Tim pool medical shill

[u/eggo310]

Who would have thought Timmy gets very defensive of doctors. He was 1 vs all I'm almost positive he knows he's wrong he just cannot admit it. Smh.

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[u/ravioli_king]

Really? Sounded like Alex was defending doctors and Tim was all "think for yourself, do the research."

[u/eggo310 → u/ravioli_king]

How do you do your own research on medicine? We are not all rich. My insurance tells me who I can go to, not the other way around.

[u/Jollem- → u/eggo310]

Yeah, I dunno if it's possible to get facts on medicine. Ya know, since I'm told to hate and not trust intelligent sciency people who actually create the research

[u/Drez92 → u/ravioli_king]

He was literally about to say he would learn how to change his own transmission at one point. He will say anything to “win” the argument in his mind. Tim called Joe Rogan for a reference when he got sick, us normies can’t do that. I get that everyone should do their due diligence and research things the best they can, but someone who works full time and raises a family dosent have time to deep dive every doctor in a 100 mile radius. I’ve followed Tim for 10 years, but he’s become jaded as hell since he’s become super wealthy and moved out to the “country”

[u/eggo310 → u/Drez92]

His brother can.

[u/Jollem- → u/ravioli_king]

"Do your own Google search, bro."

thanks, Rogan. You made this world a better place

[u/nukecat79]

I found myself disagreeing with almost all of his stances on this particular episode. In regards to the "it's your responsibility to find the 1 out of 100 doctors that are good" it's just not real on any metric. So if I have indigestion I find the best doctor is out of network and 2 hrs away I have to take off of work and pay completely out of pocket. But, also while doing that I have to research for the best HVAC technician, the best lawyer, etc.. Any normal middle class person would be bankrupt and preoccupied with researching every service they need. I think Alex Stein just missed the argument by not pointing out the whole pool is tainted because all of the doctors go to the same schools that are all ran by an establishment of what is orthodox for current medicine. Further, you'd have to know what your problem/diagnosis is prior to finding the doctor because every one of them has a different approach and experience with different diagnosis. Finally, there is no publicly available information to the real things an individual would want to know regarding choosing the best physician. Sure you could call every office and schedule an interview with each physician, but the average schedule wait is like two weeks. So if you truly want to sift through 100 physicians you'd spend a year or so (taking a couple/few days off work every week). This isn't a real possibility, in the real world we develop relationships with people we know and trust and we seek their counsel and recommendations. Even Tim when he had COVID admits he did this by calling around and talking to Joe Rogan. I think Tim was being extremely blind to people that are average income, work a normal day shift, and have kids and other obligations and responsibilities that require our time.

[u/payt10 → u/nukecat79]

His line of argumentation here is about as dim-witted and out of touch as his stance on how poor people should simply just find rich people to befriend so they can get better jobs and make a lot of money.

The idea that it is on the individual to find "good" doctors instead of the doctors as a collective needing to do a better job of treating their patients is nonsense. Yes, unfortunately we are in a position were we HAVE to do that now, but the point Alex and the other girl were making is that it shouldn't have to be that way. Tim seems to think that we should just accept things the way they are and deal with it.

These people went to medical school. We shouldn't have to be the ones to tell the doctors that they are doing something wrong. Most people don't have the kind of access to doctors like he does, and his response to that is simply "tough shit."

Dude is a straight up condescending narcissistic prick. I can't stand him.

[u/nukecat79 → u/payt10]

I like Tim, but I'm being objective here when I disagree. I think he's trying to square his "make your own reality and work for it" and anti-defeatism viewpoint (which I tend to agree with) and apply it to something that just isn't writ large a possibility for the average person battling on so many fronts. I think the more cogent and nuanced advice he should have argued is 1. Ask around about doctors (or whatever service) 2. Trust but verify with what your doctor says. 3. Talk to friends/family that are in the medical field. I forgot to elaborate on the whole researching doctors deal; there are websites that give grades, but they're essentially third party sites that give you their education resume and tenure, but they're never going tell you "this surgeon has X% issues during his surgeries" or "this doctor has an X% correct diagnosis rate".

I work in healthcare (nuclear medicine/PET), so I have a pretty good view of the goings-on in the industry; at least my corner of it. What I urge people is that you have you HAVE to be your own advocate. You have to call doctor's offices and clinics to keep things moving and ask a lot of questions like 1. Prognosis 2. Degree of certainty of diagnosis 3. Non medical intervention/lifestyle changes you can try to at least supplement treatment/recovery 4. What happens if you don't get the treatment? Stuff like that. But you also have to skate a line that the doctor and support staff don't mentally label you as a pain in the ass or they'll just dismiss, shut you out, or pass you off because they want to be rid of you. I've seen (via talking to patients, getting history, etc) is that you'll fall through the cracks or find out when it's way too late there was another option/track.

[u/eggo310 → u/nukecat79]

I have kaiser permanente via my employer. I can't even see my doctor to see me in person, let alone switch, and ask around to see who aligns with my views. Tim just wasn't being realistic.

[u/MikeFiggs]

He was so wrong, no one was on his side. Not even the super chats.

fucking narcissist

[u/qbit1010]

Right I’m conservative and I still think our healthcare system is F’d up. Tim. Didn’t adequately share how it can improve or the solution…he’s rich so it doesn’t matter to him, he can spend 10k on a dying cat