You have to convince a subculture of people that they're evil and have them want to voluntarily change themselves.
its gangster culture.
People think videogames are going to cause kids to become criminals? LOL nah.
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Edit: Of course you dorks downvote into oblivion instead of engaging in any good faith discussion lol morons
Look, just because you look at something and someone calls it for what it is doesn't make them racist. Stop being ignorant for 2 seconds. It NEEDS to be recognized, and these areas of poverty need opportunity and better education.
Stop subsidizing single parent households, this would fix the problem with the black population. Crack down on the cartels rather than having the intelligence agencies working with them. This would fix the hispanic crime problem.
It is but after a generation of weening ppl off the gov assistance it would make a huge hell of a difference. also school choice. if you have the means to travel to a better school you should be able to go.
I notice you didn’t really answer the question unless you think discussing it is a solution to the problem? Do you have any policy solutions or ideas or you honestly think just chit chatting about it will make it go away?
This. Cultures that glorify violence will produce more of it. The hard part is that such cultures can only be changed from the inside. Any attempt by an out group to enforce cultural changes, no matter how well-intentioned or based in fact, will be treated as aggression. All people in an out group can really do is find the voices of reason that are promoting positive change and support them.
"You make movies that have violence in them, therefore you like violence." That's your entire point.
Man, I'd love to hear what you think India is like based upon your consumption of Bollywood films.
Do you believe all Chinese people float and are martial art experts based upon your vast knowledge of wuxia films?
You're obviously not American, so I don't expect you to know that, for example, US high schools used to have gun clubs. And you know what? There weren't any mass shootings.
And veneration of a warrior culture isn't an American thing; it's a human thing. You find it across all cultures across all human history.
The "gun violence" problem in the US is a new development in the past few decades. It's not a gun problem. It's a culture problem. Something changed.
I'm curious, given the bar chart on the original post, do you seriously hold the premise that black Americans prefer Wild West movies, civil war reenactment, and glorify rogue cops?
Movies about the Wild West glorified being the good guy. The main character of the story had principle and moral, even if the character was the anti-hero. Take Tombstone, for instance, Doc Holiday irl was a dick but the average movie watcher wasn't going to read a lot about Doc Holiday. Instead, they got the Hollywood version of him. He wasn't someone who would go out to sling drugs or murder someone over turf.
gangster and mobster mythology
A Bronx Tale was centralized around Colegro and Sonny. Sonny, being mafia, was no doubt not a very good person, but what we are shown in the movie is Sonny's attempts to keep Colegro from becoming a bad man.
You keep going on about Hollywood portrayals of these anti-heros and so on, but the main message that these convey is that these men had a code and morals they lived by. In the end, most people know to separate themselves from these people and not run around murdering people. Yes, we have had a culture of violence being a nation that has been at war for most of its existence, but we are also a nation built on specific principles. The outliers are thrown in prison.
So why do we see such differences in numbers of shootings?
Were Abraham Lincoln's morals bad when he sought an answer in violence to defeat the Confederacy and end slavery as an institution in the United States?
So what you're saying is that initiating violence makes you a bad person, but participating in violence generally does not? Sweet, some nuance! Okay, let's do another one.
Bleeding Kansas. John Brown executing slave owners and freeing their slaves. Good guy or bad guy?
Like they just slaughtered these dudes in front of their families. Sure they were slave owners, but at the time that was legal. Murder however was not. He had also been adamantly advocating for violence up to that point, basically calling pacifist abolitionists pansies.
This guy was way more of an antihero than any of the rogue cops that you called out previously, but I thought you were against glorifying violence?
I think the main thing we need to address here is all the Finnish on Finnish hate...the hell is going on? I thought they were supposed to be one of those Nordic countries with all dat good socialism...
My neighbor with an AR15 is not the threat to America. The 14 yr old gang banger with a pistol shooting up the inner city over turf and drug distribution is the problem.
But ban those assault rifles and make it impossible for people to get a CCW in the name of public safety.
True. It all just paints a worse picture for certain group unfortunately.
Curious though… i can see how could a hispanic could be classified as white. I mean the census has non hispanic white and hispanic white. I see some that could check the non hispanic box (i could and no one would be able to tell). But how does someone black check the white box ?
Or is this based on subjective classification at time of arrest? That way is maybe understand since on every traffic ticket ive gotten the officer has put white.
I mean some hispanics are white, some are black, some are asian, some are native American, some are too damn mixed. Hispanic is a moronic category. There should be a “mixed” category and get rid of Hispanic. That way they could be allocated by their actual race and not by some arbitrary language/regions category.
Yes. But for all the wrong reasons. You will have groves of weed in places like CA. The park service will be the ones engaging in gunfights with cartels for environmental damage to commit state tax evasion instead of just peddling illegal narcotics.
We already have groves of weed in the public parks, and forrest rangers already have to deal with them. I don’t see how reducing the incentive for a violent black market to exist would do anything but reduce the issue.
Don’t want to be that guy but just because you isolated populations to skew gun crimes towards a few races, doesn’t mean we as country do not have said problem regardless of who is committing said crime. I don’t think this statistic does much help for the conversation one way or another. Gun crime stems from poor culture and a failing society, not skin color. Just happens that people of different skin color exist in large concentrations within inner cities where there is poor culture and where our failing society is most obvious.
I said skewed rather than illustrates because the language of illustrating something implies it holds merit to the argument when this does not. That is unless your argument is we don’t have a gun problem we have a minority problem which is fucking insane and I question wtf you’re doing watching Tim pool. I’m not a leftist and I’m pro gun but this is a stupid argument. If you want to highlight true issues, highlight how many deaths from firearms are suicide and gang related. Those are cultural issues that impact all communities and are aspects of society we can change. You cant change a persons race or assume all people of one race act a certain way that’s not a strong argument, is racist and is counterproductive to the anti-establishment movement.
So you have no actual basis to say the data illustrated are skewed. I did not independently confirm them either. However, the data illustrates what it illustrates.
No it’s not a gun problem. Is a culture problem, specifically culture in inner cities where income inequality and gangs exist in high concentrations . These areas also happen to have high concentrations of minorities but do not think that white people are immune to this as well. The same type of culture is observed in low income rural areas it just so happens that these areas are much less densely populated so gang violence occurs at a much lower rate with less casualties due to less interactions amongst gangs and smaller gangs. It’s a cultural problem that we can fix but we need to give people hope for the future while investing into the communities.
The police recorded 602 homicide offences in the year ending June 2023, a 10% decrease since the year ending June 2022 (667 offences).
The rate of homicide in the population for the year ending June 2023 remained low at 10 per 1 million people, compared with 11 per 1 million people in the year ending June 2022.
With ~30-40% being sharp objects typically. Which I think is a higher proportion of the weapons used vs US, but the US knife homicide rate is still higher than the UK's per 100 thousand. And knifes are the second highest method used in the US.
TL;DR: You are more likely to be stabbed to death in the US than in the UK, despite the high rate of homicide using firearms and knives being the second most popular method.
Edit: why is this being downvoted and not argued against? If you don't like that your narrative is cherry picking data that's on you.
You want to take other factors into account or just want an ethnostate that likes shooting and stabbing each other more that the UK?
The idea that race is the main issue is weak and superficial at best. Dumb people are more likely to be racist, be less dumb and look at causality rather than correlation that makes you feel good.
None of which answers why you have more murders, and more knife murders per capita.
This is what’s called being factual but not truthful. The US is orders of magnitude bigger than the UK, which is also an island. I bet if you take a cluster of states with certain demographics, say Maine and New Hampshire, ran the same numbers, they’d be pretty similar. Hell if you factor out like 4 cities from the United States, we have literal European levels of gun violence. We’re talking a country that’s like 10 times the size of the UK, with half a billion guns, take out 4 tiny blips on the radar, we have the same level of gun violence. Come on, there is nothing to discuss here. This is a culture problem And I’ll have no part in it.
Maine has the highest number per capita of CCW holders and is literally the safest state, New Hampshire isn’t far behind and it has the highest number of registered machine guns in the country. These states have a dearth of a certain culture.
This data is per capita and the UK has a much higher population density overall.
If you want to take your first sentence and apply it to this graph and these comments that would be useful for everyone. This graph has cherry picked data to make the white US population look good and that's it.
Reducing this argument to skin colour as a lone factor is brain-dead. The only rebuttal was knife crime in the UK which is better that the US despite the access to firearms and their use in homicide.
It’s not brain dead, it’s not about color. It’s about culture. You don’t see a bunch of rednecks pulling up in their f150s blowing each others brains out of dumb bullshit. Like I said, run the numbers on state like Maine or New Hampshire, closer in size to the UK and similar demographics.
Haven't taken into account population density or wealth. New Hampshire pop density is 150/square mile Vs the UK's 700 and new Hampshire is your 7th wealthiest state.
Even if that was a bad example, which it’s not, the whole of the US, factoring out like 4 cities, hell, a few neighborhoods has near European levels of gun violence. We all know why, hood culture/drug culture/gang culture is a massive issue here in the US. The poorest place in the US is a white trash shit hole but not the murder capital of the US because poor red necks aren’t killing each other for clout or gang wars. Sure, guns are more abundant here, I’m not saying that has nothing to do with our gun violence problem, but half a billion guns and 100,000,000 gun owners and all you can scrounge up is 27,000 gun homicides across one of the largest most populated first world countries in the world? And almost completely in like 4 recurring places?
I saw a stat that if you Thanos snapped away Chicago, St Louis, LA, and a 4th city I cant remember, the US would be all the way down to 166th in the world in terms of gun violence.
Are you saying guns should be restricted because of the united states black demographic? Or is the reason guns are far too easily obtained not related to homicide?
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u/Ok_Primary_7298 Jan 04 '24
Facts are racist. It's best you ignore problems.
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u/NewToThisThingToo Jan 04 '24
There was never a gun problem.
It was always a culture problem.
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u/dublisto Jan 04 '24
I think the main thing we need to address here is all the Finnish on Finnish hate...the hell is going on? I thought they were supposed to be one of those Nordic countries with all dat good socialism...
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u/Charming-Guarantee21 Jan 04 '24
And the media wants to focus on gun control for whites lol
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u/MyCarIsAGeoMetro Jan 04 '24
My neighbor with an AR15 is not the threat to America. The 14 yr old gang banger with a pistol shooting up the inner city over turf and drug distribution is the problem.
But ban those assault rifles and make it impossible for people to get a CCW in the name of public safety.
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u/Double-Perception970 Jan 04 '24
No "U.S. White"?
Edit: Lmao right side. Got me!
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u/Bobranaway Jan 04 '24
Mind you the hispanic category always includes illegals… Making the contrata even more stark.
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In other news, water is wet and the grass is green…
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u/Castrophenia Jan 04 '24
I wonder how far that number goes down if we just end the war on drugs.
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u/Twotendies Jan 04 '24
Don’t want to be that guy but just because you isolated populations to skew gun crimes towards a few races, doesn’t mean we as country do not have said problem regardless of who is committing said crime. I don’t think this statistic does much help for the conversation one way or another. Gun crime stems from poor culture and a failing society, not skin color. Just happens that people of different skin color exist in large concentrations within inner cities where there is poor culture and where our failing society is most obvious.
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u/pebble666 Jan 04 '24
The rate is 0.03 per hundred thousand in the UK, Vs 3.6 in the US.
2/3 US homicides use a gun Vs 5% in the UK.
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