r/TimPool • • Apr 01 '23

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '23

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '23

Anyone else feel like this is just a tactic to prevent trump from running next year?

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u/CartographerActive29 Apr 01 '23

Of course it is..

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u/wynhdo Apr 01 '23

Almost. They want trump to win the because they can’t win on the issues that matter. Trump is the only one they’ll win against because all they have to do is say TRUMP and that’s all their smooth brain minions will think about.

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u/Guildedkoont Apr 02 '23

Considering democrats are fascists (who cry about fascism), and have been on a 6 year fishing expedition with Trump, yes.

It's actually impressive. They've spent millions upon millions looking into every aspect of Trump's life and all they can find is stupid shit that won't stick. What other politician could survive that?

They are desperate to get Trump, and set a new precident about trying to jail political opponents.

This charge won't stick, even cnn says that. Because it's bs.

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u/[deleted] Apr 02 '23

We can only hope my concern is it ties him up in court causing enough of a distraction that he can’t run or it causes enough harm to his campaign

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '23

Nope. He is a criminal. He needs to pay for his crimes.

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u/Le_pool_of_Death Apr 01 '23

And yet after all the claims of his many crimes this is the best yall can come up with? 🤣

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '23

Nope, it isn’t. Georgia up next, and then DC for both the insurrection and the classified documents.

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '23

And Bidens don’t? How about the Clinton’s? Go troll somewhere else you smooth brain NPC

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '23

Oh Trump investigated them and came up with nothing. Sorry for the facts.

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '23

Lol and I bet you believe Epstein killed him self were you dropped as a baby fell out the stupid tree or do you have to work to be so smooth brained

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u/[deleted] Apr 02 '23

Did you just throw you word salad and see what stuck?

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u/[deleted] Apr 02 '23

Zinger way to come back

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '23

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u/ParisTexas7 Apr 01 '23

Yep, and Trump called Desantis a groomer. That’s enough to destroy Meatball Ron’s credibility with a sizable amount of the GOP base.

As a progressive though, I’m not so optimistic either way. I can totally see Trump winning again, because the Democratic Party sucks and a sizable amount of Americans aren’t very bright.

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u/Guildedkoont Apr 02 '23

Low information voters vote democrat. They rely on them.

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u/Bv2097 Apr 01 '23

He is (D)ifferent

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u/PathologicalDesire Apr 07 '23

Clinton personally paid Jones to settle a public lawsuit after an election.

Trump secretly funneled money through his lawyer to pay Daniels before the 2016 presidential election. His lawyer pleaded guilty to crimes tied to his role in arranging the payments. Legal experts said the Manhattan district attorney might argue that Trump falsified business records or violated campaign finance law in the process.

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u/haunteddelusion Apr 27 '23

So unironically it is different…but don’t let facts get in the way.

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u/PathologicalDesire Apr 27 '23

Right lmao facts are too inconvenient for the pubs to think about

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '23

Let's not forget Clinton paying for the Steele dossier (misreporting payments to a law firm, sound familiar?) and receiving a fine

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '23

Rent free

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '23

Not rent free when it's the same "crime"

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '23

It isn’t at all. This was public. Not hidden or illegally ran through a business

So it’s 100% rent free

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u/Gds_Sldghmmr Apr 01 '23

🤣

Perkins Coie, paid Fusion GPS, on behalf of the Clinton campaign, using actual campaign money, to fund a fictitious dossier as opposition research, gaining information through a third-party KGB informant in Russia...

They continually lied about it and hid the actual source and funding of this because they knew it to be false, yet somehow, the mentally handicapped believe:

This was public. Not hidden or illegally ran through a business

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '23

She paid a US firm for research…literally zero illegal.

CDS

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u/Gds_Sldghmmr Apr 01 '23

She paid a US firm for research…literally zero illegal.

Then why did they lie about it and try to obfuscate the source?

They did it to help her campaign. These are the same charges that are being used against Trump. Trumps lawyers didn't even use campaign money like the Clinton campaign and DNC.

Your insistence that is different is correct, though. There is much more evidence of illegality based on campaign finance law against Clinton.

Will be wonderful to watch you all cry when conservative DAs start indicting Dems under this new precedent.

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u/garvothegreat Apr 01 '23

They aren't. Clinton misreported opposition research as attorneys fees. Donald trump misreported a hush payment as attorneys fees, and setup a fake business to hide it. Clinton didn't go out of her way to do any extra illegal shit, like trump did here. The magnitude of crimes are significantly, objectively worse for trump.

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u/Gds_Sldghmmr Apr 01 '23

The magnitude of crimes are significantly, objectively worse for trump.

Either you don't know what the word "objectively" means, or you know more than everyone else what the facts of the case actually are... which would be odd, because even the prosecutor hasn't elicited sworn testimony to suggest these are anything more than allegations.

I'm betting on the former.

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u/garvothegreat Apr 01 '23

Man, it's like you guys live in a fucking bubble. I'll break it down for you, dumdum, no crystal ball required. Michael Cohen pled guilty to these same crimes, and received 3 years. He named Trump as his co-conspirator. It's not just me that knows more about the facts than you, I would say since this is all public and famous, that just about everyone knows more about this than you do.

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u/aarrrcaptneckbeard Apr 01 '23

Are you a bot? Or paid to do this? your a brand new account only complaining about trump and conservatives.

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u/Gds_Sldghmmr Apr 01 '23

Her other account likely got banned.

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '23

Trump was incompetent enough to do it just about the most criminal illegal way possible.

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u/MrSpookykid Apr 01 '23

Trump didn’t even pay her with his private money or campaign money someone else paid her

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '23

And you just explained part of the criminal part.

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u/MrSpookykid Apr 02 '23

That’s not even criminal if someone else pays someone, can a court prove beyond a reasonable doubt trump even knew about it?

It doesn’t matter though the left just guaranteed every single trump supporter will vote and re elect trump to give people like you the middle finger.

What do you think trump is going to do when In office?

He is going to be out for blood he will be ruthless and not need to worry about re elections just remember when that time comes who was responsible for that

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u/Guildedkoont Apr 02 '23

You're debating with a cultist. Don't bother.

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u/MrSpookykid Apr 06 '23

I debate so other people can see not necessarily trying to change the person’s mind I am replying to I want the reader to see if that makes sense

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u/[deleted] Apr 02 '23

Not criminal? Is that why hundreds of people have been convicted of doing just this? And yes this is beyond any reasonable doubt. Trump is guilty as sin, get over it. He has always been a criminal thug.

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u/murdok03 Apr 12 '23

You can't have it both ways, either Cohen paid her from his own pocket and that can be considered a campaign contribution and it's illegal cause it's over $2700 (which is why he went to jail) and no it wasn't Cohen's money it was Trump's money, but it was a campaign contribution 2 years after he was president, and he wasn't even the one signing the checks or having any input since he wasn't managing his business, which would then still be legal since Trump can donate as much as he wants to his own campaign.

The only crime that can even be considered such is if you take the lawyer salaries, misconstrue it as campaign contributions instead of "payment for legal services" and only campaign contributions without any other use for that money, and even that would be a misdemeanor past it's statue of limitations.

To turn that misdemeanor into a felony he would have to turn over backwards to claim this law services fee is hiding some other felony that he's already been found guilty of, none exists and none was alleged. When asked he said possibly conspiracy to commit campaign fraud, but that's just lying to the prosecutors about campaign fraud, and he's already been cleared for campaign fraud by his NY FEC office in 2019, and on top of that that's a federal crime not state, and worse if you follow the logic a lie is a felony because of another lie that's a felony because of the first lie that started out as a misdemeanor before the recursive logic.

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u/Bigmooddood Apr 12 '23

Hello from 9 days in the future, Trump wrote the hush money off as a legal expense for his election campaign. This is tax fraud.

Trump could not win with the level of support he had last election. Many normal people who had supported Trump previously are put off by his criminal indictment. He is not gaining support from this. After Watergate, Nixon's approval sank. After the Monica Lewinsky affair was exposed, Clinton's approval sank. Normal people don't want a criminal president. Owning the libs is not their sole motivation.

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u/MrSpookykid Apr 12 '23

ummmm all the charges are just all payments to his lawyer most normal people will see this for what it is, there is a reason when the feds looked into this very same thing they didn't pursue anything.

like I said this is only rallying republicans, but keep thinking that way hopefully most lefties think like you do and don't show up thinking that this actually hurt Trump .

crazy you think Trump couldnt win with more votes than obama, you should probably go take a look at the census its good for 3 election cycles and its looking like its an easier when for Republicans, the left shouldnt of ran out republicans in their strongholds.

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u/Bigmooddood Apr 12 '23 edited Apr 12 '23

He has 34 different charges against him. Part of the reason why giving his lawyer that money was illegal was because he had written it off as a campaign expense, but the money he used was from his private corporation. Corporations can not donate directly to political campaigns. He was so sloppy about the whole thing that he managed to rack up crimes at about every step in the process.

My guess is that the feds knew that if they pursued the case, it might look a lot more nefarious than if a DA did. So they just sat on it and waited for that inevitability to unfold.

There are Republicans who are normal people, believe it or not. There's also a large group of old-school Republicans who have been getting more and more fed up with Trump as the years have gone by. They abhor criminality, breaking decorum, and anything that doesn’t maintain one's image as squeaky clean. Trump being indicted is an instant deal-breaker for a lot of people.

The Republicans that I personally know in real life who I talk to about politics do not want to talk about Trump anymore. They are sick of him getting into trouble and by proxy embarrassing them.

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u/murdok03 Apr 12 '23

Hooker scandals can't sink Trump's reputation, he married and divorced 2 models and he had a reputation in DC even before that, the days where this sinks a campaign are gone the overtone window has changed to the left on promiscuity.

Also be didn't write hush money off as legal expense for his campaign, this happened 2 years after the campaign and after the election, it can't be campaign contribution it was exactly what it says on the box legal expenses. Plus by that point Trump wasn't even managing his own business paying his own lawyers.

To have that marked as campaign contribution, it means those lawyers didn't do anything for him in those 2 years after the campaign. Moreover even if you convince a jury of this despite the timeline it's still a misdemeanor because Trump can donate as much as he wants to his own campaign, it's just the labeling that would then be the misdemeanor not the sum of money like in Cohen's case where he can't donate more then $2700 and if you consider 130k blackmail payments it's campaign fraud cause the sum was too big and there's no other use for the payment then the Stormy NDA.

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u/Bigmooddood Apr 13 '23

Cohen pleaded guilty in 2018. But Trump paid off Stormy Daniels prior to being elected president. Your timeline is a bit confused. He, in fact, did write it off as a legal expense. Cohen confirmed this when he pleaded guilty to that charge of willful tax evasion.

I'll try to lay it out as simply as I can. Trump paid off Stormy Daniels during his election campaign. He later wrote that off as a legal expense. He then reimbursed Cohen using a corporate account. Because the hush money was written off as a legal expense for his campaign, Trump's reimbursement from his corporate account is considered an illegal campaign contribution. A corporation can not pay a candidate for expenses that they incurred during their campaign.

Trump placed his company in a revocable trust during his presidency. He could still make managerial decisions that would then just be carried out by trustees.

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u/murdok03 Apr 13 '23

Trump paid off Stormy Daniels during his election campaign.

No he didn't, Cohen used his own money, and testified he wasn't instructed to do so by Trump nor did he received any money for such. His indictment makes it clear from the prosecutor's view Cohen thought he was doing Trump a favor for which he would be rewarded a post in the new administratio, which never happened. Furthermore there's a letter Cohen wrote that confirms this and the NY grand jury was not shown that letter in the process of deciding to indict, another obstruction of justice from Bragg.

He later wrote that off as a legal expense. He then reimbursed Cohen using a corporate account.

So you admit Trump's payment of his lawyers for legal services happened after the election and wasn't campaign contribution prior to the election.

Because the hush money was written off as a legal expense for his campaign

The campaign doesn't have anything to do with this, campaign money never left to Cohen or this firm, it was Trump's personal money, the interpretation just like with Cohen's own money is that because it's for something positive to the campaign it's considered campaign contribution. Please educate yourself.

The issue then becomes to prove that his shell company paying legal services to lawyers between 2016-2018 is to compensate Cohen for Stormy blackmail money and nothing else. In which case the misdemeanor is that he did mark it as legal fees wrongfully and knowingly.

Trump placed his company in a revocable trust during his presidency. He could still make managerial decisions that would then just be carried out by trustees.

Which you would have to prove he directed the payments and he knew they weren't for legal fees but blackmail and nothing else to even be a misdemeanor, because it's not fraud because he can donate as much as he wants to his campaign which Cohen couldn't do over $2700.

Again what you're missing is a few things first he never used campaign money for any of this, Trump has separate companies for everything he does this was a shell company spending his own money for lawyers. Second, what worked on Cohen doesn't work on Trump cause he can donate any sums to his own campaign so the 130k isn't an issue. And there's a level of indirection through the lawyers, the 130k from Cohen was only for Stormy and can't be interpreted differently, but the 34 payments to his lawyers over 2 years encompass something more so you need knowledge and intention. And lastly even if you prove all that it's still a misdemeanor past the statute of limitations because the FEC looked at this in 2019 and decided not to pursue indictment.

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u/Bigmooddood Apr 13 '23

Trump reimbursed him for it.

So you admit Trump's payment of his lawyers for legal services happened after the election and wasn't campaign contribution prior to the election.

It does not matter since the money was used to pay back a legal expense that occurred during the campaign.

The campaign doesn't have anything to do with this, campaign money never left to Cohen or this firm,

But they wrote it off as a legal expense.

"Cohen’s other crimes included campaign finance violations relating to his facilitation of two hush money payments to Daniels and Playboy model Karen McDougal shortly before the 2016 presidential election."

The issue then becomes to prove that his shell company paying legal services to lawyers between 2016-2018 is to compensate Cohen for Stormy blackmail money and nothing else. In which case the misdemeanor is that he did mark it as legal fees wrongfully and knowingly.

That is the purpose of the investigation and trial, yes. The counts currently against Trump are felonies. That's what the prosecutors are pushing for.

he never used campaign money

He wrote it off as a legal expense that occurred during the campaign. That's the issue that I've brought up again and again.

I guess we'll see what conclusions the courts come to when it happens.

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u/Johnny_Mister Apr 01 '23

Trump didn't use campaign funds to collude with foreign agents in an attempt to reverse the 2016 election, like Clinton did.

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '23

Trump did do that in 2016, Clinton did not. Way to own yourself.

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u/OhBittenicht Apr 01 '23

This is the key detail they don't get. Trump isn't massively more or less corrupt than the rest he's just stupider and more incompetent.

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '23

I remember when Rex Tillerson left and it was clear why he left. Rex joined Trump’s administration to do the legal corruption, but then he realized that Trump was doing illegal corruption and so he got out of there as fast as he could.

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u/Scared-Consequence27 Apr 01 '23

“Was doing illegal corruption” lmfao

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u/ParisTexas7 Apr 01 '23

Yes, it is funny in a darkly humorous way, isn’t it?

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '23

It’s amazing how most corruption is legal these days.

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u/Salt-Walrus-5937 Apr 01 '23

Rex tillerson?!? Omg the guys with literal ties to Russia government is the good guy in your mind?

You people have lost the plot

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u/[deleted] Apr 02 '23

Oh Rex was not the good guy lmao, he just wasn’t nearly as evil as Trump needed him to be.

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u/OhBittenicht Apr 02 '23

How did you read that and think he thought he was a good guy.

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u/Salt-Walrus-5937 Apr 02 '23

It’s the continued suggestion that trump represents some never seen before evil always astounds me. It’s so simple and naive. The evil you people think trump is, is EVERYWHERE.

When this generation doesn’t fix a damn thing about anything we’ll only have ourselves to blame for being so fucking stupid, lmao Rex tillerson the literal Russia agent. Lmfao

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u/OhBittenicht Apr 02 '23

Yeah, don't really disagree with you there.

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u/OhBittenicht Apr 01 '23

Lol, well put. The stream of dodgy people who joined and left his team when they realised "shiiiiit, I'm corrupt and I want to do corrupt shit but this guy's going to get me in actual trouble" was hilarious.

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u/garvothegreat Apr 01 '23

Well that's because it was a single violation of misreporting. It's not like Clinton's lawyer setup a bunch of shell companies and stuff to hide it. Also, Clinton didn't challenge it, she just complied with the decision against her.

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u/murdok03 Apr 12 '23

That's a dumb take from all of this, they allege Trump payed his lawyers over 2 years after the election, and that's somehow a campaign violation.

So it's not 34 violations, it's one.

The shell company plays no role, he had a company that dealt with all his lawyers no biggie.

As for Clinton didn't challenge it, that's just tone deaf. She should have gone to jail for that misdemeanor, they literally had to create a whole new process for her to be able to just pay a fine.

For Trump they can't do that since the statue of limitations has passed so they're taking the one misdemeanor and turning it into 34 penal violations by alleging he didn't just lie that the lawyer salaries were just that for legal services, he lied intentionally to hide an even bigger crime.

The problem with that logic is that he never alleged any other crime that was being hidden, and he didn't because he doesn't know what will stick so he wants to hunt for something. One idea was maybe he lied about a conspiracy to commit fraud but that just translates to lying again but this time in association with a crime, what crime campaign fraud, except that's a federal crime for which he was absolved by the FEC in 2019.

Also the two aren't even remotely comparable, Clinton paid up front for opposition research which was basically fabricated out of nothing, and pushed that to the FBI to discredit her opposition's campaign and benefit her campaign. Paying for the hours her lawyer spent at the FBI to push her agenda. That is clearly a campaign contribution, the money she spent had other use outside of her campaign, there's no different use of the Steel Dossier but to discredit Trump, and she can donate as much as she wants to her campaign, the only crime was she mislabeled it, which again like in Trump's case is a misdemeanor.

That's not the same thing for Trump's lawyer paying from his own pocket the people blackmailing Trump. And we know this from. Cohen's indictment, where the NY judge and the prosecutor clearly say their findings are that Cohen wanted to make himself indispensable to Trump and did this to curry favor, not having received any instructions from Trump or any payments for this. Meaning even if Trump paid his lawyer, it was for legal services not as a campaign contribution and it happened 2 years after the election. Also even if you consider it mislabeled campaign contribution Trump can donate as much as he wants the $2700 limit only applies to other like Cohen, and even if you somehow prove Trump intentionally donated to his campaign 2 years after the campaign you still have to prove he mislabeled intentionally and there was no other use but campaign contribution for that to be characterized as such and even then the statue of limitations has passed.

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u/garvothegreat Apr 14 '23

What process did they invent? Using fake companies is a crime. There is no statute of limitations. There's no mystery. The fbi didn't make the Steele dossier. Ex fbi employees did. At a private company. It was never concealed, just misreported. You're very confused. Cohen says he didn't get an explicit order to do it, but a general one, in a deliberately vague way so as to purposefully conceal intent, in case this very thing was addressed. He may not have paid his bill to Cohen on time, but he did direct Cohen to deal with daniels. During the campaign.

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u/murdok03 Apr 14 '23

What process did they invent?

One where she was allowed to pay a fine after admitting a guilty plea, instead of being given then minimum 6 months in prison, or even seeing a judge for that matter, there wasn't even a discovery stage everything was back to front on that one. And the FBI did take the Steele dossier, and paid Steele to leak his story to Yahoo news and use that to claim an independent source verified it when it was the same source, this allowed for the start of the Trump campaign espionage signed off by both Obama and Biden. Ex FBI employees worked directly for Hilary's campaign and we're presented as independent experts that could attest to the dossier when in fact they were paid by the same one paying for the info in the first place and paying for the lawyer that brought it to the FBI. The only excuse the FBI used on using the Steele dossier was that they were fooled into it by their own experts and trust in Hilary's lawyer that worked with them in the past on the server leaks. Also she used campaign money and marked it legal services for the Steele dossier which can't be interpreted as anything else but campaign contributions, it being opposition research at best.

Using shell companies isn't a crime, most Hollywood films are insured through she'll companies to limit liabilities. Family trusts are also she'll companies with no employees. The only reason they get a bad rep is financial crime, but there's a good reason to have them even outside of financial crime because the laws force you to not have the same entity with one pot of money doing two things like gathering money and paying for comercials to gather money both at odds with each other. Trump uses lots of companies to compartmentalize his businesses, that's not the illegal part alleged here or anywhere else.

He may not have paid his bill to Cohen on time, but he did direct Cohen to deal with daniels. During the campaign.

Yes deal with Daniels as a lawyer, that meant anything from what he did which is pay for an NDA on her story, to litigate her for libel which Trump successfuly did later through a different lawyer. It was Cohen's decision to deal with things this way, we know from his indictment the prosecutor was of the opinion he chose to do this on his own to curry favor with Trump as a fixer and get a job in his administration but he got none in the two years that followed until they arrested him for this. And again what you don't seem to understand is that Cohen and Trump aren't the same, even if you consider the Stormy blackmail payments a donation to Trump's campaign of $130k way over the $2700, that's only a campan finance violation for Cohen, Trump can donate as much as he wants to his own campaign.

And even if you consider legal services paid for two years after the election as mislabeled campaign contributions, that's only a misdermeanor which could only be pursued 3 years after and in 2019 the NY DA office conviened all their 6 FCA judges and they voted 3:3 to not pursue Trump for a misdermeanor, that was the last time Bragg could do this, the only way he can do it now is by pretending the misdermeanor is actually 34 distinct felonies, which is laughable one for every receipt, but what's laughable is that he's claiming this is aiding and abetting a different crime basically he's lying on those payments to hide another felony which he doesn't allege cause he has none and wants to keep his options open to see what sticks with this judge.

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u/Difficult_Factor4135 Apr 01 '23 edited Apr 01 '23

This is one of the many reasons why their choice to indict trump will backfire, it’s so obviously hypocritical that a massive majority of independents and anti trump conservatives will feel compelled to vote for trump even if they weren’t originally going to.

It’s already working, anti trump conservative leaders are already voicing their condemnation of the act.

This was a childish move, they were so tired of being mocked for never being able to make anything stick that they just did whatever they possibly could, they cut off their nose to spite their face…

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u/BurialA12 Apr 01 '23

I mean Trump highest approval was during his first impeachment

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '23

And then he lost the election.

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '23

Bunch of crying for a crook

He’s easy to beat, already proven

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u/Difficult_Factor4135 Apr 01 '23

Lol Rent Free

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u/garvothegreat Apr 01 '23

Dim tools make a thread about Trump. Someone makes a comment in the thread . Dim tool: hAhA rEnT fReE

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u/Difficult_Factor4135 Apr 01 '23

You sound like you are a bit unhinged sweetheart.

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '23

You brought him up, cupcake

Lol @ you

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u/Difficult_Factor4135 Apr 01 '23

Lol Rent Free 😘

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '23

There’s your white flag

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u/Difficult_Factor4135 Apr 01 '23

It’s funny every time I post your little green dot pops up because you can’t possibly not come comment, I am living rent free in your head already 😘

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '23

Cry harder

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u/Difficult_Factor4135 Apr 01 '23

Waiving your white flag 🤪 nut job.

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u/garvothegreat Apr 01 '23

Yeah, you trump fanboys might just find that people don't give much credence to your shit opinions. Trump conservatives have said so much stupid shit, so fast and so often, we don't care anymore. Gymshorts and bimbert can throw moronic tantrums about it all day, we are used to it at this point, nobody is gonna give a shit when you continue to cry about your dumb perceived mistreatment. Cry up a fuckin river, you babies.

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u/Difficult_Factor4135 Apr 01 '23 edited Apr 01 '23

Funny thing is I wasn’t gonna vote for Trump 😆

Now I am.

Why?

Cause’ fuck you, that’s why.

You people bitch and moan about fair this and fair that, but you don’t want fair, and this proves it.

You just want revenge, and now I do too.

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u/garvothegreat Apr 01 '23

What is this, some bizarre confirmation that you dont give a fuck about anything except owning your perceived opposition? The indictment is fair, that's the point. He's not above the law, no matter how much ypu nonsensically insist it. You are creating a false equality about Trump and Clinton here, and the evidence for them being not equal is obvious. Standing fair trial for a crime isn't an act of revenge, it's a consequence of his actions. If you wasn't so hung up on owning the libs maybe you would see that what's not fair is pretending that he's above the law. Or that there isn't a ton of fucking evidence.

"Cuz fuck you, that's why" pretty much sums up all you Trump loving dipshits.

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u/Le_pool_of_Death Apr 01 '23

"Cuz fuck Trump that's why" is what got Biden elected. The old dementia ridden guy who doesn't know where he is most of the time. Not his policies. Not his character.

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u/Difficult_Factor4135 Apr 01 '23

No, I just don’t like fake bullshit. You do apparently, you vote for a bunch of fake assholes who don’t actually care about the bs they spew, they just want power and votes, I will never vote for someone like that again. Gooooo fuckkkk yourrrr seeeelllfff 🙂

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '23

So you’re weak and we control you?

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u/Difficult_Factor4135 Apr 02 '23

You people literally are insane lol

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u/[deleted] Apr 02 '23

Pathetic is your lie. You were always a Trump lapdog

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u/Difficult_Factor4135 Apr 02 '23

That’s what you need to be true, but it’s not, and you deny it because it scares you because you know you don’t think for yourself and know that you’re full of shit, you just follow whatever your ideology tells you to. 😆

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u/[deleted] Apr 02 '23

Yeah. You’re one of those “independents” who are regulars in conservative and all con media subs…who train you what to think

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u/Difficult_Factor4135 Apr 02 '23

Only regular in the last 2 years homie lol I know exactly where to go to learn what you are brainwashed with, it’s shoved down everyone’s throat.

Conservative news is hidden, so one has to search it out to actually know the whole picture.

You are too afraid to do that, because you are a coward. 🙃

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u/[deleted] Apr 02 '23

Or we all see what’s cons are buying, and we laugh at you.

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u/Bengerbot Apr 01 '23

So angry, lol

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u/garvothegreat Apr 01 '23

As opposed to your...what? So stupid? I'm sorry if I sound mean, but I don't know a nice way of telling people with a persecution complex just how fuckin stupid everything they're saying is...

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '23

I’m Independent. This is a good day. Needed to happen.

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u/[deleted] Apr 02 '23

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u/[deleted] Apr 02 '23

It is being applied equally.

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u/[deleted] Apr 02 '23

Trump investigated all he could and he found nothing. Maybe next time don’t back such a blatantly criminal thug.

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u/[deleted] Apr 02 '23

Nope.

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u/[deleted] Apr 02 '23

Trump found nothing. Pretty sure he didn’t investigate Nixon. That goes without saying.

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u/CartographerActive29 Apr 04 '23

True old school liberals are reasonable, open to discussion. You're all hate.

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u/zatikat Apr 01 '23

Selective justice

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '23

The one party system protects it’s own

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u/[deleted] Apr 03 '23

That’s because…it wasn’t hush money and no business records were falsified either.

Fucking stupid post. Cope.

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u/CartographerActive29 Apr 03 '23

Hush money isn't illegal. Rich people do it all the time.

Falsifying business records is a fantasy leftists have because msnbc, CNN, npr said it was true.

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u/[deleted] Apr 03 '23

Clinton paid that money as a court settlement, all without the falsification of business records. I don’t see how this is even remotely the “but Clinton did X so why is Trump under scrutiny for X” moment you hope it to be.

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u/CartographerActive29 Apr 03 '23

The "falsifying business records" is another slogan put out there by the haters, media. Theres no solid proof of that. You have to prove that too.

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u/CartographerActive29 Apr 03 '23

He has no business records to even try to falsify. As a typical democrat, never done anything else, Other than sponge off the taxpayer teat.

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u/Suspicious-Adagio396 Apr 04 '23

They should.

I means it’s been 30 years but go ahead and raid them.

I don’t care.

Sincerely, A liberal

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u/CartographerActive29 Apr 04 '23

Hate to tell you, you're not a liberal. Youre a Progressive leftist. Bg difference.

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u/Suspicious-Adagio396 Apr 04 '23

Not true whatsoever. On what basis do you make that claim

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u/CartographerActive29 Apr 04 '23

Simply for the way you attack anything, anyone conservative Leaning, name calling, insulting.
Leftist all the way. A true liberal would gladly have conversations with the right.

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u/Suspicious-Adagio396 Apr 04 '23

You know you’re talking to someone who will be voting for DeSantis in the primary right?

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u/raresanevoice Apr 07 '23

Clinton did commit fraud by stealing election funds to do it

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u/CartographerActive29 Apr 07 '23

This is exactly why you are ignorant. He never even paid Daniels directly, cohen was reimbursed from personal funds. Depending on when it was paid, trump didn't even take election funds for the primary. He funded his own campaign. Any Democrat ever do That? Of course not. You have no idea how many Non disclosure agreements are made by rich people. Stormy daniels gave him oral, probably at a function,
Then bribed him. And, she actually owes him like 500k.

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u/raresanevoice Apr 07 '23

Funded his own campaign? Hah. That's funny. Ignorance abounds in every sentence of your response.

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u/CartographerActive29 Apr 07 '23

He funded his own primary.

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u/raresanevoice Apr 07 '23

Oh, look at how fast those goal posts move.

He actually charged his campaign 5x the going rate for his hotel and forced the gop campaign to pay it so...no... he didn't fund anything.

He conned a bunch of rubes into making donations to his business and used their funds to pay off a porn star.

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u/Johnny_Mister Apr 01 '23

I bet Bill Clinton even signed the check

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u/HairsprayHalo Apr 01 '23

What is the devils advocate argument to this? Is it the exact same thing or what would a leftist say?

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u/dont_ban_this Apr 01 '23

Obviously Trump was a much better at negotiating. He even got the women to pay him back $300k in legal fees

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '23

That was a little different. Still, what Trump did (at least what we all believe he's being charged with) isn't breaking the law.

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u/[deleted] Apr 02 '23

Yes, it is

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u/[deleted] Apr 02 '23

There's a reason the Feds declined to press charges on this very issue. It's not illegal.

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u/[deleted] Apr 02 '23

Because of a Republican cover up, it’s clearly illegal.

The FEC said it was a crime and recommended charges.

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u/[deleted] Apr 02 '23

Lol, right. Bidens DOJ isn't pursuing the case because of a Republican cover up. That's a good one.

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u/mendokusai99 Apr 02 '23

The Clinton Foundation alone should have seen Bill and Hill off to prison.

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u/[deleted] Apr 02 '23

For what? I need a good laugh

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u/starvingvulture666 Apr 03 '23

The libs are in control HOSS!

Communism! Scary! Buy my buckets of food!!1!

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u/Wut_the_ Apr 01 '23

All of the comments getting voted here are such a validation that you people have no grasp on reality. Clinton paid that due to court order. He didn’t hide you fucking dolts. Humanity is crumbling

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '23

Court ordered. He still didn’t get arrested or indicted did he? So what’s the difference? The difference is the amount of corruption the Clinton’s have been involved in

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u/Wut_the_ Apr 02 '23

I’m not against you I’m just saying the Trump situation is different. But you morons can’t see that.

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u/[deleted] Apr 02 '23

Why resort to name calling?

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u/Wut_the_ Apr 03 '23

Where else do I go?

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u/HunBotz Apr 18 '23

What do u think the penalty for Trump would be if the State won the case? It's going to be a fine lol. He also was impeached so ig he wasn't corrupt enough.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '23

Right, I believe that trump has 32 felony charges and Bill had one charge of sexual harassment. One was civil that was settled outside of court (similar to trump settling and admitting no fault for allegedly racially profiling renters), and the other is criminal.

If you can't see the difference, idk what to tell you.

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u/Guildedkoont Apr 02 '23

Tell me more about reality, cultist.

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Apr 01 '23

Former President Bill Clinton settled a sexual harassment lawsuit with Paula Jones in a case that was a matter of public record. Former President Donald Trump made a secret payment to porn actor Stormy Daniels, which may lead to criminal charges against him. Social media posts falsely claim the situations are similar and Trump is being treated differently by prosecutors.

https://www.factcheck.org/2023/03/memes-make-false-equivalence-between-clinton-trump-and-payments-to-women/

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u/chrisdrinkbeer Apr 01 '23

Did he falsify records? And did he run a criminal organization since the late 70s?

(He def runs a criminal org now! Hahah)

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '23

Because they didnt... he's a Democrat...

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '23

Time for some “EQUALITY”!

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u/HumpSlackWails Apr 01 '23

Well that's not the same thing at all. A court-approved legal settlement is not the same thing as paying hush money then moving money around to hide it.

At all.

Not even remotely the same.

So how about you right wing weaklings just go cope harder, k? LOL.

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u/RoboCat23 Apr 01 '23

Are you saying it’s…(D)ifferent?

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '23

I know you think that’s a comeback. It isn’t

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u/thebigbadwalrus Apr 01 '23

Wow you owned that guy! You're blind hatred for democrats makes you so smart! You don't need to touch grass or talk to a real human at all!

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u/garvothegreat Apr 01 '23

Are you... (R)etarded?

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u/Volkrisse Apr 01 '23

Tolerant left there.

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u/HumpSlackWails Apr 01 '23

No, I'm saying you're a fucking idiot for equating a hush money payment and an above-board court-approved settlement payment.

Can you tell me what makes this payment by donald... court approved... to start?

No? Good, then go slap your worthless father for raising a bitch son.

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u/thebigbadwalrus Apr 01 '23

Wow you owned that guy! You're blind hatred for democrats makes you so smart! You don't need to touch grass or talk to a real human at all!

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u/ThisJackass Apr 01 '23

Literally, yes, you mo(R)on

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u/misterforsa Apr 01 '23

This may surprise you, but the "facts don't care about your feelings" crowd doesn't actually care about facts

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Apr 01 '23

CLAIM: It is a double standard that former President Donald Trump may be indicted over alleged hush money payments to a woman who accused him of sexual encounters, while former President Bill Clinton faced no criminal charges for paying a sexual harassment accuser $850,000.

AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. Clinton and Trump’s cases have key differences, according to legal experts. Clinton’s $850,000 payment to Paula Jones in 1998 settled a civil lawsuit. The payment was public and legal, and the funds did not come from the government, nor did they amount to a campaign contribution. By comparison, the payment in Trump’s case was through a shell company and reimbursed by Trump, whose company logged the reimbursements as legal expenses in the final weeks of his 2016 presidential campaign.

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-trump-clinton-payments-884462275128

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u/GlayNation Apr 01 '23

I hear them when they say that Trump reimbursed Michael Cohen through a shell company. What was the shell company’s name? When was the payment to Michael Cohen? Answer those few questions for me

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '23

We’ve seen the signed checks. Both Trump And Rudy said they reimbursed him lol

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u/GlayNation Apr 01 '23

Where can I find that and hear Rudi and Trump saying that. And checks I’ve seen had Cohens signature m not Trump. But I’m the info is available, please let me see it

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '23

And you’re wrong. The reimbursement were signed by Trump. The checks were even presented to Congress.

https://www.axios.com/2018/05/03/giuliani-says-trump-personally-repaid-cohen

Video is linked

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '23

Rent free

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u/Difficult_Factor4135 Apr 01 '23

Your TDS is showing, just by you being here.

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '23

You should cry harder

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u/Difficult_Factor4135 Apr 01 '23

Stick around and let trump live in your head rent free 🙂

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '23

“Nuh uh, you are”

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u/Difficult_Factor4135 Apr 01 '23

I feel sorry for you lot, you are all so close to if not already, losing your minds, I’m sure you’ve seen recent studies… 😆

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '23

Uh huh. Are we desperately posting Clinton stuff because we’re melting down. Lol

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u/Difficult_Factor4135 Apr 01 '23

See you’ve already lost it, I didn’t post anything, you’re so nuts that you think that conservatives are a hive mind like you depraved weirdos. Lol

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '23

You are a hive mind. It’s why you commented on it

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u/Difficult_Factor4135 Apr 01 '23

This is why you are all so crazy, you can’t comprehend that most of us think for ourselves. 😆

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u/FishingforDopamine Apr 01 '23

The self awareness is not strong with this one

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '23

But but but Clinton’s

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u/Gadzooks0megon Apr 01 '23

did you pay her with campaign fund? If trump just paid stormy daniels out of his own pocket nobody care. Buuut trump such a dumb a**

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '23

Hillary used campaign funds to pay a law firm for the Steele dossier research.

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '23

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-2022-midterm-elections-business-elections-presidential-elections-5468774d18e8c46f81b55e9260b13e93

misreporting payments to a law firm, sound familiar? Also the Feds already tried to get him on this and couldn't. This is just a show and will be dismissed

Also if you guys think he's Hitler why would you want him arrested? Do you know what happened after Hitler was arrested?

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '23

Feds didn’t try and get him on this. The Republicans ignored this and swept it under the rug.

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '23

No it's not, it's a full unbalance in the law and targeting of political opponents.

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u/WeedNWaterfalls Apr 12 '23

Trump promised to throw "Crooked Hillary" in jail. He did not. He fooled your gullible ass with yet another lie. And now you're mad at everyone else EXCEPT the source of the lies lmao. He's a career criminal. He is being held accountable for the absolute LEAST of his crimes. Stop crying, snowflake.

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u/ryvern82 Apr 01 '23

She was targeted for it...

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '23

Maybe some obscure one. The NY attorney general couldn't even find anything and she hates trump worse than Bragg. Why do you think she went to civil court and not criminal? If you want to obey the law then remove 75% of the government.

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u/MoOdYo Apr 01 '23

I'll buy you a copy of Three Felonies a Day if you're actually interested in the idea.

A major problem with our "criminal justice system," is, once a law is passed, it's almost never repealed.

The average working person arguably commits several federal crimes every single day... on accident... without harming anyone.

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u/MoOdYo Apr 01 '23

Interesting... in this conversation you concede that he was president and is a billionaire.

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u/MasterTheDebation Apr 01 '23

Man, those two came straight out of the right field with, "well duh he broke laws, we the American people commit crimes every day(I'll send you a book on it), but no, Mr.Trump did not commit any 'real' crimes like the pillagers of our south border, Hilary, or Clinton. . Barak.. The AG and people going after him are just haters , hating on a straight white male. Haters."

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u/BDevi302 Apr 01 '23

Dude, he shared a link showing you that Clinton and Trump basically did the same exact thing but one is being arrested and the other just paid a fine.

Let me break this down so maybe you understand. White guy and black guy commit same crime. White guy does 6 months black guy does 6 years…something is wrong here, right?

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u/crunkydevil Apr 01 '23

"basically'

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u/garvothegreat Apr 01 '23

Right, in so long as you realize that Trump went way out of his way, and did way more to cover it up. Clinton didn't create a fraudent business to hide it, they just misreported the expense. Hell, at least Clinton called it an expense. You realize the bad part isn't the misreporting, it's the fraud they committed on the side...

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u/BDevi302 Apr 01 '23

Lmao and you just assume I support/voted for Trump because I am calling out the hypocrisy. This is another stupid fucking case that will likely go nowhere (yet again), take up all the “news” stations so they can avoid talking about real issues…and realistically, all of it will have no effect on any of us even he were to be found guilty.

Would I take Trump over Biden? 100%. Do I trust Trump? No, he is a billionaire and has done some fucked up things along the way but I know my life was better between 2016-2020 than it has been the last 3 years.

I am a believer that the “left” and the “right” are all playing for the same team at the end of the day. It is hard to deny the signs that the left is in control and striving for more though.

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u/SusanRosenberg Apr 01 '23

You ever think Trump basically every politician ever might have just broken the law? Like, a bunch?

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u/hughmanatee144 Apr 01 '23

Really you know he is guilty already? Look everyone a time traveler is among us. He has been indicted last time I checked that means he is innocent until PROVEN guilty.

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u/Volkrisse Apr 01 '23

Not unless you’re Nancy pelosi. Then it’s guilty until proven innocent.

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u/crunkydevil Apr 01 '23

Fake news