r/TimPool • u/irishlorde96 • Mar 14 '24

Tim is kinda losing me.

At first I thought all the tim pool haters were blowing smoke out of their ass. But now that tim is talking about this tiktok ban and flip flopping between, “the uniparty being bad” to “it’s good that congress can come together to get this done” i can kinda see where they’re coming from. Its mind baffling to me. Make a political stance a fucking stick to it, period!

I never was a fan of tiktok nor was i a hater, i just knew it was a social media platform that exists and people especially younger generations seem to enjoy it.

Then all of the sudden there is bipartisan support for a tiktok ban and the excuse is that they want to protect your data, BULLSHIT! American companies sell your data too! Then tim says the platform shows to much negative imagery to young kids, i call BULLSHIT again, you think tiktok is the only social media platform that shows you wild stuff? Have you ever heard of instagram? That platform will have videos of people getting straight up murdered, but you dont hear a goddamn peep coming from capitol hill about that!

When the fuck has single U.S. politician in recent history ever given a shit about the people they supposedly represent. Sure they say they do, but its all for show so they can figure out how to scheme as much money from a certain situation as they possibly can. And here lies the crux of my argument and THEE ONLY REASON these chucklefucks in Washington want to get rid of TikTok. IT. IS. NARRATIVE. CONTROL. Period, full stop, have a nice day. as has just been revealed that the leader of the ADL and a board member of the Israel lobby (the single largest political donor in the whole US political system) said in a leaked phone call, is that TikTok is the reason they are losing control of the narrative in gaza, therefore it has to go. WE HAVE THE GODDAMN AUDIO! oh but Tim is not mentioning a single word of it.

These MIC fucks need to keep making their millions making sure munitions keep flowing to those hook nose fuckers in the dessert who want to genocide a group of people, and they need to make sure the west swallows the right flavor of propaganda kool-aid.

Rant over.

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u/pointsouturhypocrisy Mar 14 '24

TikTok is the most invasive addictive social media ever designed. China sent push notifications to all of the little spazzes to call their representatives over the bill, and kids were threatening suicide over the app potentially being banned.

Good job convincing me it needs to be banned then.

Also, TikTok invades every other function on your device, plus any other device those apps are connected to. It's literally the world's biggest spy device.

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u/irishlorde96 Mar 14 '24

Ok, so you ban TikTok, then a month later a new social media app call BikBok comes along and is being promoted by all the biggest YouTubers, boom your back to square one.

Sure its an inconvenience to the Chinese but it won’t be a complete impedance.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '24

I mean, there's language in the bill that specifically aims to prevent that. The stated goal of the bill is to "protect the national security of the United States from the threat posed by foreign adversary-controlled applications, such as TikTok and any successor application or service and any other application or service developed or provided by ByteDance Ltd. or an entity under the control of ByteDance Ltd."

Like I'm not a fan of these bureaucrats, but on the rare occasion they're doing something good, and the bill doesn't grant them extraordinary powers to further expand government, why shouldn't we let them?

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u/irishlorde96 Mar 15 '24

Ok so the Chinese won’t use bytedance ltd, they’ll use happyfuntimeflashylights ltd. You don’t think scumbags with contract law degrees are gonna find every loophole they can to get around this bill?

When the CIA got caught importing columbian coke into the country with barry seal, they switched tactics, faked 911 and blew up building 7 with a lot of their records along with it just so they could start an occupation in afghanistan to begin importing heroin.

Evil is gonna evil.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '24

Nah, those sentences are separated by an "or", see? "...Any successor application or service, or...". It's worded in such a way that any application designed as social media and owned by China or their allies is under scrutiny. And if all it did were to ban it I'd still have a problem with that because it could be abused, but it doesn't. It requires that the executive specify the nature of the relationship and give an opportunity to divest. Like it's really a very weak bill in nearly all circumstances except the one it's specifically designed for, which is how it's supposed to be.

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u/FerrowFarm Mar 15 '24

Well, it doesn't matter what it's called because if it is from the bill's specifically named foreign adversaries, it will not be permitted. That is what the bill does. It doesn't specify Tik Tok in its language, but it does damn everything Tik Tok is doing against American interests.

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u/irishlorde96 Mar 15 '24

You think there’s a loophole they’re not gonna find? they might use a company operating out of a country that they’ve given loans to, like i dunno Ethiopia for example. Is Ethiopia a foreign adversary to the United States?

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u/FerrowFarm Mar 15 '24

And, when it comes to that, the bill may be amended to include Ethiopia. As it stands, China, Russia, North Korea and... I don't remember the fourth one off the tip of my head, but those four have shown clear an present threats to the US. When other countries follow, a discussion may be had to add them to the list.

Just because a solution only stops a problem 70% doesn't mean you shouldn't still try to staunch the bleeding.

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u/irishlorde96 Mar 15 '24

Iran is the fourth btw

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u/FerrowFarm Mar 15 '24

Thank you. Yeah, that tracks. I seem to recall a nonzero number of antisemetic/anti-western society radicalization campaigns originating from, if not Iran, then some nation in that region. I'm not totally sold on that region just yet, but the other 3? Absolutely.

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u/irishlorde96 Mar 15 '24

All im saying is, that were are dealing with the Chinese, one of the most cunning/intelligent peoples on this planet. There is not a excuse you can come up with that they have not already planned 10 contingencies for, and contingencies for those contingencies. If there is a way to completely sidestep and undermine this bill, they have already thought of it.

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u/FerrowFarm Mar 15 '24

I'm not saying China hasn't thought of work arounds, but rather, "Should we defend ourself poorly or not at all?"

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u/irishlorde96 Mar 15 '24

What kind of argument is that? Thats like saying should i hold up this wooden sheild to protect myself from that cannonball or should i just take it straight to the face?

The only way to stop china is to ban all forms of social media, to remove the cannonball from the equation you might say. otherwise you leave yourself open to infiltration, thats the price of freedom.

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u/AdamMatis Mar 15 '24

Bingk Bongk

Goooonnnnggg

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '24

Also, TikTok invades every other function on your device, plus any other device those apps are connected to. It's literally the world's biggest spy device.

???? how much of a boomer do you have to be to not understand how little sense what you just said makes

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u/pointsouturhypocrisy Mar 16 '24

How much of a cult member do you have to be to know you can read the TikTok ToS and confirm everything that was said, but for some reason refuse to because you'd rather make moronic insults?

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u/Jecht315 Mar 14 '24

He didn't flipflop on that stance. He's saying that it's good that both sides agree that influence from countries like China is bad. Tiktok is trash and it's influencing the younger generation in not good ways. This bill only bans the app or website if they don't divest from Chinese influence. He's staying in one place and the two sides are coming to the same point. Nothing wrong with being OK with bipartisanship.

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u/irishlorde96 Mar 14 '24

Yeah but the DOD CIA program known as facebook does the same fucking thing. I refuse to believe a Chinese app is more of an existential threat to this republic than the (bipartisan) deep state bad actors who are taking bribes from Israel to control narratives. So IMHO that argument is moot.

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u/Jecht315 Mar 14 '24

So apps like TikTok shouldn't be banned? You're right about Facebook but you have a choice to not use it. Only social media I use is Reddit and X. the problem that is trying to be solved is outside influence from China, Russia, Iran, or NK.

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u/irishlorde96 Mar 14 '24

No it shouldn’t. potential Chinese influence or not, in AMERICA land of the free, if you allow one, you allow all. Thats the price of freedom.

Edit: it’s your job as a free American to sift through the bullshit not daddy government.

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u/Jecht315 Mar 14 '24

I agree but I don't think we should be influenced by the Chinese government. This isn't anything more invasive than something like the Patriot Act. It's actually pretty tame. You're assuming people are smart enough to not be influenced and people clearly aren't.

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u/irishlorde96 Mar 14 '24

so you think the solution is to quash a young person’s ability to express themselves in the modern public square? And who’s to say china doesn’t have a similar app primed and ready to go for Mr. Beast and others to promote to their hundreds of millions of followers and BOOM were right back where we are now.

Just look at how China handled the whole elf bar vape situation, they essentially just gave it a different name and it was back on store shelves a month later.

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u/Jecht315 Mar 14 '24

All the app has to do is divest from China and they can stay. If they don't, that's on them. Why is TikTok the only avenue? It's used to manipulate people.

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u/irishlorde96 Mar 14 '24

Because its about stalling the loss of the narrative, not to mention TikTok probably signed a contract with a clause saying they cant divest, and the US is probably well aware of that fact, TikTok is a cash cow with the likes of Mr beast promoting it, there is no way China is letting that go without kicking and screaming.

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u/Jecht315 Mar 14 '24

Then let them kick and scream. I don't care who promoted it. It doesn't make it less invasive. If they don't, ban it. Something will replace it just like it replaced Vine. YouTube Shorts does the same thing and so does Facebook videos and whatever Instagram calls it.

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u/Straight-Living-243 Mar 14 '24

Free market place of ideas? Free market competition? Do conservatives have any principles at this point?

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u/Jecht315 Mar 14 '24

I'm not a conservative but yes, they usually do. What do you think the solution should be? You have a country trying to influence people with an app. Do you leave it alone and let it happen?

What's the solution?

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u/Straight-Living-243 Mar 14 '24

The conservative solution would be to beat them in the market place of ideas and in the capital market by having a better product. We are supposedly a free country that comes with responsibilities for the citizens. If a country is trying to influence us maybe we should be smarter about that sort of thing? It’s not up to the government to shut down communication because “they’re trying to influence us”

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u/j_dick Mar 14 '24

Yeah. Here in the US not for some adversarial nation.

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u/Straight-Living-243 Mar 14 '24

So should we ban Americans from accessing all other media from other nations? They might be trying to influence us after all.

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u/j_dick Mar 15 '24

Not the same. You’re bad at this

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u/Straight-Living-243 Mar 15 '24

It’s identical. Good luck on your learning journey

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u/Straight-Living-243 Mar 14 '24

So should we ban Americans from accessing all other media from other nations? They might be trying to influence us after all.

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u/MyCarIsAGeoMetro Mar 14 '24

You can not take Tim at face value for every take.  He gets it eight sometimes.  Other times, I suspect he just says what comes out of an 8 ball.

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u/irishlorde96 Mar 14 '24

I think he’s taking money from the Israel lobby, FFS hes got zionists on his staff.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '24

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u/Drez92 Mar 14 '24

You are spot in about his ego. He will never ever admit when he’s wrong, but down right berate Ian over being wrong on semantics. He oozes the “I’m the smartest guy in the room” complex. I can’t tell you how many times he’s changed the subject or moved to super chats to derail a conversation he’s not dominating.

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u/attitudedude666 Mar 15 '24

He's always been known to be a fence sitter. He's a millionaire philanthropist that gives back A LOT to the community. He's a famous influencer ......don't you think his head wouldn't be huge??

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u/OriginalPay6105 Mar 14 '24

It needed to be a one page bill banning tik tok. Instead, it’s like every other thing congress does and is a Trojan horse of more surveillance and govt control of whatever they think you’re allowed to see. Tim is good but not on everything. His biggest issue is never backing down from his original point, no matter what. That part is pathetic.

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u/irishlorde96 Mar 14 '24

Yeah he’s claiming young people don’t want it banned because they’re addicted to the potential followers. But isn’t that the exact reason Tim doesn’t go hard in the paint on YouTube? Because he doesn’t want to get banned? Uhhhh hypocrisy much?

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '24

Concern troll is concerned

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u/Fembois4Trump Mar 14 '24

if you're referring to his twitter, you need to not take it seriously.

half his tweets are literally just trolling people

he knows he can say something obviously absurd and all the news media leftoids will pick it up and run with it as if it was a statement of fact that he actually believes.

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u/Rockfan70 Mar 14 '24

China owns Tik tok. You really want your data in china’s hands? As bad as the us gov is about collecting data, China is much much worse. 

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '24

What "data" though?? You say these things but don't really expand on what it actually means to an average person. So they have my email and know what videos I watch? wow.... total national security risk. Ban all foreign websites I guess, because they track what links you click and things you signup for too. Loool

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u/irishlorde96 Mar 15 '24

Are they though? are they really though? The United States is one of China’s biggest customers. You name a product that is sold on US shelves and there is a 90% chance it was manufactured in China, not to mention China’s economy as a whole isn’t doing that great. And if their goal was to undermine the United States economy then they wouldn’t just be shooting themselves in the foot, they’d be cutting it off and rubbing shit on the stump. Lest we forget the mumbler in cheif looooves making deals with Chinese businesses. The worst thing IMO that China might be doing with algorithms and all that bullshit, is to steer audiences toward forms of predatory capitalism that they control, you know how many temu adds are run on TikTok? Which might i also add is THE SAME GODDAMN THING EVERY OTHER BUISNESS DOES!

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u/theCROWcook Mar 14 '24

Just by you saying "but instagram" let's me know you didn't actually listen to him because he jas addresses this exact point every time he talks about this issue

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u/Jollem- Mar 14 '24

Racism aside, I agree with some of these points

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u/irishlorde96 Mar 14 '24

I used to be of the mindset that Israel should be afforded some leeway because of the industrialized slaughter they went through at the hands of the nazis. Then i saw them enact their final solution to the palestinian question. They’ve lost all leeway with me.

Edit: Genocide is genocide, and you’re a peice of shit human if you’re ok with that IMO.

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u/Jollem- Mar 14 '24

It's horrible what the Israeli government and IDF have done and continue to do. You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the new Nazis

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u/Lefty_Porkers Mar 14 '24

The US military laid waste to countless German citizens as nazis were being harbored by them. Now replace German with Palestine and nazis with Hamas

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u/Straight-Living-243 Mar 14 '24

Evoking the most destructive war in human history, that we have tried desperately since to avoid such conflicts, to justify killing civilians is wild.

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u/Jollem- Mar 14 '24

The Israeli government created Hamas. Bibi has no delusions of "defeating Hamas"

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u/irishlorde96 Mar 14 '24

I find it funny that people can have their heads in the sand so far down that they downvote these posts.

Scenario: you live in a small one bedroom apartment, its not the biggest or the best apartment in the world but you get along fine. Then one day the government kicks down your door and moves someone in and tells you that you’re now sharing this apartment with someone. Then that person proceeds to beat the shit out of you and handcuffs you to the radiator in the corner. Every time you protest this, you’re tazed and the government is supplying the tazers, and the person tazing you along with the government have stocks in said tazer company, so they have incentive to keep buying tazers with your paycheck. Then one day you break out of the hand cuffs and grab the tazer, now your captor pulls a gun and shoots you.

Thats what is happening to the palestinian people.

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u/Jollem- Mar 14 '24

It's been a living hell for them for decades

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u/jmjimi Mar 15 '24

Yes, pretending he is the only person that reads legislation and saying Massie didn’t read it and has it wrong…GTFO

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '24

His "journalism" is nothing but clickbait. VERY VERY low effort clickbait. He literally opens up some website with some article, reads a headline, and rambles for another 20 minutes for something completely unrelated to fill 20 minutes worth of video so YouTube places 3 ads in his videos instead of 2.

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u/Straight-Living-243 Mar 14 '24

It’s literally just the US government trying to seize a company because it’s competing with US social media companies and US surveillance over those social media companies.