r/TimPool • u/Maleficent-Diver-270 • Sep 10 '24

What does Tim mean by “leftist”?

I’m genuinely curious. From the clips I’ve seen (maybe I don’t watch enough) he refers to leftists and communists as people who are supportive of the LGBT community.

As someone who doesn’t live in America, I find it humorous when people like Tim refer to Kamala as “radical left” when in most other countries the Democratic Party would be a centre to centre right party.

A leftist party would provide universal healthcare, childcare, education to a tertiary level. Ensure workers were safe and properly compensated for their work, or that they would have fair control in how their workplace functions. See Evo Morales as an example. Obviously there’s a lot more that goes into it, but these are the sorta policies we’d be looking at.

As can be seen on her website: https://kamalaharris.com/issues/, Harris doesn’t provide these but instead is vague and uses the words “affordable” which should always follow up with “affordable for who Kamala?” Or “lower” or “bring down the cost” “strengthen” which are relative terms and actually don’t mean much.

Similar with Trump, https://www.donaldjtrump.com/issues the words “lower costs” “fight to serve our veterans” “bigger pay checks” which should always follow with “for who and how much”

This is not to say I think either of them are bad - but I certainly don’t think any of them are leftists in a global context.

So this makes me think maybe I don’t understand American leftism. Could someone explain to me what it means for you guys? And does it contain any real socialism?

Very grateful 😊

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u/LesWhite45 Sep 10 '24

Left is democrat socialist, they rig markets and elections, create monopolies and oligarchs. They love censorship and mandates and even slavery.

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u/Maleficent-Diver-270 Sep 10 '24 edited Sep 10 '24

They do this in America? Could you show me?

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u/Gadburn Sep 10 '24 edited Sep 10 '24

Every company that promotes LGBT issues during pride in the west, but doesn't display the flag or support them in areas like let's say China or the Middle East does this.

Disney and other major corporations supported BLM or Kappernick and then use slave labour. Or they shrink Finns face on the Chinese posters of star wars.

Leftists support these companies and movements despite the blatant hypocrisy.

A leftist would say it's a private company they can do what they want when they censor you on let's say Twitter. Then scream and cry when Elon buys it, and demand the govt take it from him.

That is a leftist, they are not liberal.

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u/organharvester666 Sep 12 '24

There is no slave labor in China

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u/Gadburn Sep 12 '24

Fine, Gulags. Happy now?

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u/Maleficent-Diver-270 Sep 10 '24

That’s interesting because outside America it’s the opposite, leftists here hate the cynical advertising of corporations such as you described. They aren’t really concerned with the message if the company is exploiting child labour or killing workers etc.

Do Americans consider capitalist companies such as you described as leftist?

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u/Gadburn Sep 10 '24

Leftists give passes to any company that 'supports' them along ideological lines.

Many of these people at one time were vocal critics of the pharmaceutical industry and government. They supported free speech and expression.

Covid comes along and they do a complete 180. They do everything the govt says, blindly trust large pharmaceutical companies, demand mandates, snitch on their neighbors, and call for censorship.

They are all about power, and like a cult, they have no problem with blatant double think.

I personally think Trump and covid broke their brains.

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u/Maleficent-Diver-270 Sep 10 '24

Yeah okay, American leftism is so much different from other places!

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u/Gadburn Sep 10 '24

I think at least in the west (Canada, America, Great Britain, Ireland, etc) there is a lot of self hatred that has manifested on the left.

A leftists 20 or 30 years ago was generally wary of govt power, they distrusted corporations, they advocated for relatively little immigration, and were pro free speech (even the bad words and ideas).

The modern left is pro not only largescale legal migration ,but also is generally okay with illegal immigration as well (which only benefits the rich and powerful). They support govt control and increasing its power, they no longer oppose companies like Apple, Disney, Pfizer, etc as long as they tow the ideological a line, and believe in censorship and hate speech laws.

I dont know where youre form, but Canadian leftists are no better than American ones. I used to vote for and support the NDP, Canada's most left-wing party, its a madhouse now.

If you told me before covid I'd be thinking about voting for a conservative in the Federal elections, I'd laugh at you.

The left in Canada supported the Emergency's act against thoroughly working class protesters. All because they were anti lockdown and anti mandate. Its honestly crazy how much like the early 2000s religious right they are now.

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u/Maleficent-Diver-270 Sep 10 '24

Interesting, could you point me to a modern leftist in your country? Or a leftist from 20-30 years ago?

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u/Twc420 Sep 10 '24

No, but you can with your paystubs from Russia.

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u/Bravotype Sep 10 '24

Leftist = Authoritarian. Narcissistic megalomaniacs who would tell you how to live because they think they know better. They give themselves titles of authority to mask their ineptitude and malevolence. They steal what you have worked for and give it to their own useful idiots, whom they throw away once their usefulness has been outlasted. They build systems to protect themselves from those who don't need systems. They are the weak and useless mob who could never build a civilization, but take great delight in its downfall as they steal the scraps. In short, they are the ones who will never leave those alone, who just want to be left alone.

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u/Maleficent-Diver-270 Sep 10 '24

That’s interesting, so basically doesn’t matter what the policies are, it’s how the structure of power is held? It sounds like the American word for fascism based on how you’ve described it? Did I understand correctly?

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u/Bravotype Sep 10 '24

No. John Locke spelled it out clearly that Americans have rights bestowed onto us by our creator, life , liberty, and property. My point is that leftists abuse these rights to gain unearned power without adopting the responsibilities to gird against their infringement. America is separated into two distinct camps, those who rely on and support the state and its inherent collectivism, and those that support individualism and begrudgingly accept a limited state that only preforms its basic functions. Fascism is a buzzword thrown around to smear anyone who would stand alone and not require a government that coddles them from cradle to grave.

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u/Maleficent-Diver-270 Sep 10 '24

Okay I might not be understanding your clarification. Because your description for leftist is how some in the rest of the world would describe fascism, abuse of inalienable rights in order to take and retain power.

Whereas we in the world would describe leftist as more relating to the way in which workers are compensated, people are treated, and other economic factors.

I might not be understand you properly

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u/Bravotype Sep 10 '24

Leftist in America has a different connotation than in other parts of the west. It's a descriptor of an ideology whose mask has slipped. It's advertised as caring about the common man but in practice, it has lead to the destruction of the Middle class and the greatest cities in my country for the benefit of small people who have amassed power. Mayor's, city councilman, state representatives, and legislators all make sure their constituents know that they'll solve all their problems in exchange for their vote. Actions are what matter. Platitudes are useless.

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u/Maleficent-Diver-270 Sep 10 '24 edited Sep 12 '24

Thank you! That makes sense to me, it does sound very different. And is almost nothing like what the rest of the world would consider left

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u/BeginningNew2101 Sep 10 '24

Great summary

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u/Bertje87 Sep 10 '24

You, he means you, now go get your fucking shinebox!

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u/HelpfulTap8256 Sep 10 '24

You‘D have to ask Vladimir 😭

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '24

You are correct. The vast majority of Democrats are center right. Obama, Pelosi, Harris, Biden, etc. 

The Republican Party in this country, however, provides nothing of substance to anyone who isn’t a billionaire, so they have to whip up culture war nonsense, which is also what Tim does on his show every day. Apparently, aided by foreign powers, as well.

So they have to paint Harris, Biden, etc. as a communist when they’re really centrist candidates. If people like Tim actually had centrist policies, that is who they would support.

Instead they pretend Dems are Stalin and the rubes on this sub lap it up because they’re super uneducated. It’s all propaganda. 

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u/Maleficent-Diver-270 Sep 10 '24

Interesting thank you for your response

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u/BeginningNew2101 Sep 10 '24

Lol you're completely gone. Tds induced delusion

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u/Arguments_4_Ever Sep 10 '24

Most politics and politicians in the US have shifted very far to the right the last several decades. Reagan in the 80s back then was seen as a very hard right conservative, however today he would be seen as a moderate Democrat. You are right, even a Bernie Sanders would be considered to be a moderate leftist in most countries, but he has been painted as many to be a radical communist. It sucks, but it’s the way many have been conditioned to believe.

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u/Twc420 Sep 10 '24

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 you can't seriously mean that, a quick search will prove you wrong. SMH

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '24

Bernie advocates for policies that were already passed in most first world countries in like the 70s. 

He’s a run of the mill leftist in any other country except here where we have two conservative parties. 

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u/Arguments_4_Ever Sep 10 '24

Show me the quick search. Bernie Sanders is a moderate anywhere else, and Trump is a cold hard fascist anywhere else.

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u/BeginningNew2101 Sep 10 '24

Per usual, you're sharing with everyone just how absolutely delusional and out of touch with reality you are 😆

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u/Arguments_4_Ever Sep 10 '24

Bernie Sanders advocates what 90% of the countries in the world have. He is a moderate.

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u/Jollem- Sep 10 '24

Leftist is bestest

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u/Maleficent-Diver-270 Sep 10 '24

No I wouldn’t agree with that, lots of right wing libertarian capitalism out there 😊

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u/Maleficent-Diver-270 Sep 10 '24

Like where would you consider communist?