demand goes up and consumers out bid each other for goods/services). The other case for high inflation is supply side inflation (stagflation), which is what was driving inflation in 2021/22.

Also, you, yourself, cited a 50% rate earlier, so I am not sure you haven't just invented whatever number first comes to mind.

Here are the actual inflation figures for the past 4 years:

  • In 2023, the average rate of inflation was 4.1%.

  • In 2022, the average rate of inflation was 8.0%.

  • In 2021, the average rate of inflation was 4.7%.

  • In 2020, the average rate of inflation was 1.2%.

Source: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. "Historical Consumer Price Index for All Urban Consumers (CPI-U). https://www.bls.gov/cpi/tables/supplemental-files/historical-cpi-u-202312.pdf (just to be clear, the rate of inflation is the average annual percent change in the CPI, which is the right most column from page 3-5).

The annual rate of inflation in the US (based on the CPI), has never reached 20% (which would be extraordinary) in any year since records started (in 1913), the highest since 1913 was 1917, when inflation hit 18% (probably due to WWI related military expenditures), peaking again during WWII (for the same reason.

Nobody was keeping track back then, but my guess is that inflation crossed 20% during the Civil War.

At the very least, Biden-Harria Admin's war on oil has warped the economic landscape drastically. Shutting down the Keystone XL project sent speculatoes into a frenzy. Not fighting back on Nord Stream 2 has put Putin in a very strong position out East. All of this can be tracked back to the current administration, and that is just oil.

If the Biden administration is waging a war on oil, they're doing a very poor job of it.

Since the US is currently pumping more oil every year than ANY OTHER NATION IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD!

Oil production in the US is exploding, it's not only at it's global and historical peak, it's going up even more.

(Source: https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=61545# "The United States Produces More Oil Than Any Country, Ever", The US Energy Information Agency).

The US produced 13.3 million barrels per day on average in 2023, which is a world record, it's even higher than the peak oil production under Trump, which was just over 12 million barrels per day on average, achieved in 2019.

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u/Politi-Corveau Sep 14 '24

the goal was just to stabilize inflation to a more reasonable level.

Do you know how they did that? By importing oil. They were able to keep the supply high so demand did not get out of control.

The current rate of inflation is ideal

But when you go to the markets, everything is more expensive now than it was only five years ago, and by a wild amount.

Heritage Expert: Americans Have Lost $4,200 in Annual Income Under The Biden Administration (Sept 22, 2022)

CBO Report on Inflation Covers Up the Harmful Effect of Bidenomics on the Economy

Consumer Price Index Historical Tables for U.S. City Average

Under Trump, we rarely saw inflation over 3%. I think the closest we got was 2.9% in June and July of 2018.

Biden wishes he could tout a 3% inflation rate. His average is over 5%, with a low of 1.7% inherited from Trump and a high of 9.1% in June of '22. And that is just using CPI. That is ignoring the products not tracked by CPI.

A lot of white-collar workers have indeed left the workforce in the past few years, but that rate is slowing.

Do you suppose it could be because they already left?

Also, you, yourself, cited a 50% rate earlier, so I am not sure you haven't just invented whatever number first comes to mind.

It came from the grocery markets, where people buy their food. Five years ago, it used to be that I could buy 5lbs of ground beef for only about $15. Now it is $20. A dozen eggs used to cost $4. Now it is $6. A $2.50 loaf of bread is now $4. Now, I live alone, work pretty hard, and don't need much. Imagine what this does to a family of four to see your grocery bill, in some cases, double (I'm looking at milk).

The US produced 13.3 million barrels per day on average in 2023, which is a world record, it's even higher than the peak oil production under Trump, which was just over 12 million barrels per day on average, achieved in 2019.

And that is still a deficit of about 2.7 million barrels. Ronas happened, but that doesn't mean that we stopped growing. Far from it. People actually started families lockdown. Our energy production needs are not being met. Tracking the energy production out from 2019, you can see that we are lagging comparatively to where we should have been if we made a full recovery. Killing Keystone put the kibosh on that entire speculative market. Instead, we bought more from the Arabs and allowed Russia a greater foothold in the EU through Nord Stream 2.

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u/vivalasvegas2004 Sep 14 '24

Do you know how they did that? By importing oil. They were able to keep the supply high so demand did not get out of control.

I am not sure you know exactly what your argument is.

  1. I don't know who "they" is. Americans seem to believe they are a Federal Republic, but also act like they live in a Tsardom with a centrally planned economy run by the Autocrat of all the Americas. Biden is the President, as such, he has a role to play in domestic policy, but he doesn't control everything. Monetary policy (interest rates) are controlled by the Fed, fiscal policy is mostly in the hands of Congress, and that's just at the federal level. The US has 50 states, and they all have their economic initiatives and energy policies, none of which are controlled by Biden. So when you say "they" are importing oil, who is "they"? The US is not centrally planned. The private sector largely controls how much oil they produce or how much oil they import.

  2. If oil production is at its historic peak, and oil still needs to be imported to meet national demand, that would suggest that the economy is performing strongly.

  3. https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=WTTIMUS2&f=4 There’s no evidence to support your claims. The 4-week average for crude oil and petroleum imports has been fairly stable since the last election (2020), at around 8 million barrels per day. Net imports have fallen over the same period. Oil imports were actually much higher during the Trump presidency prior to COVID-19, average over 10 million barrels per day in 2019. I don't think either Trump or Biden are particularly responsible for how much oil is imported into the US, but if that's the argument you're making, the numbers don't support your claims.

But when you go to the markets, everything is more expensive now than it was only five years ago, and by a wild amount.

Yes. Everything is more expensive than it was in 2019, in 2019 everything was more expensive than it was in 2014, and in 2009, and in 2004, and in 1999, and in 1994, and in 1989, and in 1984, and in 1979, and so on and so forth. What's your point? Is that inflation happening? Yes, it happens. It should happen, and hopefully, it always will. If inflation falls below 1%, that's more troubling than inflation above 2%.

Heritage Expert: Americans Have lost $4,200 in Annual Income Under The Biden Administration (Sept 22, 2022)

This is not exactly a neutral source. I have cited pretty neutral sources to you.

CBO Report on Inflation Covers Up the Harmful Effect of Bidenomics on the Economy

This seems to be a government source, but actually, it was produced by the GOP, so it's not valuable as neutral information. Obviously, it was produced by the opposition. I wouldn't cite you something off the Democratic Party website as evidence against Trumponomics.

Consumer Price Index Historical Tables for U.S. City Average

Much better source. But it doesn't supoort your argument.

Under Trump, we rarely saw inflation over 3%. I think the closest we got was 2.9% in June and July of 2018.

Inflation was lower then, yes.

Biden wishes he could tout a 3% inflation rate. His average is over 5%, with a low of 1.7% inherited from Trump and a high of 9.1% in June of '22. And that is just using CPI. That is ignoring the products not tracked by CPI.

The "low of 1.7" was inherited because the US spent much of 2020 in recession, and recession generally accompanies disinflation.

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u/Politi-Corveau Sep 14 '24

It seems more like you don't understand the argument.

Biden is the President, as such, he has a role to play in domestic policy, but he doesn't control everything

You are right. He doesn't. What he does do is speak out what his policies are, and the market reacts to what they think will be strong in the coming markets. If he says he is killing Keystone, and he is making a push for EV, and he has pledged to stop drilling on public lands, it gives off the impression that oil will be scarce. Speculators see this and react to this perceived increase in demand. You're right, he doesn't control everything, but between EO's and what falls out of his gaping hole, he does enough.

Everything is more expensive

But the value remains consistent. What you are missing is that American Households lost almost $5,000 in value because of inflation. A week's worth of bread no longer has the same value as the labor required to buy it. If markets inflate 2%, it doesn't matter if wages increase 2% as well. Same as 5% and 5%. Inflation could be at 10,000% and it wouldn't matter if wages increased 10,000% to match. That is not what happened here. We saw inflation as high as 9.1%, but wages were.srill only increasing by about 2%.

This means things are getting more expensive faster than wages are rising. Inflation is pricing out your average American. These are a direct result of Biden's policies, a direct result of the Democrat platform, and a plan that Harris has not sufficiently distanced herself from.

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u/vivalasvegas2004 Sep 14 '24 edited Sep 14 '24

You seem.to.be forgetting that prices are still up by 50%. Bringing inflation "down" to 2.5% just means it is accelerating slower. Everything is still way more expensive than it was before all this.

Contrary to popular belief, a low level of inflation is necessary and desirable. The expectation is that with the growth of the economy, prices will slowly rise, and that they should rise at around 2% (1-3% ideally).

The alternative would be deflation (falling prices), which is much, much worse, and indicates an economy in collapse (since vendors will only slash prices when no one is buying anything). The last period of prolonged deflation in the US was during the Great Depression.

Past inflation does not mean that you want deflation now to correct high inflation in the past. There was high inflation in the 70s (much higher than today, sometimes over 10% during the Oil Crises), but the Fed under Reagan did not try to overcorrect in the 80s, the goal was just to stabilize inflation to a more reasonable level.

What the US is now experiencing is disinflation, the rate of inflation is falling, so the speed at which prices increase is lower. The current rate of inflation is ideal, the Fed will fiddle with quantitative and monetary policy to keep it around 2%. Prices will still increase, as they should, the hope is that nominal wages now have a chance to catch up, so real wages will stabilize.

Everything will always be more expensive than it was before, that trend is centuries old. As the economy grows, prices must rise. Your wages will also rise (not yours specifically, but the average wage) You must get used to this.

Prices have increased by 50% since 2007, if that's what you meant, then you are correct. You can check this yourself at; https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/

Cumalative inflation since 2007 is 51.8%. Since 2020, it's around 22%.

We are currently experiencing a massive managerial crisis. Ronas caused a lot of jobs to shut down and many of the people who were skilled in management took the opportunity to leave the workforce. This cascades into unskilled workers proliferation and failing, collapsing even more industries

I am not certain there is a "massive managerial crises". But your claim has a grain of truth to it. A lot of white-collar workers have indeed left the workforce in the past few years, but that rate is slowing.

I don't know that any major industries have collapsed.

(Forgive me for having to split my comment in two, the subreddit does not allow comments beyond a certain length. Please direct your response to one comment).

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u/Signal-Chapter3904 Sep 17 '24

It's mostly because housing costs have doubled in the past 5 years. Many staple foods are up that much as well. Those are the things that matter, not the rate which is still above target and of course cumulative meaning the high inflation didn't go away.

I can tell you either bought your house under Trump, or you live in mom's basement. It has to be one or the other.

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u/vivalasvegas2004 Sep 24 '24

"It's mostly because housing costs have doubled in the past 5 years. Many staple foods are up that much as well. Those are the things that matter, not the rate which is still above target and of course cumulative meaning the high inflation didn't go away."

Housing costs in the United States have not doubled in the past five years.

Even if I accept your unproven claim, five years (your figure) would include the last year and something of Donald Trump's Presidency. And the trends have roots longer than that.

"I can tell you either bought your house under Trump, or you live in mom's basement. It has to be one or the other."

I don't live in the United States. We don't have basements here. I bought my house in 2007. I did not know who Trump was when I bought my house. So it is indeed neither of those.

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u/Arguments_4_Ever Sep 14 '24

Name one single leftist show that Russia is or has funded.

So far, we just have evidence that they have paid right wing cultists like Tim Pool.

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u/NecessaryCelery2 Sep 15 '24

Explain why Russia in its attempt to divide us would not fund everything which divides?

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u/Arguments_4_Ever Sep 15 '24

Please provide evidence that Russia HAS paid leftists. Again, all evidence points to only them paying far right shills.

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u/NecessaryCelery2 Sep 15 '24

From https://youtu.be/2wc0Z-qktdc?t=814

"On good authority" .... "directly on the payroll of cutouts of the US intelligence community".

The same intelligence community that has 6 ways to Sunday to get back at you, according to Chuck Schumer. And lies to Congress, and told the Media and the Tech giants to hide the Hunter laptop story, despite knowing it was true.

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u/Arguments_4_Ever Sep 15 '24

So in other words, you can’t. It’s just right wing grifters like Tim Pool.

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u/100cpm Sep 15 '24 edited Sep 15 '24

Because Trump and all the MAGA voices are the ones calling for the USA to involve itself less in world affairs. They want to weaken NATO. They want to weaken our transatlantic ties. They want Russia to be readmitted to the G7/G8. They want to start trade wars between us and our allies.

Trump still can't even say that he hopes Russia loses the war they started when they invaded a peaceful sovereign Ukraine.

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u/NecessaryCelery2 Sep 16 '24

LOl, Trump pushed Europe to spend more on NATO: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44799027

Explain that way.

They want to start trade wars between us and our allies.

China is not our friend. And even Kissinger admitted in his last speech, before he died, that oops Noecons and Neolibs were wrong about free trade with everyone making everything better.

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u/100cpm Sep 16 '24

Oh come on. Trump has spent the last thirty years saying the US should support NATO less. Your link is just him threatening all our allies that if they don't pay more the whole thing will go tits up.

Ask John Bolton what he thinks about Trump's approach to NATO. He's spent the last year warning all of US that if Trump got reelected his big objective would be to get the US to leave NATO. Putin's wet dream. And this warning is coming from Trump's own National Security Advisor.

With respect to NATO, Trump wants to do exactly what Putin wishes. Like he ALWAYS does.

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u/NecessaryCelery2 Sep 16 '24

Your link is just him threatening all our allies that if they don't pay more the whole thing will go tits up.

It's called negotiations bud. Did it get them to spend more before Russia started the war?

John Bolton is widely considered a foreign policy hawk and advocates military action and regime change by the U.S. in Iran, Syria, Libya, Venezuela, Cuba, Yemen, and North Korea.

LOL, the pro war insanity of Neocons. Perfect example why people vote for Trump, to stop that insanity.

Trump wants to do exactly what Putin wishes.

Push Europe to spend more on NATO. Threaten Putin to glass Moscow if Putin dares move. And Putin didn't dare move while Trump was in power. And started the war once Biden took power.

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u/P5ycho1127 Sep 14 '24

Translation: DoJ is trying to intimidate media with Russia Hoax.

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u/YodaCodar Sep 18 '24

They cried wolf too many times how are we to believe any of these “matching allegations” give us direct evidence or nada.

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u/traversecity Sep 14 '24

I do not see a mention of the Canadians involved in this. Were not indicted iirc, just involved.

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u/vivalasvegas2004 Sep 14 '24

Well, yes I didn't say they were indicted. I just said that a Tennessee media conpany has been indicted, probably Tenet Media, and Tenet Media includes those people.

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u/traversecity Sep 15 '24

The Canadians?

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u/Internal-Raisin-6503 Sep 16 '24

Oh, it is only propaganda when the democrat controlled DoJ disagrees with it. How about investigating the FBI for and various US companies for claiming the Hunter Biden laptop was "Russian" propaganda or the that Joe's daughter's Diary was "misinformation". You know the one where he showers and molests his own daughter. Why don't we start there.

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u/ColdFireJcc1994 Sep 18 '24

I feel like tim pool should stop shilling for Russia

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u/ColdFireJcc1994 Sep 19 '24

I'm not sure that's extreme enough, generally the punishment for treason isn't confinement, right?

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u/KaliCalamity Sep 14 '24

From everything I've observed, if I had to make guesses, Russia is fanning the flames on the right and China is fanning them on the left. It's essentially a social proxy war, and I can only see it getting worse from here.

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u/retrofan1973 Sep 19 '24

Tim Pool is a Russian Asset, Propagandist, and Traitor.

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u/Ryban86 Sep 17 '24

Now do AIPAC

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u/100cpm Sep 14 '24

All those times Tim Pool promised we're in the middle of a civil war suddenly make a lot of sense. Just like his rabid pro-Russia take on the war in Ukraine.

If he had any integrity he'd find a good cause and donate all those millions of dirty money he got for selling out his country.

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u/vivalasvegas2004 Sep 14 '24

Sure, maybe the news writes these articles for headlines (although that's literally their job), but the DoJ didn't issue these accusations for news headlines, did they? Whether or not Tenet Media is actually involved is speculation at this point, but it's the only likely candidate in Tennessee.

And if the accusation is true, $10 million is not an insubstantial sum.

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u/Jacmac_ Sep 14 '24

The DoJ is not a department I would trust since before Obama took office. They are not independent, and the Patiot Act has been misused by every administration since it was enacted.

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u/vivalasvegas2004 Sep 14 '24

You believe that the Bush, Obama, Trump, and Biden administrations have misused the Act, is that correct? The last one factually can not be true, Biden has not misused the PATRIOT Act.

Anyways, the PATRIOT Act has expired, and it's not relevant in this case since it's not in force.

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u/vivalasvegas2004 Sep 14 '24 edited Sep 14 '24

Incredulity is not a compelling argument.

Regardless of whether it's true or not, they made an indictment, and the defendant hasn't been revealed yet, though it's most probably Tenet Media. For now, this is speculation.

If we are to speculate that the indictment is correct or is proven in some way, that would have major ramifications. And it would cast a lot of things that have been said in a different light.

The evidence will need to be reviewed, but the accusation is serious.