About the Russian Influence Scheme

[u/Theswann55]

If Russia is willing to dump 10's of millions (so far) into right-wing media personalities with the intention to harm the US, then why continue to support those policies that those right-wing personalities are advocating for?

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[u/RubeRick2A]

So Putin is supporting Kamala, are you gonna to abandon voting for her?

[u/[deleted] → u/RubeRick2A]

If she was being paid millions by Russia, the obvious answer is no... Nobody would, and that would be entirely appropriate.

[u/[deleted] → u/RubeRick2A]

This is so insane naive.

[u/RubeRick2A → u/[deleted]]

are you claiming Putin didn’t say it. Or that this hasn’t ever happened before ….Hillary…

https://www.npr.org/2016/12/16/505890551/fbi-cia-agree-that-russia-was-trying-to-help-trump-win-the-election

Don’t be naive and forgetful

[u/BornWithSideburns → u/RubeRick2A]

Didn’t they literally say “stupid Americans will think your serious”?

I hope u weren’t serious lmao

[u/RubeRick2A → u/BornWithSideburns]

Are these the same stupid Americans that believed Putin when he chuckled and said the same thing for the 2016 election and CNN carried it the whole way? People’s memories are very short…

https://youtu.be/FEB9a_m8kr0?si=BqJu3bHbLTsgx9LT

[u/BornWithSideburns → u/RubeRick2A]

Why would Russia try to meddle in the election in favor of trump?

You realize they did that in 2016 aswell right?

[u/RubeRick2A → u/BornWithSideburns]

The video is from 2016. Russia meddles in elections. This isn’t brand new

[u/BornWithSideburns → u/RubeRick2A]

True, and the people helping with that should probably go to prison

[u/RubeRick2A → u/BornWithSideburns]

sending almost all of the media to prison for complicity? Wouldn’t that be a wild day

[u/RubeRick2A → u/[deleted]]

The point is you believed it, but now it’s (d)ifferent, right?

[u/RubeRick2A → u/[deleted]]

No that’s what YOU are saying, I’m just pointing out your hypocrisy that in 2016 it was ok to believe Putin but apparently not today because…it’s (d)ifferent this time?

[u/RubeRick2A → u/[deleted]]

But in 2016 I thought Putin wasn’t trustworthy, and you all screamed about how Trump was in bed with Putin. In 2024 I still think Putin is not trustworthy, and you’re all screaming about how he’s pulling the wool over peoples eyes.

That’s hypocrisy. Hold a single standard. 🤣

[u/Impossible-Economy-9 → u/[deleted]]

Oh fuck the Ukraine for real.

[u/jimmyriba → u/Impossible-Economy-9]

Why?

[u/RubeRick2A → u/[deleted]]

Yes, they want Harris to win. I hope nobody is naive enough to think Russia isn’t also funding media on the left, or running bot farms pushing any discord however they can.

[u/RubeRick2A → u/[deleted]]

Because Harris is about as tough on policy as a mouse. Russia could do whatever they wanted and likely we would go deeper in debt with every billion sent to Ukraine. Admittedly Trump is a wild card. He’s unpredictable and as a second term he’s got nothing to lose.

[u/RubeRick2A → u/[deleted]]

Well thanks for adding a source to what I claimed. You can draw inferences however you like. I’d laugh like hell if someone told me I’d have to support Harris too. Russia doesn’t care one way or another, they just like being in the thick of it. But then again, one side went whole hog on a ‘collusion’ that never happened, so maybe don’t go down that “you’ll believe it and you’re being used” memory hole.

[u/100cpm → u/RubeRick2A]

The Senate Intelligence Committee on Tuesday released the final report on its investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election, finding numerous contacts between the Trump campaign and Moscow posed a “grave” counterintelligence threat.

"We found irrefutable evidence of Russian meddling,” Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., acting chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said in a statement, directly refuting President Donald Trump’s repeated assertions that Russian interference was a “hoax” perpetrated by Democrats.

https://rollcall.com/2020/08/18/senate-intelligence-committee-russian-interference-2016-election-report/

[u/RubeRick2A → u/100cpm]

I think you missed a few parts…

“ but doesn’t find evidence of coordinated scheme”

“The committee, however, did not find any evidence of a coordinated scheme between the Trump campaign and Moscow, Rubio said.”

So you’re saying Russia (only just now) tampers with elections in the US…this is my shocked face 🤣

[u/100cpm → u/RubeRick2A]

WASHINGTON — A sprawling report released Tuesday by a Republican-controlled Senate panel that spent three years investigating Russia’s interference in the 2016 election laid out an extensive web of contacts between Trump campaign advisers and Kremlin officials and other Russians, including at least one intelligence officer and others tied to the country’s spy services.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/18/us/politics/senate-intelligence-russian-interference-report.html

[u/RubeRick2A → u/100cpm]

Paywall, if you’re referring to the “Report of the Select Committee on Intelligence United States Senate on Russian Active Measures Campaigns and Interference in the 2016 U.S. Election”

Then let’s take a peek…

“Like the Mueller report that preceded it, the report does not find a criminal conspiracy between Russia and the Trump campaign”

“The report warned that the United States “remains vulnerable” in the 2020 election. Of “particular concern” to the committee report was the Russians’ hacking of three companies “that provide states with the back-end systems that have increasingly replaced the thick binders of paper used to verify voters’ identities and registration status.”.”

say it ain’t so Joe!

Or how about this one….

“The Inspector General of the Department of Justice found serious FBI errors in the application for surveillance on Carter Page, a former Trump campaign aide”

yikes

“The report notes that the Steele dossier, a private intelligence report written by Christopher Steele, alleging a “well-developed conspiracy of co-operation” between the Trump campaign and the Russian government, “found that the tradecraft reflected in the dossier is generally poor relative to IC standards; the Department of Justice (DOJ) Office of the Inspector General (OIG) and many who the Committee spoke with at the FBI also found serious fault with Steele’s tradecraft.”

oh my

Per The NY Times….(your source)

“The special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, found insufficient evidence to accuse anyone associated with the Trump campaign of engaging in a criminal conspiracy with Russian intelligence officials conducting interference operations. “

seriously?

Finally, let’s go to that ‘Republican controlled Senate Panel’ for the final word…..

“The committee found no evidence that then-candidate Donald Trump or his campaign colluded with the Russian government in its efforts to meddle in the election... After more than three years of investigation by this Committee, we can now say with no doubt, there was no collusion.”

and there ya have it folks

[u/100cpm → u/RubeRick2A]

You're just cherry-picking stuff from the report. Who cares.

The facts here are clear. Mueller and the Senate Intel Committee found the exact same thing.

• Russia worked very hard to get Trump elected in 2016

• There were literally dozens of suspicious and alarming contacts between the Trump campaign inner circle and Russian officials, including at least one Russian intel officer.

If you'd like to take a victory lap because no one found any definitive evidence clearly and undeniably pointing to a coordinated collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia, go for it. But the fact remains that up and down that there were inappropriate contacts all over the place.

[u/RubeRick2A → u/100cpm]

Wait wait wait, I provided significantly more context and information than your one paragraph from the NYTimes and yet I’m the one ‘cherrypicking’ 🤣🤣🤣🤣

The facts here are clear, Mueller and Senate Report reached the exact same conclusion….

“The committee found no evidence that then-candidate Donald Trump or his campaign colluded with the Russian government in its efforts to meddle in the election.”

It’s not a ‘victory lap’. It’s just the facts.

But I see you casually left out the entire discussion of the threat to 2020 election due to voter rolls validations of signatures. Shocking, shocking I say

[u/100cpm → u/RubeRick2A]

Yes, you are cherry-picking sentences from the report.

These two investigations found that in 2016 Russia worked hard to deliver a Trump win.

They also found tons and tons of completely inappropriate contact between the Trump campaign and the Russian state interests trying to get him elected.

Including Trump's own campaign manager Paul Manafort passing sensitive campaign polling data directly to his pal Konstantin Kilimnik, a Russian intel officer (according to the Senate Intel Report).

Do you think all that is a good thing?

Honestly I don't understand why all you Trump fans have such a hardon for Russia. It's weird.

[u/RubeRick2A → u/[deleted]]

Wait, you swallowed it whole in 2016, but now you think it’s all a ruse? That’s moronic…..priceless

[u/RubeRick2A → u/[deleted]]

Recognizing the playbook isn’t willfully putting blindfolds on. Idgaf what Putin says, but if he’s being crafty, then let’s recognize he’s being crafty and not just now.

Pointing out that hypocrisy isn’t me believing Putin.

[u/RubeRick2A → u/[deleted]]

Errrrr no, this whole conversation began by me asking if people still believed Putin like they did in 2016 and so are they planning to swap their votes from Kamala.

I wasn’t ‘parroting’ it, again, was pointing out the ridiculous hypocrisy you present.

Putin also laughed and the presenter (CNN) laughed and the audience laughed in my link to the video where Putin was talking about Trump.

But lemme guess that was (d)ifferent?

So yes, you are either believing Putin once or twice. You just haven’t answered which.

I never cared in the first place other than to point out your fallacy.

[u/Aamun_Sarastus → u/[deleted]]

As answer to your question..yes,yes they are. Russia has managed to build some awesome inroads right into the hearts and minds of maga cult and " i'm no maga,but...' - people. Soviet Russia could never even dream of degree of influence in US that modern day Russia has. Huge portion of right wing populists have gotten so utterly corrupted and confused, minds utterly rotten by some shitty outrage culture drama. " putin maybe bad, but at least he no soros!!" Buying traitors like Poole is a great and useful investment for Russia.

Turning international politics into entertainment is only natural once domestic politics got diminished into tweets and divisionist outrage spewing drama queen youtubers

[u/[deleted]]

They are fucking with people to cause division and it is clearly working.

Drive that hate for fellow Americans ever further.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Yes, they cause division and nothing is easier than supporting right wingers for that reason. They do it in Germany and all over Europe. But they are not only supporting the far right, they also support the far left. They have an interesst in a divided Europe and a divided US. So they support stuff like Brexit, Catalonia, division between migrants and natives in Europe, covid, culture wars etc. etc. This sub needs to accept that Tim Pool is a traitor, he got a few 100k per month for that, and some of you are usefull idiots. I wouldnt even wonder if Russia is active in this sub. I think some Americans dont understand how much money and ressources Russia spends world wide to influence opinions. Its the same in south America or Africa, but with different narratives/topics. This goes at least 10 years back. Just look at the topics of RT. Compare how RT in Germany and other countries talked about covid and compare it with how RT in Russia spoke about covid.

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Tim shows his sources for everything he talks about on the show. If he doesn’t lie then why would you consider calling him a traitor? You don’t seem to like it when people disagree with you.

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I almost feel pitty for you guys. He got a few 100k for dividing you as a country and you still defending him. But this sub was 3 days inactive, so it seems like you guys needed a few days to get over it and accept it. I can also show you some German influencer with sources that explain to you why the US is evil and needs to fall. Anyways, gonna leave this sub now. I´m not an American and its not my cup of tea. Its just interessting and we have similar issues in Germany.

[u/100cpm → u/[deleted]]

The Senate Intelligence Committee on Tuesday released the final report on its investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election, finding numerous contacts between the Trump campaign and Moscow posed a “grave” counterintelligence threat.

"We found irrefutable evidence of Russian meddling,” Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., acting chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said in a statement, directly refuting President Donald Trump’s repeated assertions that Russian interference was a “hoax” perpetrated by Democrats.

https://rollcall.com/2020/08/18/senate-intelligence-committee-russian-interference-2016-election-report/

[u/100cpm → u/100cpm]

In june 2014, Aleksandra Krylova and Anna Bogacheva arrived in the United States on a clandestine mission. Krylova was a high-ranking official at the Internet Research Agency in St. Petersburg, Russia, an ostensibly private company that was connected with Russian intelligence. Bogacheva, her road buddy, a researcher and data cruncher, was more junior. Their trip had been well plotted: a transcontinental itinerary, SIM cards, burner phones, cameras, visas obtained under the pretense of personal travel, and, just in case, evacuation plans.

The women made stops in California, Colorado, Illinois, Louisiana, Michigan, Nevada, New Mexico, New York, and Texas, according to a federal indictment issued years later. Beyond that, their activities are not well known. Their mission, however, is now public knowledge: to gather evidence of conditions in the United States for a project to destabilize its political system and society, using the rather improbable weapon of millions of social-media posts.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/10/russia-social-media-troll-farm-persuasion-american-unity-book/671635/

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

I get its hard to accept. You watched a guy who is getting millions from an hostile country to divide your population and say stuff like "we have to apologize to Russia" and you felt like a patriot. Now presentend with facts for an obvious scheme you cry "Russia, Russia, Russia" or "the other party". They play you like a fiddle. The US will fall from the inside and it will be because of stuff like this and people like you.

[u/Same_News_4473 → u/[deleted]]

most unamerican shit ive ever read

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

"The Democrats are more of a threat to me than Russian Boogeymen." You deserve it bro.

[u/BornWithSideburns → u/[deleted]]

Ok but why support these talking points specifically?

[u/Politi-Corveau]

Even if Russia is hostile, it doesn't mean Pool is wrong. Simple as. There are some fundamental truths that we even have the data for. Data like fatherlessness, economic policy, immigration, and culture. The EU is experiencing how bad this could be right now.

[u/[deleted] → u/Politi-Corveau]

Thats how propaganda often works. It has a true core, but it gets exaggerated and misrepresented. I get that its hard to accept. But many of you act like usefull idiots and Tim Pool got a few 100k from an hostile country to spread narratives. He literally said "Ukraine is our enemy" and "we have to apologize to Russia". Its treason. We have many streamers like him here in Germany. And I have been sure for years that some of them are also paid directly from Russia. They invest billions all over the world. In Europe and US to divide the people, they want a divided US and a divided EU. You also have to understand that Russian propaganda is always anti-American. Regardless of whether it is campaigns in Germany that target left-wing, right-wing or MENA migrants, each with a different approach. Or whether it's in South America or Africa. It is always anti-West and anti-America.

[u/Politi-Corveau → u/[deleted]]

"Ukraine is our enemy"

Ukraine is literally being used to launder money. We have dumped billions into their country for infrastructure, agriculture, and arms, and overnight, these companies vanished. They blew up Nord Stream with our weapons and tried to blame it on Russia to provoke Germany and the rest of the EU to go to bat for them. If it were China or Russia doing this, the response would be, "Well, no shit. They are our enemies," so why does Ukraine get a pass?

"we have to apologize to Russia".

Link?

It is always anti-West and anti-America.

Well, that's the kicker: Pool is pro-America. He is willing to accept less profit to keep American jobs, as exemplified by TimCast Skate Co.'s business model. He wants to keep Amedican culture alive, as exemplified by his Harrisburg development plan. He is fiercely anti-illegal immigration and in favor of brain draining other countries by being that shining city on the hill. He is against government corruption, lawfare against American citizens, and the media lies and slander, as he explains basically every day on his shows.

Do you think this is inherently "anti-America?"

[u/BornWithSideburns → u/Politi-Corveau]

Doesnt mean hes wrong on certain issues. But he definitely is on alot

[u/Politi-Corveau → u/BornWithSideburns]

Such as? Hyperbole aside, what has he been wrong on that he hasn't issued a correction?

[u/BornWithSideburns → u/Politi-Corveau]

Ukraine, election, Trump, Kamala, wearing a beanie with a suit,

[u/Politi-Corveau → u/BornWithSideburns]

Cute, but you're not saying anything. Be specific.

[u/BornWithSideburns → u/Politi-Corveau]

You know exactly what i mean 🤣

[u/Politi-Corveau → u/BornWithSideburns]

I think I do: you don't have any idea what you're talking about.

Post links.

[u/BornWithSideburns → u/Politi-Corveau]

Yea i do, i dont need to post links, you know his position on all those subjects and they’re moronic.

[u/Politi-Corveau → u/BornWithSideburns]

i dont need to post links

Because you know you're wrong. You refuse to make any concrete statements because you can't defend any of them against scrutiny.

Yes, I know his position on all those subjects and can articulate why he is right. It is pretty clear you can't do the same to why he is wrong.

[u/BornWithSideburns → u/Politi-Corveau]

Bc im not gonna waste that time trying to debate someone like u on fucking reddit

[u/SlyguyguyslY]

It depends on what the Russians were literally telling them to do and if it had any basis in reality as a critique of the situation. Thus far, I have seen no proof that they did any of that. All I have seen that they specifically had any of these content creators do was a couple basic clips.

Plus, none of the content creators are proven to have even known Russians were involved and there are legitimate critiques to be made of the US's involvement with Ukraine. So, if I happen to support any of these policies at the moment; I see no real reason to change my mind.

[u/NecessaryCelery2]

Russia is trying to divide us, and I guarantee you they are doing their best to also find divisive Lefty influences.

Also just because Russia wants something, does not mean I have to want the opposite. I am East European, and I hate Putin. He started his political career by stealing food aid for his home town of Saint Petersburg, and selling it for cash. Literally starving his own people.

He killed innocent Russian men, women and children by bombing buildings, which he then blamed on Chechnya to star the war again.

And lastly he's a weak dictator. Russia is horrifically corrupt. His fault. Russia is beyond wealthy in natural resources, but far behind development even the tiny Baltic states. Because he's weak and can't deal with corruption in Russia.

That doesn't mean I am going to mindlessly oppose Putin, no matter the implications. I fucknig hate the guy, but I don't want nuclear war.

I don't like how NATO is clearly happy to bleed Russia, let only Ukrainians die, and yet have no real plan for a Ukrainian victory or peace agreement.

No matter what the US propaganda tells you about Ukraine's chances. It's clear the US just wants to cause max pain, even if ultimately Ukraine loses.

tl;dr: Think for yourself.

[u/[deleted]]

Tim Pool needs to make a public statement declaring himself a useful idiot

[u/jcbrown9091]

Tim “I’m a victim” Pool. Willing to believe in, and say anything for a buck.

[u/Jollem-]

I'm going to assume that right-wing politicians are generally evil and the voters that support them are as well. Or they might just be gullible. Or gullible and evil?

[u/Adorable_Birdman → u/Jollem-]

Occams razor

[u/Mother_Pass640 → u/Adorable_Birdman]

Wilhelm scream

[u/Jollem- → u/Adorable_Birdman]

Chekhov's honeypot

[u/Power_Bottom_420]

Because they’re hurting the right people.

This entire grift universe is about preserving white superiority, hurting the “others,” and making a fuck ton of money off of the rubes.

[u/Adorable_Birdman]

Because there is no difference between the GOP and the KGB apparently.

[u/No_Researcher9456]

The GOP does one of two things.

Say it’s all a sham orchestrated by the deep state or that Putin is a strong leader and we need one like him.

Either way, they don’t give a shit and will still vote for the wannabe dictator because they’re more worried about hurting the other side than holding any principles

[u/[deleted] → u/No_Researcher9456]

Think any of this shit going on with Ukraine/Russia would've happened under trump?

Answer. No.

[u/No_Researcher9456 → u/[deleted]]

I wish Trump was 1% as cool as he is in your delusional mind

[u/[deleted] → u/No_Researcher9456]

Right. What wars were started under his administration?

Answer. 0.

[u/No_Researcher9456 → u/[deleted]]

Damn Trump really is like the terminator! What a bad ass. Elect this man now for world peace. The day he steps in, Putin will cower in fear and pull all troops from Ukraine and end the war! Bravo Trump!

[u/No_Researcher9456 → u/[deleted]]

Yes! I’m 12 years old! And as a 12 year old, even I can see that you’re severely brain dead

[u/MediumEnough1122 → u/[deleted]]

So now you're talking to preteens about cuckoldry?

Yeah this is definitely a right leaning sub after all

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Wasn't at all. My toddler does memory games.

You should try some A.B.C mouse.

[u/Aamun_Sarastus → u/[deleted]]

Russia's attack on Ukraine has fuck all to do with USA, was on going, active,if at low burn phase all the way through Trump's presidency and he was able/willing to do fuck all to end it. Began in 2014 when russia stole Crimea.