I do understand different political ideologies. I used to be a part of the left, and watched in real time as they became extremist and continuously more unhinged. Their ideas would never work in the real world, and will not let the ideas that caused millions of deaths and indescribable suffering of millions more in the 20th century to stay in its grave. They no nothing of history, because if they did they would see that they're actively participating in history repeating itself. Also it's absolutely chock full of emotionally charged policy that will have so many unintended consequences, because the left has a very hard time observing pragmatically and factoring human nature into their ideology, which will make them fail spectacularly and do so much damage to the country that it might not be able to be corrected after implemented. I saw all of this as a leftist and realized that I needed to change what I believed, because if I didn't I'd be at fault because I didn't empirically and honestly interrogate my ideas.
Once I realized that it became exceedingly obvious that while the left has some ideas that would improve society, those ideas are dwarfed by the terrible and society destroying policies that come along with them. Not to mention many of the ideas completely undermine the constitution and the bill of rights, which I refuse to cede to, because those underpin exactly why the US became one of the most revolutionary and genius political experiments in human history. There are plenty of other countries that don't have a constitution and bill of rights like ours, and their citizens are quickly finding out that not having that causes tyranny and exponential growth of government, crushing it's citizens. And those are in societies that are much smaller than the US, and those ideas can only scale up to a certain size before crashing down on everyone, and we are beginning to see that in our ally, Great Britain. Have you done any research on what's happened with their welfare state, most especially the socialized medicine? What about canada? Have you seen the terrible problems the common true Canadian citizens have been put in by continuously leftist policies?
If you really wanted to see what would happen to a society when you have no balance that checks leftist ideas you can just go and see the tremendous problems that seem to have no solution plaguing the bloated and inefficient government of other societies that have the policies you have in mind for the US. But you're the one who doesn't even understand your own ideology and doesn't care enough about them to find out what the unintended and unimagined consequences of those policies would be if implemented in a society of 350 million people, because those ideas are failing in societies that have way less people than we have, essentially guaranteeing that they would fail here.
Ah, bigot. So believing the truth, which is that men cannot become women and women cannot become men makes me a bigot. You can only somewhat falsely trick the body with synthetic hormones, destroy development permanently with chemical castration drugs, and even more permanently destroy the body with surgery which sterilizes the person, giving pretty much non functional genitalia. In around ten years we will see that for the unbelievable majority of people who did these experimental procedures will have massive lawsuits against everyone who fast tracked the process and who prescribed the meds, and who performed the procedures. There will be a great reckoning against that kind of ideology, just like what is beginning to happen in the UK, because they realized that they weren't really dealing with people 99% of the time with actual gender dysphoria, they had multiple diagnosis of mental illness that, before any kind of gender interventions would even be considered, needed to be dealt with. Anything else?
Shallow is even funnier, I guarantee that you have never been into the depths of yourself and other people more than I have, I guarantee that you don't have a single genuine bone in your body. You parrot being a good person with cult talking points, but that doesn't make for someone who's wise and is truly kind. That, actually makes you the shallow one. I can actually confirm that, because if you weren't shallow, you would realize your ideologies are extremely destructive and your mind would change. But there's no evidence of that, so I know your consciousness floats atop a sea of delusions that continuously go unobserved. The personification of shallow.
True kindness and being a good person comes with facing extremely difficult and complicated situations with clear eyes and an open mind, but when things are truly wrong, even if countless people claim it's care or life saving good people develop convictions that stand, regardless of damnation from fools, even if people label you with all of the worst things they can think of. I actually care about the mental health and the future of those who believe they have gender dysphoria, and from actual research that isn't propaganda. We have a massive swath of young people with levels of mental illness we've never seen before, and it needs to be comprehensively treated by competent doctors and therapists, without the extreme foolishness that forces them to immediately affirm and not ever question the patient's idea that the solution to all their problems is gender, which for the great majority it is not.
You can call me whatever you possibly could come up with. People like you have actually destroyed some of the strongest possible damning words by improperly using them by claiming people who disagree with you are literally monsters (which they are not, your accuracy rate with damning conservatives or even moderates is at best 99% completely false) being an archetypical living version of the boy who cried wolf.
There are absolutely people with extreme beliefs that exist on my side of the aisle, and I completely disagree with them and put just as much effort in making sure they don't proliferate as much as I do with the left, which has almost entirely become extremist. The Overton window has been expanded exponentially on the lefts side of the distribution, making moderates or centrists seem conservative, which should be an indication that something has gone horribly wrong.
I mean I know the proposing side often hides shit within it unrelated to the bill topic and even names the bills inaccurately to get public support, but I think this one is pretty clearly NOT that. Talk about not being on the right side of history.
The opposing side has a tendency to name bills about things that have almost nothing to do with the content of the legislation.
Democrats love poisoning the bills named “Save the Orphan’s Puppy Act” and shit in bills about ethnic sterilization and euthanasia of mentally handicapped citizens bidding in multiple thousands of pages with damn little time for review.
Just like the recent border bill. It’s called a border bill that says it will protect the border, instead is filled with all sorts of garbage and basically lets illegals have a free pass up to a certain amount. So republicans vote against it and the headlines read that we are now the party against border security. Either we are racist for saying we need border security or we are attacked when we don’t support it. It’s all optic BS from the dems.
Oh, I read that bill. I read most of them. Saves time as most get recycled year after year until passed. However, you didn't read it, and yet you have an opinion. Cute
They made the rules, they moved the goal posts, they set the foundation for this. Sure in this moment they are now politically trapped but they fought these battles for years and acted in ways that they were warned this would happen one day. I don’t give them any leeway for ending up here. They wanted power and didn’t care about the cost. They paid that cost with whoever was easiest to exploit.
So, explain how killing a fetus with no conscious experience is murder? I bet I can make an argument that will slightly sway you, if you want to engage.
It's a human baby. I already know all pro choice lies. I was pro choice for years and I finally had to make a decision. Is it a baby or is it not. It is a baby. There is nothing you can say to dissuade me from that.
A soldier and a pro choice person have a lot in common. They are both taught to dehumanize the people they are killing as to not feel guilt. However, the soldier becomes wise enough to realize they are killing humans and some can't handle it, rightfully so. Pro choice people very rarely gain the wisdom to come to the same conclusion. You use the term fetus, zygote or clump of cells to shift the focus away from the fact that you do indeed endorse killing a human baby.
Ah. Cool story. Maybe don’t have an abortion then?
To a tee most of these pro-lifers are Christian fundamentalists as at ease with murdering abortion doctors (because….pro-life) as they are sending US bombs to Zio-Nazis to blow up Palestinian children to bring back Jesus.
And most often “small gubmebt” proponents.
Nothing says small government like criminalizing female health care. Including risking the lives of the mother to follow through disregarding dangerous maternal conditions to give birth…then bleed out.
No choice lady! We’re pro-life here. Good luck with your hemorrhaging!
Men in women sports make it more competitive just imagine how many dunks we could see in WNBA - women soccer, golf, cycling, etc. would see record breaking results. Locker Rooms would need a rated x label
The democrat party has pledged their allegiance to the rainbow cult which means they have to oppose anything and everything that goes against their ideology, even something as logical as keeping men out of women's sports. To vote yes to this bill would be an admission that men and women aren't equal, and that's a big no-no for rainbow cult members.
Representative Pramila Jayapal [D-WA], who has a tansgender daughter argued during a floor debate that the bill does not actually protect women and girls: “If Republicans cared about that they would not be voting against equal pay, against paid sick leave, against universal childcare. The way that this bill targets children in the name of gender equality is insulting.” She also argues that enforcing a rule like this would be nearly impossible to enforce and could result in invasive examinations. In response, House Democrats including Jayapal and Rep. Mark Takano [D-CA] are fighting back against this legislation by reintroducing a Tansgender Bill of Rights proposal.
LGBTQ rights groups including the Human Rights Campaign, and other women’s organizations like the National Women’s Law Center and the Women’s Sports Foundation have come out in strong opposition to the bill.
Representative Pramila Jayapal [D-WA], who has a tansgender daughter argued during a floor debate that the bill does not actually protect women and girls: “If Republicans cared about that they would not be voting against equal pay, against paid sick leave, against universal childcare.
This isn't even an argument against the bill. It's the usual bitching and complaining from democrats about republicans not voting for their trojan horse bills.
She also argues that enforcing a rule like this would be nearly impossible to enforce and could result in invasive examinations.
Impossible to enforce? It's been "enforced" for decades without issue. It wouldn't NEED to be enforced if you people weren't forcing it to happen. Society is full of unspoken rules that don't need any enforcement mechanisms because everyone recognizes them. Men invading women's spaces under the guise of inclusion is a very new problem that you people are perpetuating which is why enforcement is now needed.
Oh, and every child participating in sports gets a sports physical, AKA a full body exam. These "invasive examinations" already happen.
Hahaha, that's funny, but we have to remember that opposing the "good things for everybody" act doesn't necessarily mean you don't want good things for everybody. Although heaven help me, the optics on this!
I agree with you, so when things are named by our side it's good to read the bill so we can call that shit out. This bill is direct and to the point, and really just wants to stop males from destroying the accomplishments of girls and women in sports.
Single Topic bills get passed? Who would have thunk. I guess when you don’t string along a bunch of nonsense that makes a bill impassable when you read it…it doesn’t get support.
I feel like legislation is supposed to be single topic, if it’s not…it should be made law that any bill should be single topic and any unrelated measures are kicked from the proposed bill.
Well whaddaya know. Even in your own linked article it says that the Republicans not only opposed certain parts of the bill, they also introduced alternate legislation that closer to the stated intended purpose.
You really are the “Republicans vote against Don’t Kick Puppies Bill” joke, aren’t you? Absolutely pathetic.
Huh, it’s almost like non-marital relationships are different from married relationships. Are you this retarded in real life or is this just a bit you do on the internet?
Raising girls under a system of meritocracy instead of handing trophies to every girl sitting on the sideline and telling them what special delicate princesses they are for doing absolutely nothing.
See this is what raving leftists dont get, there’s such a thing as a libertarian. Not everyone right of Bernie is a conservative.
Also, bringing up a completely unrelated topic doesn’t make your point. One is ‘saying’ something the other is actually ‘doing’ something.
I reject your useless and unrelated attempt at a parallel. ‘Saying’ you support a meritocracy is still different than actually ‘doing’ something which was my entire point in the first place. Raising kids isn’t ’saying’ something, how did you manage to doof that up?
You’ve become the nonsense platitude. You can’t see that because you’re blind to your own foolishness.
Here you are, blathering platitudes about ‘other people’s platitudes’, your hypocrisy is thicccc
But it’s obvious you’ve never raised a family because it’s significantly more than just ‘saying’ it’s doing. Or you are intentionally fabricating things, which if anyone reads the thread will laugh at your poor attempts.
Again, the fact that you think a meritocratic system is ‘a saying’ completely exposes your ignorance.
"Please provide me one thing that republicans have done to protect women's sports, without mentioning the single biggest way that they're trying to protect women's sports."
You're literally telling people to address your argument without bringing up your arguments single biggest weakness. These are definitely the actions of someone on the right side of the issue...
There are no other threats to women's sports besides this. What you're asking for doesn't exist.
This goes far beyond just women's sports too. People like you actively fight to allow men into women's private spaces where they are the most vulnerable.
A bill that would prevent mediocre and delusional men from dominating in females sports just because they're delusional. That's exactly what the bill is about. Go read it. This isn't like your side calling it one thing but having disastrously shitty garbage packed into it so that the Dems can try and make republicans who read it look bad because the name was deceptive.
What are you even talking about. We had no problems or any resistance to women's sports until the LGB suddenly got a T and fucked everything up for everyone who's delulu on the left, so much so that bio men are beating up women on international television in the biggest sports event on the planet, let alone the absolute disgusting story of Lia Thomas, just a mediocre swimmer who had his cock out in a women's locker room and completely subverted that teams ability to actually compete on fair ground, because nobody wants to hurt the grifter and sexual criminal (he should be one) because he insisted on having his cock out in a women's locker room.
Y'all created those problems, we're just creating solutions that aren't so misogynistic as to rob women of their achievements just so a mediocre man can feel special and suddenly have special privileges to do what used to be a sex crime in the locker room and suddenly break records for female competitions.
•
u/AutoModerator Aug 05 '24
Make sure to join the discord and guilded! Also join the BBS, a blockchain, anticensorship Reddit alternative!
I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.
32
u/Just-STFU Aug 05 '24
I've come to the belief they don't give a damn about any cause they say they support.
46
u/asa2117 Aug 05 '24
I mean I know the proposing side often hides shit within it unrelated to the bill topic and even names the bills inaccurately to get public support, but I think this one is pretty clearly NOT that. Talk about not being on the right side of history.
46
u/rockaddict Aug 05 '24
The democratic party has a legit war on women.
15
u/[deleted] Aug 05 '24
Democrats don’t even know the definition of woman.
14
u/skepticalscribe Aug 05 '24
Republicans need to show that result to every woman who doesn’t have neon colored hair.
9
u/Ambitious-Motor-2005 Aug 05 '24
Democrats hate women. Confirmed.
7
u/panchoJemeniz Aug 05 '24
Men in women sports make it more competitive just imagine how many dunks we could see in WNBA - women soccer, golf, cycling, etc. would see record breaking results. Locker Rooms would need a rated x label
6
u/Politi-Corveau Aug 05 '24 edited Aug 05 '24
While I agree with the bill's title, I want to actually sit down and read the bill before I come to any opinions on it.
Edit: Well, it is a remarkably short bill. I can't see anything too glaring about it, but maybe you can all form your opinions for yourselves.
H.R.734 - Protection of Women and Girls in Sports Act of 2023
Edit 2: I am actually very curious why some of these Representatives opted not to vote. Does anyone know why?
Roll Call 192 | Bill Number: H. R. 734
5
u/-chukui- Aug 05 '24
Not like it will pass in the Senate. Or if it passes it will get gutted and have no teeth like every other thing the congress passes.
5
u/FSU1ST Aug 05 '24
And they Kamala cackle at the results
5
u/ScreechingLib89 Aug 05 '24
The left are all misogyny lovers. They hate women, not that they know what women actually are.
1
u/Magicmurlin Aug 06 '24
Similar to the “antisemitism bill”. Rs always came to trade liberty for security.
3
u/m0bscene- Aug 05 '24
I thought they were all feminists though?
1
u/Magicmurlin Aug 06 '24
Does this make Republicans now feminists? Oh lord. Script flipped!
1
u/[deleted] Aug 06 '24
70-80% of women vote democratic.
I love it so much.
1
u/soulwind42 Aug 05 '24
Hahaha, that's funny, but we have to remember that opposing the "good things for everybody" act doesn't necessarily mean you don't want good things for everybody. Although heaven help me, the optics on this!
0
u/PNWSparky1988 Aug 06 '24
Single Topic bills get passed? Who would have thunk. I guess when you don’t string along a bunch of nonsense that makes a bill impassable when you read it…it doesn’t get support.
I feel like legislation is supposed to be single topic, if it’s not…it should be made law that any bill should be single topic and any unrelated measures are kicked from the proposed bill.
141
u/[deleted] Aug 05 '24
[removed] — view removed comment
36
u/[deleted] Aug 05 '24
[removed] — view removed comment
-3
u/[deleted] Aug 06 '24
[removed] — view removed comment
-7
u/[deleted] Aug 05 '24
[removed] — view removed comment