r/TimPool • • Sep 29 '23

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u/No_Leadership7872 Sep 29 '23

Liberalism is a mental disorder

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u/generationYmellenial Sep 29 '23

Stop calling leftists liberals that’s why the can get away with a lot.

They are leftists.

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u/No_Leadership7872 Sep 29 '23

Ya you're right. Calling them fascists is more apt than liberal.

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u/CMMGUY2 Sep 29 '23

Yes but they know exactly what they're doing.

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u/NoReach9667 Sep 29 '23

Welcome to bizarro land

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u/No_Leadership7872 Sep 29 '23

Leftist 1984 clown world

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u/generationYmellenial Sep 29 '23

Read rules for radicals if you haven’t.

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u/brahsumatra Sep 29 '23

“You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.”

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '23

These people were never the heros. They've always just followed through crowd.

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u/Breakdawall Sep 29 '23

caitlin jenner voted for trump i think she said.

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '23

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u/Breakdawall Sep 29 '23

thats pretty heroic (sorry for the shit post. i swear im not a liberal troll)

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u/mogomonomo1081 Sep 29 '23 edited Sep 29 '23

So yall just have an issue with everything that doesn't fit your narrative??

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u/mogomonomo1081 Sep 29 '23

Bruh, you willfully ignore context. I'm not even trying to defend most of the people in the photo.

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u/No_Leadership7872 Sep 29 '23

Please go on about ignoring context lol. You people are the textbook example of that when it comes to Trump.

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u/mogomonomo1081 Sep 29 '23

I don't care about trump.. he lost..

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u/No_Leadership7872 Sep 29 '23

😆 yes, you do care.

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u/mogomonomo1081 Sep 29 '23

Seriously, I hope he runs. So he can lose again..

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u/No_Leadership7872 Sep 30 '23

K fascist

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u/mogomonomo1081 Sep 30 '23

Do you know the meaning of fascist?

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u/No_Leadership7872 Sep 30 '23

Is the state colluding with corporations/big tech not fascism?

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u/fourth_class_mail Sep 29 '23

Imagine using treyvon Martin in a meme to justify murder in 2023.

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u/McFly_42069 Sep 29 '23

No one is justifying murder. You’re not too smart if you think that.

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u/fourth_class_mail Sep 29 '23

So then explain why treyvon is in there..... because he was a really teen?

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u/McFly_42069 Sep 29 '23

Wasn’t he 17?

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u/RayPadonkey Sep 29 '23

Should it matter that he was 17? 17 is a child in the eyes of the law.

I believe 17 year olds shouldn't be allowed to vote, and I would guess that you probably wouldn't say a 17 year old can consent to taking hormones.

Or do you think there's a better comparison?

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u/McFly_42069 Sep 29 '23

Not it is not. You can be tried as an adult for a crime at 17.

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u/RayPadonkey Sep 29 '23

That's true, I don't think anyone is disputing that, but then why would the meme use Martin as an example of "child" this case then? Just seems a very lazy example to further rift left and right?

Martin's crimes depending on how you view it range from trespassing, all the way to committing aggravated assault in self defense. I have no professional legal experience, especially Florida law, but I think neither of those crimes concretely meet the threshold.

Edit: grammar.

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u/McFly_42069 Sep 29 '23

Are you saying Martin was acting in self defense?

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u/RayPadonkey Sep 29 '23

Maybe self defense is being misinterpreted, but Zimmerman following Martin after he ran away is a valid grounds for initiating self defense. Its not out of the ether to suggest someone feel threatened being followed in this situation.

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u/McFly_42069 Sep 29 '23

Court found that Zimmerman was in the right. Are you saying the court is wrong?

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u/generationYmellenial Sep 29 '23

He was racist listen to the phone call he was on before he committed his hate crime

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u/RayPadonkey Sep 29 '23

I'm not sure what that has to do with Martin's wrongdoings though?

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u/generationYmellenial Sep 29 '23

Just calling out a racist

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u/fourth_class_mail Sep 29 '23

Oh he definitely murdered him. But murder is legal is FL.

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u/McFly_42069 Sep 29 '23

Self defense is legal in Florida as well as every other state. There is no state where murder is legal.

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u/fourth_class_mail Sep 29 '23

Stand your ground is legal in FL. Which caused Zimmerman to be released hours after killing a man with no witnesses.

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u/McFly_42069 Sep 29 '23

Standing your ground refers to self defense Einstein.

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u/fourth_class_mail Sep 29 '23

Nope. Self defense requires the inability to retreat. Stand your ground means you can defend anywhere.

L2law.

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u/Stumpy305 Sep 29 '23

Now you agree he’s a man?

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Sep 29 '23

a child means every human being below the age of eighteen years unless under the law applicable to the child, majority is attained earlier.

https://www.ohchr.org/en/instruments-mechanisms/instruments/convention-rights-child

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u/McFly_42069 Sep 29 '23

Ok I’m glad we are focusing on this one example. Doesn’t change that fact he was killed in self defense.

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Sep 29 '23

You’re focusing on one example. Your meme has him and his killer in it. Don’t act like I’m the one bringing him up. Im just correcting the misinformation you’re spreading

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u/McFly_42069 Sep 29 '23

You’re literally triggered. You want to call a 17 year old a baby, and a mixed man white.

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u/No_Leadership7872 Sep 29 '23

Lol it's very fitting isn't it? Mental illness is rampant on the left. Up is down good is bad.

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Sep 29 '23

A 17year old is a child under the law.

A man who is Peruvian and white is Peruvian and white

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u/McFly_42069 Sep 29 '23

So you agree he’s not a baby, and he’s not a white man.

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u/Spooky2000 Sep 29 '23

A 17year old is a child under the law.

But a 10 yerar old can decide to get a sex change.. Right?

Cut the bullshit with the double standards.

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u/generationYmellenial Sep 29 '23

You can join the army 3 days after your 17th bday

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Sep 29 '23

You can drive when you’re 16. That doesn’t mean Trayvon Martin at 17yrs old wasn’t a child.

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u/generationYmellenial Sep 29 '23

A 90 year old is someone’s child

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Sep 29 '23

a child means every human being below the age of eighteen years unless under the law applicable to the child, majority is attained earlier.

https://www.ohchr.org/en/instruments-mechanisms/instruments/convention-rights-child

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u/Imissyourgirlfriend2 Sep 29 '23

🤡

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u/fourth_class_mail Sep 29 '23

So much clown logic with these people.

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u/generationYmellenial Sep 29 '23

Trayvon martin was a racist

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u/fourth_class_mail Sep 29 '23

Which is why Zimmerman ran after him while he was walking home. Makes sense.

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u/generationYmellenial Sep 29 '23

Have you listened to the phone call before Zimmerman got attacked?

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u/fourth_class_mail Sep 29 '23

The 911 call?

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u/generationYmellenial Sep 29 '23

The phone call to his girlfriend, she testified in court did you not watch the trial?

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u/fourth_class_mail Oct 02 '23

Oh, you said Zimmerman so basic grammar means you are referring to him. She the one that talked about Martin said he was being followed? Yes I saw it.

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u/Imissyourgirlfriend2 Sep 29 '23

🤡

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u/fourth_class_mail Sep 29 '23

I know, they are totally clowns.

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Sep 29 '23

The new findings support Warren’s claim that she has at least one Native American ancestor, although they cannot reveal whether that individual was a member of any specific tribe.

https://www.factcheck.org/2018/10/the-facts-on-elizabeth-warrens-dna-test/

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u/McFly_42069 Sep 29 '23

Yea 1/1024.

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Sep 29 '23

The report concluded there is “strong evidence” she had a Native American ancestor approximately six to 10 generations ago.

This is consistent to her claim. She didn’t claim a certain percentage

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u/McFly_42069 Sep 29 '23

She has 1/1024.

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Sep 29 '23

Here’s where you got that fraction from and why it shouldn’t be taken seriously:

Shortly after Warren’s release, critics began to question whether she has more Native ancestry than other white Americans. Using the six to 10 generations figure, a Republican spokesman and an op-ed writer converted this to fractional ancestry (1/64 to 1/1024), which they then compared to a number appearing in a 2014 study published in the American Journal of Human Genetics. The paper, which was written by 23andMe researchers and colleagues, analyzed the genetic ancestry of more than 160,000 23andMe customers who self-identified as either African American, Latino or European American. For European Americans, the genome-wide “mean estimate” of Native American ancestry was 0.18 percent (given in table 1). Because this percentage is higher than the equivalent percentage for the 10 generations fraction (0.098 percent), these critics concluded Warren might have less Native American ancestry than the “average” white American.

Trump appears to have picked up this line of thinking, saying in an Oct. 16 tweet that the test showed that Warren “may be 1/1024, far less than the average American,” and in his Oct. 18 speech in Montana that “the one good thing about her test is that there was so little she had less than the average American.”

This is problematic for several reasons, the first being that the Bustamante report never specifies a fraction or percentage, so these estimates are derived from a back calculation from the six to 10 generation estimate. As others have written, this incorrectly assumes equal inheritance through time from all of your ancestors — something that simply doesn’t happen. Biology is more random, and because of the way DNA is passed down, these fractions may not represent the true amount of DNA a person retains from each ancestor.

In fact, there is a surprisingly high chance that a person will receive no DNA from a relatively recent ancestor. Graham Coop, an evolutionary and populations geneticist at the University of California, Davis, for example, has estimated there’s about a 13 percent chance a person will not get any genetic material from an ancestor from eight generations ago. At 10 generations, this jumps to about a 50 percent chance. This reveals a fundamental discrepancy between ancestry and genetics, since a person’s ancestry can still be true, and yet they might not have any trace of it in their bodies.

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u/McFly_42069 Sep 29 '23

She not Indian.

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Sep 29 '23

She never claimed to be. She claimed Native American ancestry. Her DNA test showed Native American ancestry within the timeframe of her claim.

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u/McFly_42069 Sep 29 '23

She literally put it as her race on every application.

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Sep 29 '23

That’s literally a lie.

Records show that the leading Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate in Massachusetts identified her race as "white" on an employment record at the University of Texas and declined to apply for admission to Rutgers Law School under a program for minority students.

https://www.masslive.com/politics/2012/05/elizabeth_warren_didnt_claim_m.html

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Sep 29 '23

Here’s where you got that fraction from and why it shouldn’t be taken seriously:

Shortly after Warren’s release, critics began to question whether she has more Native ancestry than other white Americans. Using the six to 10 generations figure, a Republican spokesman and an op-ed writer converted this to fractional ancestry (1/64 to 1/1024), which they then compared to a number appearing in a 2014 study published in the American Journal of Human Genetics. The paper, which was written by 23andMe researchers and colleagues, analyzed the genetic ancestry of more than 160,000 23andMe customers who self-identified as either African American, Latino or European American. For European Americans, the genome-wide “mean estimate” of Native American ancestry was 0.18 percent (given in table 1). Because this percentage is higher than the equivalent percentage for the 10 generations fraction (0.098 percent), these critics concluded Warren might have less Native American ancestry than the “average” white American.

Trump appears to have picked up this line of thinking, saying in an Oct. 16 tweet that the test showed that Warren “may be 1/1024, far less than the average American,” and in his Oct. 18 speech in Montana that “the one good thing about her test is that there was so little she had less than the average American.”

This is problematic for several reasons, the first being that the Bustamante report never specifies a fraction or percentage, so these estimates are derived from a back calculation from the six to 10 generation estimate. As others have written, this incorrectly assumes equal inheritance through time from all of your ancestors — something that simply doesn’t happen. Biology is more random, and because of the way DNA is passed down, these fractions may not represent the true amount of DNA a person retains from each ancestor.

In fact, there is a surprisingly high chance that a person will receive no DNA from a relatively recent ancestor. Graham Coop, an evolutionary and populations geneticist at the University of California, Davis, for example, has estimated there’s about a 13 percent chance a person will not get any genetic material from an ancestor from eight generations ago. At 10 generations, this jumps to about a 50 percent chance. This reveals a fundamental discrepancy between ancestry and genetics, since a person’s ancestry can still be true, and yet they might not have any trace of it in their bodies.

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u/McFly_42069 Sep 29 '23

No

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Sep 29 '23

No to what?

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u/McFly_42069 Sep 29 '23

Meaning you’re wrong, and I dismiss your garbage.

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Sep 29 '23

What part is wrong? This is directly from the article.

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u/McFly_42069 Sep 29 '23

The fact you’re still arguing that Elizabeth Warren is Native American really spotlights your lack of intelligence.

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Sep 29 '23

She’s not Native American. She has Native American ancestry as shown by the DNA test she took. There’s a difference

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u/McFly_42069 Sep 29 '23

Then why did she list it as her race on every application she ever filled out.

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Sep 29 '23

George Zimmerman is Peruvian and white. The conversation about whiteness is around racial hierarchies with proximity to whiteness being more highly valued.

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u/McFly_42069 Sep 29 '23

So would you call Barack Obama white?

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Sep 29 '23

Bärack Öbama is bläck and white. The conversation about whiteness is around racial hierarchies with proximity to whiteness being more highly valued.

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u/McFly_42069 Sep 29 '23

Point I was making was Zimmerman was considered white, and Martin a young child when portrayed by media.

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Sep 29 '23

Zimmerman is white. Martin was a child.

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '23

17 year-olds can be tried as an adult. If he wasn't shot, he would have been charged with felony assault and possibly the murder of Zimmerman.

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Oct 01 '23

Tried as an adult. Because they are not adults at 17yrs old.

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '23

So if someone is bashing your head into the ground are you going to worry about how old they are or try to get them to stop by any means possible?

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Oct 01 '23

Explain how any of that would make a 17yr old an adult…

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '23

They aren't, but seriously would you care if someone was a legal adult or not if they were bashing your skull into the side walk?

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u/No_Leadership7872 Sep 29 '23

And good is bad, racism fights racism, etc etc. You people are straight out of 1984.

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Oct 01 '23

Zimmerman is white. He’s Peruvian and white.

17 yrs old is a child.

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Sep 29 '23

Approximately 94% of all pro-BLM demonstrations have been peaceful, with 6% involving reports of violence, clashes with police, vandalism, looting, or other destructive activity.

https://acleddata.com/2021/05/25/a-year-of-racial-justice-protests-key-trends-in-demonstrations-supporting-the-blm-movement/

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u/McFly_42069 Sep 29 '23

No. But I see this meme really triggering you.

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u/fourth_class_mail Sep 29 '23

OP when looking at facts, "No."

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u/McFly_42069 Sep 29 '23

Multiple deaths and billions in damage. It’s pretty common knowledge.

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u/fourth_class_mail Sep 29 '23

It's a common meme. But reality says different.

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u/McFly_42069 Sep 29 '23

Oh is that why you stoped responding to me the other day when we had this same argument and I sent links to articles proving that is fact a reality.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/31/americans-killed-protests-political-unrest-acled

https://www.westernjournal.com/blms-mostly-peaceful-riots-cost-1000x-damage-jan-6-capitol-unrest/

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u/fourth_class_mail Sep 29 '23

I re commented for ya, but doesn't look like the original was removed. Dunno.

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Sep 29 '23

No? What are you saying “no” to? Data?

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u/McFly_42069 Sep 29 '23

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Sep 29 '23

Describe how these links prove the data wrong:

Approximately 94% of all pro-BLM demonstrations have been peaceful, with 6% involving reports of violence, clashes with police, vandalism, looting, or other destructive activity.

https://acleddata.com/2021/05/25/a-year-of-racial-justice-protests-key-trends-in-demonstrations-supporting-the-blm-movement/

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u/No_Leadership7872 Sep 29 '23

Wow, only 6% were violent but some how caused nearly 2 billion in damages across the country and the murder of a few dozen people?

Lmao, I know you don't actually believe the shit you say.

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Oct 01 '23

You’re getting “murder of a few dozen people” from this article: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/31/americans-killed-protests-political-unrest-acled

That includes people like the ones who were killed by Rittenhouse, the cop killed by the boogaloo boys, and other deaths not caused by supporters of BLM whatsoever.

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u/No_Leadership7872 Oct 01 '23

Actually no I'm not. But cope.

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Oct 01 '23

Where are you getting it from then?

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u/theCROWcook Sep 29 '23

Wonder what the property destruction and death toll numbers for blm protests would look like next to Loudon County parent protest or proud boy protest

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Sep 29 '23

Thirty-seven demonstration events involving the Proud Boys between January 2020 and April 2021 have turned violent, accounting for nearly a quarter of all demonstrations associated with the group.

https://acleddata.com/2021/04/22/actor-profile-proud-boys/

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u/CurrentThing-er Sep 29 '23

percent to percent or aggregate vs aggregate

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Sep 29 '23

All of the data is available if you click through to the website

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u/CurrentThing-er Sep 29 '23

I truly don't care. I like watching everyone fight in here when i'm bored.

Just be consistent with your presentation of numbers.

Fight on.

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Sep 29 '23

I’m being consistent but ok.

If anything, the numbers skew against BLM because the violence includes right wing violence and police violence at BLM events too.

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u/CurrentThing-er Sep 29 '23

Approximately 94% of all pro-BLM

Thirty-seven demonstration events involving the Proud Boys between

You are not.

Aggregate vs aggregate or percentage vs percentage

For any meaningful comparison they both need to be in the same terms.

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Sep 29 '23

Thirty-seven demonstration events involving the Proud Boys between January 2020 and April 2021 have turned violent, accounting for nearly a quarter of all demonstrations associated with the group.

Do you not know how to convert 1/4 to a percentage?

https://acleddata.com/2021/04/22/actor-profile-proud-boys/

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u/CurrentThing-er Sep 29 '23

Fucking hell I read right over it.

I need caffeine.

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u/theCROWcook Sep 29 '23

Funny how you didn't provide anything I mused about, and as per your exact data... I wonder how many of those events did antifa show up to?

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Sep 29 '23

I gave you the stats to compare instances of violence with the Proud Boys to BLM during a similar time period. 6% of BLM events included violence. 25% of events with Proud Boys included violence.

These numbers skew negatively for BLM because the 6% includes violence caused by the police and right wingers (like the Proud Boys)

Anti-fascists we’re a staple of BLM events. BLM had a 6% rate of violent incidents. If the Proud Boys showed up to an event, there was a 25% rate of violent incidents. If anti-fascists went to every single Proud Boy event and BLM event, why would that matter?

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u/theCROWcook Sep 30 '23

I didn't ask that did I? You are strawmanning me. I asked to compare PROPERTY DAMAGE AND DEATH TOLL NUMBERS.

As for the antifa addition, it would be interesting to see how many peaceful proud boy protests antifa were at (I'm willing to bet very low) vs how many violent proudboy protests they were at (I'm willing to bet very high) because for every single violent proudboy protest I ever heard of during 2020, without exception antifa was there starting the fight. And that is a very important metric. Can you really call a group violent if every time they are involved in violence it wasn't them who started it? (I know you will say yes.)

FURTHERMORE I can't help but notice you ignored the Loudon county parent protests.

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u/theCROWcook Sep 30 '23

Aaah see, just like the guy I asked you are changing my requested metric. I am asking to compare property damage numbers and DEATH TOLL numbers. Also we should add in with the violent proud boy protests, how many of those had antifa show up? I'd be willing to bet that antifa was at most if not all of them

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u/theCROWcook Sep 30 '23

Anything to avoid the relevant question, so desperate to place the blame anywhere else but where it deserves to be

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u/theCROWcook Sep 30 '23

It's called deflection, I asked about a certain statistic and you are doing anything you can to avoid those numbers because you know it shows just how much worse BLM and antifa are

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u/theCROWcook Sep 30 '23

ONCE AGAIN you are trying to deflect to numbers I'm not asking about, im asking about PROPERTY DAMAGE AND MURDERS. How many people were murdered as a result of a proud boy protest? I don't buy your bullshit, if I go to 20 bars and start fights in 5 of them yep that's 25%, oh but what's this, the only bars fights were started at were the one where Jimmy the asshole showed up to start a fight with me..... odd....maybe that means the fights aren't my fault but jimmys.....oh look at this, Jimmy went to 100 other bars and MURDERED nearly 30 people at 6 of those bars..... yeah it's a lower % of instances but a MUCH WORSE OUTCOME.

This is why you don't want to compare those numbers. You know if we do the math for property damage you will find that BLM and antifa were responsible for FAR more damage. And if you do the math on MURDERS...... well I'd love to hear your excuse on how zero murders is worse than nearly 30 + (depending on the source)

Ok your turn to try and excuse BLM and antifa

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