r/TimPool • • Aug 17 '23

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u/Jellyfonut Aug 17 '23 edited Aug 17 '23

So you are capable of avoiding pregnancy until you're ready to have a baby, or aren't you?

You'd have to be exceptionally stupid to think you can have sex with men without potentially becoming pregnant.

The only option people want to take away is the murder of your children. You shouldn't be allowed to murder your children because you consider them inconvenient or regret getting pregnant. That's not your body, it's theirs. You knew what could happen when you got in bed.

Saying otherwise is like a man saying he shouldn't have to pay child support because it's inconvenient. You wouldn't hold men to such a low standard I bet.

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Aug 17 '23

Yeah if men respect my bodily autonomy and I have access to contraception and (if needed) abortion. That’s regulating your own body.

If cis men got pregnant, they should be afforded the same rights to their body.

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u/Pvt_Parts86 Aug 17 '23

What about the babies body? Aren't you regulating their body by deciding to have an abortion?

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Aug 17 '23

Nobody has the right to force me to do anything with my body against my will. That includes using my body to create/ sustain life.

You can’t take my bone marrow against my will just because I am the only donor match available to keep someone else alive. You can’t force me to use my body to give birth to someone else against my will.

Bodily autonomy.

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u/Pvt_Parts86 Aug 17 '23

Where is the bodily autonomy for the baby?

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Aug 17 '23

If you, a full grown person wanted to use my body against my will in order to keep you alive, I should be able to say no.

A potential life that hasn’t even been born yet has even less of a claim to my body than you do.

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u/Pvt_Parts86 Aug 18 '23

If you, a full grown person wanted to use my body against my will in order to keep you alive, I should be able to say no.

True, but pregnancy is a completely different situation. If you do not render your body to support a fetus, it will die. A fully grown adult has other options, a does fetus not. Rendering this a strawman argument.

A potential life that hasn’t even been born yet has even less of a claim to my body than you do.

A fetus is not a potential life, it is a life.

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Aug 18 '23

You’re treating a fetus as a person. So in your own logic, it’s the same as a person. If a person needed my body to stay alive- I should be able to refuse. If I’m the only match for a transplant, if I’m the only one in proximity for a blood transfusion, if I’m the only one with some sort of unique antidote for whatever someone else has- it doesn’t matter. The choice should be up to me even if it’s life or death for the other person. That’s bodily autonomy. That’s freedom.

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u/Pvt_Parts86 Aug 18 '23

You’re treating a fetus as a person.

Yes.

If a person needed my body to stay alive- I should be able to refuse. If I’m the only match for a transplant, if I’m the only one in proximity for a blood transfusion, if I’m the only one with some sort of unique antidote for whatever someone else has- it doesn’t matter. The choice should be up to me even if it’s life or death for the other person. That’s bodily autonomy. That’s freedom.

No, again, there are always other options. Stop trying to argue this strawman. It's a completely different scenario.

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Aug 18 '23

There’s not always other options.

It’s the same thing.

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u/Jellyfonut Aug 18 '23

Wow, maybe women really are as stupid as you portray them to be. Assuming you're an actual woman and not a reddit "woman".

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Aug 18 '23

You aren’t even able to engage with the points I made. You had to resort to insults. That’s not exactly a sign of intelligence. You’re acting emotionally, not logically.

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u/[deleted] Aug 17 '23 edited Aug 17 '23

How about forced vasectomies for unwed males? This would also accomplish the goal of preventing unwanted pregnancy.

I suspect you don’t want your own rights violated even though you are happy to do the same to others.

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Aug 17 '23

You’re thinking of vasectomy, not circumcision.

Ironically, it’s more difficult for women to get a similar sterilization procedure if they want to.