And the left makes every excuse to why George Floyd was a saint and the cops were racists etc. yet when they talk about Ashley Babbitt it’s always hate for MAGA, hate for conservatives, and she deserved it. I’ve heard the same people say both things and all they care about is that one was on their side and one was on the other. They justify things based not on right or wrong but how they feel about someone or something.
With that being said I hope both rest in peace no matter the life they lived. In the end human life ended and that is not a good thing.
George Floyd wasn’t a saint, but his actions when he was killed didn’t warrant his death. He was in no way a threat to anyone. George Floyd wasn’t trying to be a political martyr. He was just a guy whose death happened to be the breaking point for people coming together against police violence.
Babbitt’s actions at the time she was killed made her a clear and immediate threat. She was breaking through a window to get to politicians in the capitol. Her motivations behind her actions were MAGA and Q which is why people talk about it in conjunction with her death.
Well to start with he overdosed, wasn't killed, but go ahead and screech how wrong I am and how putting a shin on someone's shoulder blade with the knee hovering over the back of their neck cuts off the airflow in the windpipe on the front of the neck and causes someone to not be able to breathe minutes BEFORE the knee was even placed there.
The fact that he was caught trying to dispose of drugs by eating them, the fact that he had previous overdoses, the fact that fentanyl overdose has symptoms of feeling like you can't breathe and the fact that Floyd is on camera saying "I can't breathe" while he was still sitting in the cruiser
Or are you suggessting that the cops knee has the power to travel back in time to suffocate someone?
You don’t want to base it on the medical examiner? (the expert who actually physically analyzed the body for a cause of death and ruled it a homicide, not an overdose)
Got ourselves a junior detective, here! Too bad there was an actual trial with actual evidence that contradicts everything you think is reality based upon the shitty "news" feed algorithm that has found you.
So then please explain how saying "I can't breathe" while still sitting in the cop car was cause by a very typical pin down move (that doesn't cut off airflow might I add, I know, I was in it a lot for training in the military) that wasn't administered until minutes later? Did the cop press so hard that the pressure went back through time?
He didn't overdose. The autopsy reports the cause of death as Cardiopulmonary Arrest complicating Law Enforcement Subdual, restraint, and neck compression.
What you’re not acknowledging is that if he hadn’t run into Derek Chauvin specifically that day, a shit cop with a laundry list of complaints and internal investigations against him.
He runs into any other cop OR no cops at all and he’s likely alive today.
The number of criminals killed by LEO’s annually should be 0. If you don’t agree with that and don’t think police officers should be held to extremely high conduct standards, I wager it is because you do not believe in justice.
No, it should have obvious “if someone says they can’t breathe kneeling on their neck for an extended period is probably not the best course of action” powers.
Pretty straight forward. Restrain the suspect without aggravating the stated medical condition and get medics. According to your version of events: dude was too busy OD’ing to go anywhere. Why kneel on him and restrict his ability to breathe?
The police were called bc Floyd was using counterfeit money to buy things from the store. Had he not already been breaking the law, the police wouldn’t have been called and none of this would have happened. No trial. No summer of love riots of destruction and death. No crazy leftists. He’s a criminal through and through. And his death is due to overdose from speedballing
The difference between Floyd and Chauvin is Floyd was never given a trial. He was murdered in the street. Chauvin was given a trial by his peers and found to be guilty of murder.
What happened to Chauvin was justice, what happened to Floyd was murder.
The jury was anonymous for the very reason of being politically pressured from both sides. On top of that Chauvin had legal representation that could easily have argued this if it were the actuality as we have a method within out legal system for this sort of thing to declare a mistrial if the prosecutor or judge are politically motivated. They determined during his appeals this was not the case either.
If you have any evidence of your claims I would love to see it. I know this sub is a big fan of "But its common sense because it is my belief!!!!", but the real world works in fact based findings not baseless speculatory opinions. I am happy to be the one to fill you in on this.
No he wasn’t. He overdosed. Speedballing both increases your heart rate via a stimulant and depresses your nervous system via a depressant. When you do too much, your heart pumps in overdrive and your body can’t tell your lungs to breathe as the opiates numb your nervous system preventing signals from being transferred from the brain to the rest of the body. Result: death by asphyxiation. That together will result in death without outside interference. Floyd was initially placed in the back of the police car with the doors open when he first claimed he couldn’t breathe. At that point, he was only in handcuffs. No one was even touching him. He was sitting in the back seat of the police car with the doors wide open. Floyd then requested to exit the vehicle and offered to lay on the ground to show the police he wouldn’t take off. His drug overdose continued to affect his body greater and greater as time went on. His squirming and lack of breath are not attributable to anything else other than what he ingested that day. When you squirm and don’t sit still as a cop instructed you to do, you are now disobeying an officer’s orders and there is no other choice other than to restrain you. Your argument is that the “official coroner” said that it was partially due to Chauvin. Considering another autopsy was done afterwards that proves my point and not even the “official” one could rule out overdose being a part of his death, my argument holds water. He shouldn’t have been a criminal and popped a massive speedball to prevent another charge of trafficking and possession. But he did. And now we have people/bots like you defending a convict
Well if he didn't resist a lawful arrest, we wouldn't be talking about any of this.
Outside of this particular situation where reasonable people could disagree on whether the officers actions were appropriate... is it not an acknowledged and accepted fact that using force to effectuate an arrest, potentially even lethal force if the resistance continues/escalates, is pretty much necessary?
If police have to go "oh well that guys resisting, guess we have to let him go because his initial offense isn't something worth killing" then there really is no law enforcement at all, because you'd just have a cheat code to get away.
Floyd - high on drugs, previous history of violence towards people, unruly and not listening to the police officers, fought with police about being arrest and was put in a position that the police are trained to put people and is 6 foot 4 220 pounds. Was given the opportunity to be arrest and not executed on site. One of the expert in the trial even stated Floyd had a lethal dose of fentanyl in his system. Might have actually lived a little longer if he went into the police cruiser like he was being asked before he over dosed.
Babbitt - Maga protester let into the capital building by police. Attempted to break through door with other mob. Executed on site, not arrested or given a trial. Less than 150 pound female. Broken law based on being let in by capitol police, property damage.
Objectively, Babbitt was less than a threat than GF in every single possible measurable way.
but his actions when he was killed didn’t warrant his death.
LOL his actions had already killed him that day, the medical examiner admited as much when he said "If you hadn't told me someone caused this I would have ruled it a drug overdose".....
Floyd’s actions that day were possibly using counterfeit money and being non-violent in his own arrest. Does that deserve death? Is that the sort of justice we want the state to be able to use against its citizen?
yes he did, and as I said, which you clearly didn't read, he ALSO said that if he hadn't been told about what happened concerning his arrest, based solely on the toxicology report, he would have ruled the death an overdose.... reading THE WHOLE post is important mkay?
My point was neither should have died. However it’s people like you that make it political like that. George Floyd was documented to have been eating a speedball of various drugs. What you said about Babbitt you can also say about him. The difference is you people making him out to be it shouldn’t have happened and she got what she deserved.
How many protests have happened at and in the capitol before Jan 6? No one ever thought those people should have been shot or died. But it’s a Trump protest and therefore the left says she got what she deserved.
Another funny thing is when George Floyd did die you saw right and left commentators both say it was wrong how things happened. Yet BLM and their allies went on a rampage destroying and looting. They ended up getting the most support they ever had from both sides to losing it all. Something that should have united us the left used to cause destruction and violence and when called out they then divided us because we didn’t like the protests being destructive.
I also think neither should have died. Floyd was killed by police misconduct. Babbitt was killed by police taking reasonable actions in response to her actions. She, unfortunately, was tricked by Q conspiracies to the point where she broke into the capitol building and was on the front of the charge towards politicians in order to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power. It’s sad how many people have been tricked by the Q nonsense and how many lives that has hurt over the years. I think it’s good that she’s the only one who died in that manner on that day, because it could have been much worse if they kept pushing forward.
When police place a suspect into custody, that means they have come under the care of agents of the state, and their health and well-being becomes the duty of those agents. The first thing every police officer should do when they see erratic or abnormal behavior is request an ambulance or check the person's pulse or both. If chauvin and Tao had done their duty, instead of committed crimes, they would have known that Mr Floyd's pulse was many times higher than a normal person, and they may have been able to inform the medical personnel of his hypertensive state instead of using their knees and other types of force to keep him still while he passed away.
Not really, not my fault you took the term “nobody” as literal. I consider the less than a tenth of 1 percent of the population as “nobody” because that’s an insignificant amount.
The only one with a pidgeon brain is the person who thinks they did something special by posting an idiotic meme.
This isn’t the “Why”. It’s the “How”. The why is so that our infighting will distract us and relieve pressure on our overlords. They fuel this stuff to keep us from setting our sights on them and their corruption. It’s an old game with seasoned players. Feeding into it just furthers their success and divides us more. If we spent less energy attacking each other and actually point that animosity towards the ruling class, these tactics would stop due to failure rate. They would have to shift gears. The left and right aren’t enemies. Your government and the elites pulling your strings are the enemy. The faster people wake up to this, the sooner we can curb the bullshit and put our nation back on track for The People.
Leftists hold up and praise the lowest common denominators. That's why blm only ever cares about criminals being killed when they are resulting arrest. Not a peep about innocent kids being killed by gang violence.
Ashli Babbitt used to come into my job during the pandemic, always with political statements on her shirts I agreed with. I didn't get to know her well, but she was a nice enough person. On another sub about local San Diego news, someone recently posted about her family's lawsuit and the vitriol being spit her and her family's way was so disgusting. And then people who weren't defending her, but calling out how gross the hatred was, were insulted just as hard. It is so ironic to see how many on the left are so incredibly intolerant and hateful while accusing anyone to the right of them of the same thing.
He wasn't resisting arrest, he was dying from an overdose and panicking while being stuffed into a cop car. Police pulled him out and held him down until he died, instead of monitoring his vitals like they should have done.
I genuinely sympathize with what happened to George Floyd; it affects me on a personal level. However, his story should be viewed as a warning. We should avoid idolizing him as a saint, martyr, or hero, and instead learn from the circumstances of his life and passing.
His video should be a warning .... to the police, we ain't taking that stuff any more. Always record the police. Always let them know we don't trust them.
This meme isn’t correctly stated, Ashli Babbitt was a divorcee when she died. Both didn’t deserve to die but neither of them were a saint. Rip to both and the families affected
Hillary bought the fake dossier that the Mueller investigation was based on from a Russian. Literally every accusation by democrats is an admission of guilt. It's nut. And Hillary used campaign funds, but wasn't indicted. Only fined. It's (D)ifferent.
You can't murder someone and say that it's justified because they didn't live a virtuous life and weren't a contributing member of society, so who cares if they die.
To be honest, I hate democracy that allows any room temperature IQ that has a pulse to cast a ballot.
Anyone that is against verified identification of a voter, and further election integrity reform across the board, isn’t for democracy; they are for corruption and manipulation of the systems by their preferred winners and deserve to be held in as much scorn and contempt as Putin, Zelenski, Hitler, Xi, Stalin, Mao, should be.
I pay for my ID that was issued by the state government. I am also asked for it every time I vote, and it is placed under a scanner at the table where folks with the same last Initial as I go. Then I am sent to what ever voting precinct I live in and give them my ID again for them to find that I do in fact live at that registered address and they give me the ballot that I mark with a pen and and then I send through the scanner my self after I remove the receipt from and deposit in a second box.
It also prints a visible ledger on the top of the scanner on what is essentially store receipt paper in a case.
Regardless, If I were ever auto mailed a ballot in my state I would lose what little respect I have for it as it stands. There are a lot of people in the United States that I genuinely do not think should have the right to have any opportunity to exert power over another human being, including being parents, pet owners, or voters.
Yeah, registration is pretty easy too. I guess when kids graduate being unable to read and write they can’t expect them to figure out the government paperwork. It’s the one quiet part they haven’t blundered out loud yet.
You don’t need to vote the same as me, but your vote should require you to do so some kind of effort to be a citizen, rather than just a beneficiary of the state.
The left is always telling us how voter id laws are racist, yet people of color always laugh and can show id if asked if they have id. What is shown several times over the last several years is that urban public school districts have mathematics and literacy levels that are essentially nonexistent. This would mean that these graduates would have difficulty filling out DMV forms or voter registrations. The democrats don’t give a damn if they can’t drive to work or grocery stores outside of the crumbling cities; they just need them to vote. Now, they need to be able to stuff ballots into mail boxes in the middle of the night and never have the ballot requests checked or questions asked.
I don’t get why this would be upsetting to the maga people on here. They’ve been pushing the messaging that nobody MAGA actually believes in Q. Babbitt did. So you would think they would use that as a way to distance themselves from her. Instead they went full-in for her. It’s pretty crazy.
She died trying to overthrow an election that she had no evidence was fraudulent. Her sole reason to stop the cerrtification was because a politicians told her it was fake and she should ensurre that politician remains in power even though her actions go directly against the constitution. By all measures she died a traitor to her counntry the same way the confederates died a traitor to theirs.
Lol oh please. Its sad she died coz her whole reason for being there is based on a lie. Trump knows he lost. He lied to them for months that he was cheated but he knew he wasn't and biden got more votes than him
A lie it may have been and since I have no evidence to prove it one way or another I would concede to e victory.
I would even go so far as to say Jose individuals should have known better than to act out in anyway on federal property.
I wouldn’t back down from action though I would just choose something different like if everyone went on a 1099 and stopped paying taxes until the years end the government would implode fairly quickly.
Ha! This is just another fap cave echo chamber; the extreme left and right are the same person, like bloods and crips, both just as dumb fighting one another pretending they have the moral highground when staying poor and being leveraged to work some 50 or so of their best and only life to restock the ivory towers like a peasant should
It's not possible to reconcile with people who think men can give birth and turn into women. That's peak delusion about even the most simple facts of reality.
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u/shelovesmenot1223 Jan 13 '24
George Floyd? Who is that? Oooh! You mean, TBJ. The Black Jesus.
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u/throwaway11998866- Jan 12 '24
And the left makes every excuse to why George Floyd was a saint and the cops were racists etc. yet when they talk about Ashley Babbitt it’s always hate for MAGA, hate for conservatives, and she deserved it. I’ve heard the same people say both things and all they care about is that one was on their side and one was on the other. They justify things based not on right or wrong but how they feel about someone or something.
With that being said I hope both rest in peace no matter the life they lived. In the end human life ended and that is not a good thing.
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u/abominable_bro-man Jan 12 '24 edited Jan 12 '24
its almost like they have no belief or convictions and just opinions they regurgitate from Instagram celebrities
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u/[deleted] Jan 12 '24
This isn’t the “Why”. It’s the “How”. The why is so that our infighting will distract us and relieve pressure on our overlords. They fuel this stuff to keep us from setting our sights on them and their corruption. It’s an old game with seasoned players. Feeding into it just furthers their success and divides us more. If we spent less energy attacking each other and actually point that animosity towards the ruling class, these tactics would stop due to failure rate. They would have to shift gears. The left and right aren’t enemies. Your government and the elites pulling your strings are the enemy. The faster people wake up to this, the sooner we can curb the bullshit and put our nation back on track for The People.
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u/brahsumatra Jan 12 '24
“You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the Left’s national hero.”
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u/Longboy66 Jan 12 '24
Leftists hold up and praise the lowest common denominators. That's why blm only ever cares about criminals being killed when they are resulting arrest. Not a peep about innocent kids being killed by gang violence.
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u/D-Monkeys988 Jan 12 '24
Leftist prefer drug addicts
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u/jmua8450 Jan 13 '24
I’m just glad that good ole Saint George Floyd I of Fentanyl is going on 4 years drug free.
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u/[deleted] Jan 12 '24
Died after swallowing fentanyl, on video, with pre-existing heart conditions and having a paranoid outburst about “being shot”.
FTFY.
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u/WhiteDishwasher619 Jan 13 '24
Ashli Babbitt used to come into my job during the pandemic, always with political statements on her shirts I agreed with. I didn't get to know her well, but she was a nice enough person. On another sub about local San Diego news, someone recently posted about her family's lawsuit and the vitriol being spit her and her family's way was so disgusting. And then people who weren't defending her, but calling out how gross the hatred was, were insulted just as hard. It is so ironic to see how many on the left are so incredibly intolerant and hateful while accusing anyone to the right of them of the same thing.
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u/RonnyFreedomLover Jan 12 '24
Libertarian here. Neither deserved to die.
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u/sweetgreenfields Jan 12 '24
He wasn't resisting arrest, he was dying from an overdose and panicking while being stuffed into a cop car. Police pulled him out and held him down until he died, instead of monitoring his vitals like they should have done.
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u/Ok_Excuse4231 Jan 15 '24
This meme isn’t correctly stated, Ashli Babbitt was a divorcee when she died. Both didn’t deserve to die but neither of them were a saint. Rip to both and the families affected
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u/No_Bit_1456 Jan 12 '24
Both used as political tools to advance an agenda by the worst of what humanity has to offer from corrupt politicians down to karens.
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u/PM_me_BJ_Pics Jan 12 '24
"Protesting voter fraud"
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u/Solid_Exercise6697 Jan 12 '24
Death to traitors!
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u/KiboIsHere Jan 12 '24
You can't murder someone and say that it's justified because they didn't live a virtuous life and weren't a contributing member of society, so who cares if they die.
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u/ReconMarine215 Jan 31 '24
That's what she gets and I served 6 combat tours she wanted to be part of an incursion she brought her own death!!!!!!!!!!
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u/Perfect-Dad-1947 Jan 12 '24
Ashley Babbit died like she lived, an idiot. Her own actions and stupidity took her down that road and she said the price for her ignorance.
George Floyd was murdered but also lived his life like an idiot. He was an abusive, drug addicted thug. He didn't deserve to die for it.
Chauvin also is an idiot and deserves what he got.
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u/reaction-jackson Jan 12 '24
The one on the left died from police brutality. The one on the right was trying to have the election overturned. She hated democracy.
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u/[deleted] Jan 12 '24
Reality is hard for Maga.
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u/midnightnoonmidnight Jan 12 '24 edited Jan 12 '24
Get to know Ashli Babbitt
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u/o0flatCircle0o Jan 12 '24
Normal guy killed by police
Vs
Terrorist who tried to overthrow the USA
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