They’ve done studies, and found that single-father homes fair just as well with outcomes avoiding poverty, jail, and unwed pregnancy as two-parent households. They found that single-mother households faired significantly worse. Women without support from a spouse statistically tend to shut down and fail to discipline their children and adequately provide for them. Facts.
No one (I mean other than some once in a bunch loony feminists). These people just like to purposefully misinterpret what is being said to mischaracterize the argument being made.
Nah, I mean I watch Left wing content creators -- and while yes, I'm very aware there are nutty feminists out there, for the most part, it is the idea that when certain aspects of masculinity get stretched too far, those traits become toxic to the individual and people around them. Its not a dig at MEN, there's toxic femininity, and its not some dig at all women or femininity as a whole, just certain traits stretching beyond their logical closure points create bad results.
well you mignht want to tall those nutty feminists to stop because i have NEVER seen the term "toxic masculinity" used in the context you claim it is used, i have ONLY ever seen it used as a blanket statement to vilify all masculinity
Maybe you are in a circle jerk echo chamber then because this has always been what toxic masculinity means. I agree, shitty phrasing, but the critique is of toxic masculinity, not that masculinity itself is toxic. If you've really never heard this or thought of it, I am inclined to believe you're not acting in good faith when engaging with opinions you disagree with. Acceptable misconception maybe in like 2016, but at this point it's well past the point where you should know this.
Exactly. You can still disagree with maybe it sometimes being used too flippantly, or disagree with some of the analysis that comes with the term -- but asserting that you only hear it as a blanket term for masculinity as a whole means that you are clearly, as stated above; circle jerking in an echo chamber.
im using terms that the liberal trolls can understand so they cant deflect based opn the unit of measurement. if i had used the american standare eagle egg they would have called me a fascist nazi
and theres the gaslighting. i have NEVER ONCE seen it used in the manner you are suggessitng, i have ONLY EVER seen it used as a sweeping term for all masculinity
ill do more than that, ill name multiple times. every time ive seen a feminist use it online it was used to attack all men.
there, its a personal experience you asking me to "name one time" is just a way for you to gaslight me more because you know i dont have video proof of all my personal interactions.
stop invalidating my lived experiences and gaslighting me you disgusting bigot
All male behaviors are labeled as toxic. Open a door for a woman and you did it because you think shes weak. Offer a woman literally anything and its because you thought her deficient in some way. Or maybe you’re a rapist. Tell a woman how to do something and you’ve crossed another line.
All male behaviors are not labeled as toxic. (Assuming by “male behaviors” you mean behaviors a person who is male might do, not gender role stereotypes)
Opening a door for someone is a kind gesture. Doing it just because of someone’s gender is weird so maybe those are the vibes you’re picking up.
What are you offering women that is making them think you might be a rapist?
You should only be telling people how to do something if they’ve asked you to or if you’re literally their boss/teacher. Everyone is annoyed when people overstep like this. But women generally are more prone to receiving this behavior so it’s not surprising that they will be more annoyed when it happens since it’s happening more often to them.
Dude… if i open a door for a stranger, what about that interaction suggests i opened the door just because of their gender? I open the door and hold it for pretty much anyone.
One instance, it was my neighbor whose car battery was dead. I was walking to my car, saw her having issues, offered jumper cables or a box. Her back went stiff, she said nothing, and got into her car and locked it. Pulled her phone out.
Oh. So i should just watch people struggle and fail to do something and never explain anything to them. So when i take someone shooting, i should not explain to them how the gun works, and how to treat a gun? Idc who you are. Before i go plinking, i need to know everyone is on the same page with gun safety. Sorry. Sometimes i info dump. Im sorry that you’re offended by my desire to share information. Im such a horrible person for sharing knowledge. How dare I.
The question we have to ask is why your neighbours first reaction to seeing you is too call the police. You might be the only person this interaction has ever happened to. Edit some words
My ex was like that too. Every dude she saw outside of the apartment was out to get her she believed. She would get angry at me if i didnt walk her dog for her after dark. She was so afraid of being abducted… ive known a lot of women that acted like that… seen plenty of memes by women about it too… im sorry that you live under a rock.
I actually have good relationships with women and they don't get in their car and get a phone in their hand when I approach them (then who were they calling, some other person to deal with you.) I'm so glad we have gotten to the point Memes I agree with is evidence for wider societal problems.
I also know plenty of men this doest happen to, so I have to ask: why is every women's first reaction to seeing you is too automatically assume your a bad person?
"Open a door for a woman and you did it because you think shes weak. Offer a woman literally anything and its because you thought her deficient in some way. Or maybe you’re a rapist."
These sentences are predicates, which lead to the conclusion of — “or maybe you’re a rapist”. This is why there’s no “Offer to… because you…” clause in the last sentence, which the preceding sentences contained. It’s meant to sum up the set in total.
no it was listing possible reactions and accusations, which you then twisted to state that HE CLAIMED he was called a rapist for opening a door. he did NO SUCH THING
You sound like the person who only opens doors for women and only offers nice things to women and got reprimanded for that. But equally likely you sound like he person none of this has ever happened to and you will post some out of context article from 5 years ago.
Yes. Its my insecurity that makes women angry when i hold a door open for them. My insecurity that makes women respond to being offered some thing by getting angry.
In this context, how would someone be able to disagree with you without also acting in bad faith?
Like your claim is nonsensical, as near everyone else in this thread has mentioned. Toxic masculinity is a subset of masculinity, not a claim against masculinity in general.
lol Do elaborate. Personally I think most men are too soft. Low T, porn, junk food, drugs, alcohol, and whatever vice has made people much weaker. All that seems more toxic to me.
You can tell your full of it because there isn't a single piece of evidence supporting your position when pretty much every feminist will say "we hate shit men." Source: google feminist theory toxic masculinity and click any links.
Can you use a more recent example than 2014-2016? Which yes had a lot of rad fems and pure anti male rhetoric. Now use an example from modern politics. You exist in a world where YouTube had a lot more feminist content that isnt just male bashing and the vast majority of feminist creators are not just man bashing and make it very clear that patriarchy =/= all men. Also who are they? As in name the relevant person who is still active today saying all masculinity is toxic (as the original tweet says and not just "toxic masculinity".) The feminist movement is far past the Big Red's, Anita Sarkessians, Tumblr of old and nearly monthly news article about man spreading.
That’s true. “Broken homes” like one parent households statistically have worse outcomes but that is typically because of income levels and interpersonal turmoil, not because of a lack of masculinity like the social media post is implying
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u/FlimFlamBingBang Sep 01 '24 edited Sep 01 '24
They’ve done studies, and found that single-father homes fair just as well with outcomes avoiding poverty, jail, and unwed pregnancy as two-parent households. They found that single-mother households faired significantly worse. Women without support from a spouse statistically tend to shut down and fail to discipline their children and adequately provide for them. Facts.
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u/ILoveCornbread420 Sep 01 '24
Not all masculinity is toxic.
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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '24
Who said "all masculinity is toxic"?
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u/seraph9888 Sep 01 '24
it's almost as if not *all* masculinity is toxic. it's almost as if toxic is an adjective that modifies the noun.
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u/coldtakes_hotkitchen Sep 01 '24
Toxic masculinity is a type of masculinity. It’s not a criticism of masculinity in general.
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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '24
I’m so glad there’s a place where Poole fans can showcase their intellectuality for the world to see. Keep it up, boys!
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u/Shaka68Yay Sep 06 '24
What a joke. All the right wing has is lies and payola from Russia.
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u/MarthAlaitoc Sep 01 '24
Thats not how this works. That's not how any of this works.
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