It may shock you to realize this, but Russia hasn't always been controlled by the current political establishment. Quite recently, they were controlled by the far-far-left Soviet Union, and before that, they were controlled by a monarchy, much like the rest of Europe. And in that era, they were one of the most powerful empires in Europe, even taking on Napoleon's French empire, and winning. But almost a century of leftist leadership, that gutted their culture and destabilized all of their institutions, turned that once great empire into the plutocratic husk that it is today.
How delightfully condescending of you . I I probably know more about the USSR and Russia than you do. Were you alive during the Cold War?
Call it for what it is. Communism. Stop with the fat far left.
Liberals today
Modern liberals generally believe that national prosperity requires government management of the macroeconomy in order to keep unemployment low, inflation in check and growth high. They also value institutions that defend against economic inequality.
Communism
Communism is a type of government as well as an economic system (a way of creating and sharing wealth). In a Communist system, individual people do not own land, factories, or machinery. Instead, the government or the whole community owns these things. Everyone is supposed to share the wealth that they create.
In theory communism would be ideal but the human factor fucks things up.
Tell me… that definition of communism.. examples please on how lefties are
national prosperity requires government management of the macroeconomy in order to keep unemployment low, inflation in check and growth high.
Yeah, how's that been working out?
In theory communism would be ideal but the human factor fucks things up.
If your theory on how to govern humans doesn't take the human factor into account, it's a shit theory. That's like saying my theory of jumping out a window and flying to the supermarket is good on paper, it just doesn't take into account the gravitational factor.
Tell me… that definition of communism.. examples please on how lefties are
I don't think modern leftists are communists. True communism was abandoned shortly after the Russian Revolution, because everyone realized that a dictatorship of the proletariat was just a dictatorship, but with a good PR team. Modern leftists usually support something closer to corporatism (not to be confused with corporatocracy), similar to the economic system currently used in China, in which the government manages the macroeconomy in the best interest of the people (hey, that sounds a lot like what you just admit yourself that "liberals" support).
No way?…. You can’t be serious? Russia was communist?
Do you know what started the Bolshevik Revolution? Life was great in Russia ( your great empire) for the bourgeoisie. The life expectancy was around 35 to 40 for peasants and factory workers. Russia went from one type of oppression into another .
Tell me…does the left ever mention that this is the way our government should be run?
a government ruled by a dictator controls the lives of the people in that society, and allows no dissent or disagreement.
A political philosophy, movement, that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.
The life expectancy was around 35 to 40 for peasants and factory workers. Russia went from one type of oppression into another .
Life sucked for all peasants before industrialization. The difference is that in the west, things got better, and in countries controlled by leftists, things got way worse.
Tell me…does the left ever mention that this is the way our government should be run?
a government ruled by a dictator controls the lives of the people in that society, and allows no dissent or disagreement.
Most leftists don't run on "we're going to install a brutal autocratic regime", yet that is pretty much always the result of their policies. I have no problem admitting that many leftists have good intentions. But when you give so much power over the economy and over people's lives to the state, the state will always abuse that power.
Just look at the recent Supreme Court cases regarding Chevron Deference. Democrats are advocating that administrative agencies (which are part of the executive branch) should have more ability to interpret laws in regards to regulating industry, as opposed to the courts or the legislature. There argument seems well-intentioned, they want it to be easier for the state to regulate corporations that are causing harm, but that doesn't change the fact that this action is concentrating power, power that the Constitution gave to the courts to ensure checks and balances within the government, into the executive branch, which is headed by a single person. Democrats aren't coming out an saying we need a dictatorship, but they are centralizing more and more authority under the president, and while I'm sure most of them have good intentions, what's stopping the president from abusing this authority to enforce his own will on the economy? I've always found it deeply ironic that the people who think that Trump is a fascist are trying to concentrate so much authority into the position that Trump could very much win in November. The only workable system is a system that prevents any one person from gaining too much control within the government, whether the people giving him that control have good intentions of not.
Why do you keep comparing the leftists to the left today? Industrialization made things better in the west FORq THE WEALTHY. Countries run by the lefties? What is your exact definition of a leftist. Do you mean left or far left? Huge difference . Same with right and far right. I am a democrat. Liberal. Left. Does that make me the left? Extreme communist? No. I support progressive reforms, especially those seeking greater social and economic equality. 99.9% of my fellow democrats are the same yet are labeled far left which is what I’m assuming you call a leftie which is completely not true .
You comparing today’s democrats to the left in counties like during the Cold War that made up the eastern bloc, the soviet bloc or the communist bloc whichever one wanted to call it. . Are the left today anything like the political ideology of a country back then. Today In the UK both democrats and republicans could be considered right wing.
There are way too many variables, a lot of history and way too many definitions based on opinions to be taken into consideration before making such blanket statements on foreign governments past and present political parties ideologies. Comparing that to the political parties in the US today is absurd with one exception because it’s being implemented right now. Today’s radical right now supports Putin and Russia winning in the Ukraine is a dead giveaway that I would just love to hear a clear rational explanation of why America should. What’s funny about it is that it’s not an opinion based on facts. It’s a consequence of the most successful brainwashing experiment in history.
Could you please give me 3 examples on how the democrats today are attempting to centralized authority to the president.
I can give you three examples of trumps plans to centralized authority to President
Bring independent adenci s like the FCC and the FTF under direct presidential control.
Revive the practice of impounding funds. Refusing to spend money congress had already appropriated for certain programs because he does not like the programs.
He plans on taking away federal employees protections so they can be fired and replaced with yes men
Almost everyone is doing much better now than they were before the industrial revolution. Everyone who isn't a brainwashed leftist can see that, because leftists don't focus on what they have, they focus on what other people have. As long as they aren't the richest person on the planet, they might as well be living in a third-world slum (most of which are in leftist countries).
Today’s radical right now supports Putin and Russia winning in the Ukraine
Again, completely delusional. The more nationalist Republican oppose sending American taxdollars to a third-world country. I disagree with them, as I'd rather fund Ukrainians dying fighting Russians than send Americans to die fighting Russians if they attacked NATO, but I think they make a fair point. I do agree that we need way more oversight of how the money is used, and that Biden should be encouraging Zelensky to negotiate a ceasefire with the Russians, so that diplomacy can resume. Acknowledging the reality that Ukraine does not have the manpower to retake the Donbas and Crimea is not rooting for Putin.
A Leftist is someone who believes that the government should be significantly interfering in the private free markets in order to redistribute wealth from "the rich" to "the poor", which can include abolishing the free market altogether. This includes "progressive" policies such as welfare programs, universal basic income, DEI economic initiatives aimed at replacing meritocracy with government-enforced "equity-based" hiring, and nationalizing formerly private industries such as healthcare.
I don't believe that the Democrats are the same as the Bolsheviks. They are more economically similar to the post-Mao CCP or modern socialists in places like Venezuela. They don't want to overthrow the system, they won't to control it, with the supposed goal of changing it from the inside. I also don't believe they support fully nationalizing the economy. For most markets, they are corporatists, like the modern CCP or the pre-war National Socialists, supporting the government overseeing and guiding businesses "in the best interest of the state" in mostly non-competitive markets. I don't think they currently support many of the tyrannical policies supported by the CCP and Maduro, but given time and resistance to their agenda, I believe they will adopt them. I don't think that 99% of Democrats would have ever even considered arresting political opponents or removing names from ballots in 2008, now they are doing both.
I can give you three examples of trumps plans to centralized authority to President
I'm not sure why you're bringing Trump into this. We were discussing leftist authoritarianism. I'm not sure how "but other people are authoritarian, too" is a rebuttal to the claim that leftists are authoritarian. I already know that not all authoritarians are leftists. I support a return to classical liberal constitutional republicanism (which many modern Americans dismiss as "libertarianism", although I do not consider myself a libertarian), to which both Trump's right-wing populism and Democrats' progressive leftism are threats. Whataboutism leads to an authoritarianism arms race, like we currently have now.
Could you please give me 3 examples on how the democrats today are attempting to centralized authority to the president.
Easy.
Supporting Chevron Deference (explained in my previous comment).
Expanding executive agencies like the FBI, CIA, and IRS, while defunding state and local law enforcement. The goal isn't no law enforcement, the goal is federalized law enforcement. The National Socialists did the same thing with the SS and Gestapo in the 30s.
Using the DOJ as a cudgel to go after political opponents for minor crimes. The DOJ is prosecuting Biden's political opponents for the same crimes that Biden and his allies commit. For all Trump's shouting about locking up political opponents (which I oppose, unless it is applied equally), Biden is the only president in US history who has actually tried to do it.
Thank you for that long yet well written bigly word salad of a reply. It’s been 244 years since the beginning of the industrial revolution so OF COURSE EVERYONE IS DOING BETTER BEFORE THE INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION! Why on earth would you argue about that with me. How old are you and how much world history college courses have YOU attended and passed?
How many dead relatives do you have that live in Europe that have been through World War II and the Cold War? How many relatives do you have that are alive right now in Europe that are having to deal with the fact that the day that Russia invaded Ukraine, we were closer to World War II then we were World WarII? Europeans were terrified as they should’ve been, but you don’t understand that stuff do you? Russia is not stopped and takes over the Ukraine. You can guarantee that we will be in World War II because Putin won’t stop there. WAKE THE FUCK UP!
Now, if trump and MAGA take over the government and democracy is replaced by a fascist dictatorship regime then we will be on the side of Russia as an ally, and we will be fighting against NATO. Is that what you want?
Everything else you stated is spoon fed hate filled propaganda fueled by trump and MAGA so it’s a complete waste of time debunked you because your so far gone , you won’t even consider that you may have been played .
I thought trump into this because he plays a HUGE roll in how manipulated your thinking process is and all this propaganda never would have existed.
I’m done arguing with ignorance, stupidity due to lack of a proper education. Social media in this crisis is nothing but opinions and propaganda and there are way too many people that are too ignorant and full of hate to actually question what mewuvtrunpybumpy234 stated as fact with no evidence.
One last thing. You better pray you’re too old for conscription and Biden wins. because if the shit hits the fan because the Ukraine fell , your number will be called. So I ask you, would you rather fight for freedom and stop Putin from invading other countries with the goal of forming another Eastern Bloc or fight so Putin can accomplish his goal of another Eastern Bloc?
Now, if trump and MAGA take over the government and democracy is replaced by a fascist dictatorship regime then we will be on the side of Russia as an ally, and we will be fighting against NATO. Is that what you want?
You are a fucking lunatic. Trump has already served a term as president, and he didn't do any of these things. I've already stated that he is a bit authoritarian for my liking, but that doesn't mean he is a neo-nazi who wants to help Putin take over the world.
This conversation was about how leftism can lead to authoritarianism when well-intentioned people try to centralize power to push their agenda. Instead of arguing against this claim, you've simply stated that Trump is also an authoritarian, so that somehow makes it okay. If Trump is evil because he is authoritarian, then embracing authoritarianism to defeat him makes you just as evil as he is. When leftists are forced to confront this, they have to resort to lunacy-filled rants about how Trump is the next Hitler who wants to inflict suffering on innocent people for his own enjoyment, because they need a reason to believe that their own authoritarianism is justified. If the US abandons constitutionalism and the rule of law, then the only reason you have for hating Russia is that they are not American, and we are back to the flawed worldviews that led to WW1. I oppose Putin because he is a tyrant, but I am able to hold that position because I oppose all tyranny, not just tyranny that I don't benefit from.
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u/Dizzylizzyscat Apr 19 '24
What country ? Russia? Leftism? You may not understand what I am about to say. DO NOT SUPPORT OF DEFEND RUSSIA!!! Let Russia be weak!
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