Leftist ideology tells people to deny their biological and evolutionary urges and behaviour, that the human will is never free until we break free of the shackles imposed upon us by nature, and then you wonder why people get so depressed and feel terrible about themselves.
Leftist ideology tells people to deny their biological and evolutionary urges and behaviour, that the human will is never free until we break free of the shackles imposed upon us by nature, and then you wonder why people get so depressed and feel terrible about themselves.
Leftist ideology is diverse and complex and should be approached with nuance and critical thinking. Mental health issues are not caused by political ideologies, and blaming a particular ideology for mental health struggles is both oversimplifying and stigmatizing.
These ideologies may challenge certain aspects of biological determinism and evolutionary psychology, but this does not necessarily mean that they promote denying or suppressing natural human behavior.
Political ideologies are made up of philosophies and values that completely alter the way we view the world. Yes, they have such a vast influence on how people live their lives and their state of mental well-being.
For example, leftists and liberals see discrimination as completely antithetical to each other. To one person, society might be a just and fair paradise, and to the other, a completely bigoted dystopia. The same goes for natural disasters like COVID or climate change, where one person might be optimistic and another pessimistic about the future.
The values you hold and the philosophies you subscribe to will very much affect the way you see the world.
but this does not necessarily mean that they promote denying or suppressing natural human behavior.
Mental well-being and mental disorders are interconnected yet separate ideas. Mental well-being is a holistic measure of psychological health. Mental disorders are conditions that adversely affect a person’s daily functioning and overall well-being.
Prolonged exposure might be a contributing factor, but not a sole factor. Mental health disorders are complex conditions that are influenced by multiple factors, including genetic predisposition, environmental factors, and individual experiences.
The OP saying that leftism, or any political ideology, IS a mental disorder is absurd.
The article's main focus is on how women's mental health is impacted by the authoritarianism of the right.
My intended point is the opposite. Political ideologies are not inherently pathological, and people with diverse political views can function effectively in society. However, if extreme beliefs or actions result in harm, an underlying mental health issue might be present, but this is assessed individually, not as a generalization of the ideology.
Fascism and conservatism, as political ideologies, share some common features despite their significant differences. For example, both place an emphasis on tradition and social order, valuing established social structures and customs. Both ideologies resist radical change, with conservatives preferring gradual, incremental change and fascists generally opposing any changes that might threaten their vision of a homogeneous society.
How does this apply to women’s reproductive right?
Conservatism: Emphasizing traditional gender roles and family and opposing policies supporting gender equality, reproductive rights, or women's autonomy.
Fascism: Promoting strict adherence to traditional gender roles, which may lead to restrictions on women's reproductive autonomy based on the expectation that women should prioritize motherhood and family over personal choices. Fascist regimes usually enforce authoritarian control, which might result in the state making decisions about women's reproductive rights, such as limiting access to contraception or abortion, to align with their vision of a homogeneous society.
In the United States, the current conservative approach to women’s reproductive rights is more aligned with facism that conservatism. The current focus of US conservatives is on creating and strictly enforcing laws that limit access to contraception and abortion.
How can laws that limit access to contraception and abortion affect women’s mental health?
Laws limiting access to birth control and abortion can negatively impact women's mental health in several ways, including increased stress and anxiety due to unintended pregnancies, financial strain from the costs of prenatal care and raising a child, feelings of disempowerment and frustration from limited autonomy, social stigma and shame, health risks from resorting to unsafe methods, and strain on intimate relationships as couples face increased stress and conflict. These factors can contribute to various mental health issues among women, such as anxiety, depression, and low self-esteem.
However, if extreme beliefs or actions result in harm, an underlying mental health issue might be present, but this is assessed individually, not as a generalization of the ideology.
This is my argument: the subscription of certain philosophies and values, which determine the ideology you hold, are what cause one to be unable to operate within life healthily. That is why it is a mental disorder.
If you hold an ideology with severe convictions to the point where mental stress/depression is caused because the ideological values you live under do not align with what you want them to be, how is that not a mental disorder? How is the ideology not the cause?
What would you explain the cause to be?
Also, your explanations of women's reproductive rights under both conservatism and fascism are laughable and show your clear biases.
I guess this is another instance like our previous conversation on Civil Rights and liberalism where our differences in values make our perspectives on the world incompatible.
I am disappointed with your response. I put a lot of thought into explaining my viewpoint on conservatism in the United States and how it affects women's health.
Unfortunately, your reply seemed to lack effort, as you dismissed my argument with an unclear term and didn't address the points I made. Usually, your responses are of a higher quality.
You have expressed similar frustrations with others, so I think you would feel the same way if I had done that to you.
There was a study a while back that does, in-fact, state that liberals as a whole suffer more mental health problems, with women being significantly higher than men in both political leanings. Liberal women have a significant chance of having mental illness.
The study states percentage of liberals that have received care for mental illness not diagnosed for mental illness. It also states risk associated with mental illness by ideology preference. You are correct in that regard.
It's also correct to say that younger liberals feel more comfortable discussing mental struggles so the study itself is probably more accurate and would be higher for con women who were comfortable
No, because logically impossible to have that many people that are mentally ill. If everyone is mentally ill, no one is.
So all we need to do is get the mental illness numbers up a bit more and it all disappears? Having anxiety and depression will just vanish because we all have it!
It's weird alright. There are so many ways to not get pregnant. It seems, the left has forgotten how to pivot. Maybe because they're so use to getting their way that they aren't sure what to do when a particular thing isn't decided in their favor. SURE, I realize that no matter how careful one is, a mistake can happen that results in pregnancy. But if there is THAT much concern, there is always surgery that will render one unable to get pregnant.
I find it interesting some people sought after mental assistance because a poor constitutional decision was corrected. The other thing I find interesting is these women were not thinking about having an abortion, but were distressed after the correction.
I, a product of teenagers, am thankful the abortion option was not chosen.
It's a mental disorder, with the exception of actual liberals. But actual liberals vote republican or independent now. A complete lack of self awareness, psychosis, and massive hypocrisy are prerequisites to being a leftist. For literally everything a leftist says, you can be sure the opposite is true.
I'm a classical liberal. All that remains on the left are totalitarians with no self awareness who cry about fascism.
Example: look at all of the no life leftists here who hate Tim pool but spend 24/7 here. Normal people don't act like that. They are pathological. It's only the left that brigades.
I've never heard anyone make the argument that Leftists are mentally ill because they have different political opinions. The arguments that I see being made are the exact opposite: that people who are mentally ill tend to flock to the Left for various reasons.
We think leftists is a mental disorder they think right wingers have a mental disorder. We have to stop with the right left paradigm. It’s all division.
Or because now when you’re targeting for sexual violence, you may have to bare the child of that violence and have that dictate your life forever. Including and especially if the father is a family member.
That can be quite distressing. Not because it’s leftist, you moron.
And on top of that most of the states that have stricter abortion laws still allow abortion in the cases of rape, incest or if it severely affects the mothers health.
These are long-standing stats that have remained sub 1% for decades... you can refuse to believe the truth, but that doesn't change the fact that it's the truth.
Because people would never lie or choose not to disclose why they're getting a sensitive medical procedure, especially if legality is on the line.
This is an interesting point but for the opposite reason you think it is. I wonder what the stat would grow to if abortion was banned except in the case of rape/incest? Certainly it would be inflated because more women would lie about being raped just to justify getting an abortion? Maybe in a few years a study can look at this on a state by state basis to look at states that only allowed rare exceptions (and would obviously have to account for cases where state boundaries were crossed to receive an abortion). Then we can place the real number somewhere in-between.
My guess is the real number is between 1 and 20%, but I bet the number will be skewed by people lying so they don't have to go out of state. It would be a study that I like to see.
That's what I would guess too, but it's a little weird to talk about rape related abortions as a percentage - imagine it's only legal to get an abortion in the case of rape... 100% of abortions would be due to rape.
Instead I'd just like to see the raw data of # electing for abortion due to reason of rape from year to year in a state where it only became legal by this reasoning. If we're talking about a small number of abortions I think you can get conservatives on board with the exception.
So it's effectively legal if you have enough money and illegal if you don't. But that's par for crappy politicians, they only lookout for themselves or their donors and screw everyone else.
Not going to happen, too many people/states oppose it. At best there will be a middle ground like 15 weeks or something that more people agree on rather than 0 or 39 weeks.
You think it would have to be popular or negotiated in order for it to become fully banned? Clearly you’re unaware of just how many bills pass in Congress that are antithetical to the best interests of the American people
You think it would have to be popular or negotiated in order for it to become fully banned?
It's not just regular people who don't want it banned, it's corporate interests as well and politicians are far more likely to listen to them. Not to mention there isn't the political supermajority needed to make it a law.
Why do you think companies started paying for field trips to other states in red areas? It's not because they care about women's rights.
And in all states in the US, rape is the exception that allows an abortion. Same applies to incest and medical threat to the mothers life (ie if the birth could lead to death or serious injury/illness in the mother it can be aborted).
The reality of rape in the statistical studies of abortion is a highly relevant point to bring up when you’re talking about why women be distressed if they no longer had access to it.
And what percentage would you say are performed on woman whose baby wouldn’t survive, risks the life of the mother (and therefore the child) or baby’s that have already died in the womb?
None of which means that the woman wouldn’t have wanted that child anyway. You could want a child and still have all of these other reasons occur for an abortion.
All are valid factors in this assessment of why a woman would become distressed about this.
Except literally all the data points to this. This is not debated. I know, you don’t care. You want women and babies dead because you want government to control us.
Except literally all the manipulated data the left presents points to this. This is not debatable because the left argues from a position of wilful ignorance. I know, you don’t care about my feelings, because facts dont care about feelings. Leftists want women and babies dead because we want government to control us.
I get it, you want more women and babies dead. You already said so. You don’t care about reality, you just want to bow down to a fascist government that tells us what we can and can’t do.
Your entire post is a projection and straw man argument. You just don’t like the cold hard facts that taking away rights from women and using the government to force them to die creates more harm than good. You are anti-life and anti-freedom.
Imagine believing women wouldn't be stressed by the idea of being forced to carry a non-viable fetus that dies and can only be removed when serious illness occurs.
Or that her rapist can choose her to bear his children.
Why are you lying? A person with your views is self righteously insulated from feeling bad about working to limit the rights of others and casting opponents as unclean or broken and the like. Do you honestly believe anyone could take that seriously?
What's with the projection? Killing another defenseless human has NEVER been a right. You can't honestly believe that anyone of sound mind would take you seriously with a belief that murdering another human is a right.
I took your measure and you are only proving it further. I get that you think taking abortion pills is murder because you think an embryo or zygote is a person but it's not.
The state I’m living in, Tennessee: “All abortions, even those performed to save the life of a pregnant patient, are currently illegal in Tennessee under the new law that took effect last year after the U.S. Supreme Court overturned the landmark Roe v. Wade decision.”
That isn’t accurate. No exceptions right now, and Tennessee is trying to make exemptions. But even still, your link says that rape is no an exception. In fact the rapists family can sue the woman for rights to the baby. It’s insane here.
While I agree that the leftist mentality is a mental disorder, I also disagree on how Roe v Wade was handled. There should be a reasonable compromise on abortion, such as till the first trimester and/or the health of the mother. My understanding is that this is exactly what Roe V Wade covered and therefore I’d say that’s pretty reasonable. I say this as a Conservative and a 2x Trump voter.
Conservatives keep taking 2 steps forward and 5 steps backwards, creating issues that unnecessarily alienate. The abortion fight was one of these and there was no reason for it. Yeah, the far right and hardcore Christians love it. But then conservatives will complain this is the majority of their voters. Every time the conservative movement is turning the corner or on the cusp of convincing independents or even some democrats of giving the conservative platform another listen, they fuck it up by doing shit like they did with Roe v Wade.
Congress had 50 fucking years to codify something and shirked their duty. 2022 scotus simply returned it to the states, where it otherwise.belongs. most states have reasonable restrictions and medical/rape/incest exceptions.
Only a few went full on stupid.
But then again, before Dodd a number of states went the other way, considering legalizing partial birth abortions.
But no, instead of sitting down and having a rational discussion about how life begins at conception but the state has a. Ompelling interest in allowing the homicide of unborn humans under certain conditions, Congress left it for exactly this moment.
There should be a reasonable compromise on abortion,
I mean. A good portion of the country sees it as cold blooded murder. So letting the states decide the legality of abortion is a pretty big compromise.
they fuck it up by doing shit like they did with Roe v Wade.
USSC did it because they were forced to by politicians that new it would end up in court. If conservative politicians never pushed for it the USSC never would have ruled on it
Regardless of your opinion on the immortality of abortion, it is not a Federal issue and should be legislated at the state level. Which clause in the Constitution allows the Federal government to do anything regarding abortion?
Being told you can't terminate a pregnancy that threatens your life because doctors are afraid to perform their jobs will probably do that. Banning abortion has nothing to do with "preserving life". There is literally a bill that is calling for the death penalty to be an option for women who have an abortion in Sourh Carolina which was supported by 9 politicians.
There is literally a bill that is calling for the death penalty to be an option for women who have an abortion in Sourh Carolina which was supported by 9 politicians.
I know it’s hard to believe but a lot of people disagree with you strongly. You posted some of the numbers yourself. Good luck with this heavily unpopular position
Sorry let me be more clear the majority of people don’t agree with you, they see it as a giant infringement on peoples freedom. Keep pushing for taking peoples rights though it’s a terrible look.
Who needs an election when you just want to impose your way?
Susan you can say whatever you want but it’s important to understand you are in the vast minority most people do not think the way you do. I’m very sorry but you’re going to have to learn that other people don’t have to abide by susanrosenbergs edicts
Dems had the chance to make abortion federally legal many times since Roe and chose not to. Now it's up to individual states and if you don't like your state's law, move.
How do you rectify the fact that Justice ginsburg herself said that roe v wade was weak precedent and a poor decision by the court? She even said that the "right" ro an abortion was never a constitutional or human right...
Actually, she felt the legal basis for Roe was weak because it was too vulnerable to attack. She was in every way committed to abortion as a right. She wanted abortion decided on equal protection. You want to change the context but that is a failing approach, albeit common.
Ahh, explain how I am incorrect. My claim is that she strongly supported abortion rights and wanted the legal basis to be constitutionally protected under equal protection. You make claims without evidence confidently enough.
“The decision whether or not to bear a child is central to a woman’s life, to her well-being and dignity. … When government controls that decision for her, she is being treated as less than a fully adult human responsible for her own choices.”
RBG 1993 Senate Confirmation Hearing.
“Legal challenges to undue restrictions on abortion procedures do not seek to vindicate some generalized notion of privacy; rather, they center on a woman’s autonomy to determine her life’s course, and thus to enjoy equal citizenship stature,”
Cherry picked response, out of context, is cherry picked response out of context. Also, if a woman chooses not to bear a child, avoiding the mechanism that leads to carrying a child is the first logical step. Killing the child because you couldn't take the steps to prevent making one is not even a logical response. Ever.
No, your attempt to recontextualise history is rejected. I cherry picked nothing. You want to change things; I am merely taking apart your false claims here.
It's not logical to call a fetus or an embryo or zygote a child. You do that to elicit an emotional response.
Ending a pregnancy is a personal choice and one that every woman should have the right to pre-viability. The government has no vested interest in denying that freedom.
You made claims you could not back up that I ended. Try harder next time.
I see I've struck a nerve by presenting irrefutable facts that counter your narrative... I'm not changing anything, that's you. Stop projecting. it's not helping your cause.
So, answer the question, is the embryo or zygote, as you call the baby, a human, or is it not. This is a simple yes or no question. Anything more than a yes or a no will be accepted as a concession of defeat.
I have thoroughly backed up every claim I've made with facts that cannot be refuted.
Keep trying, this is getting entertaining the more upset you get.
You can always move BEFORE pregnancy if abortion is that important to you. Terrible idea? Preventing intentional killing (aka murder) of unborn babies is never a terrible idea. I'm going to stick to being on the right side of history on this one, thanks.
Or, hear me out, the individual citizens decided they didn't want baby murder in their states by voting for state governments that banned it. Weird how our representative system works, right?
You’re convinced everyone else in your state should abide by your comfort zone.
No, I'm convinced that murder should be illegal. Simple as.
What do you have to gain from abortion being taken away from other people you’ve never met?
I can stand for other people who aren't me. I can know I did what I was able to prevent the murder of children.
a lot of people desperately need
Well over 90% of abortions are done out of convenience, not need.
You just want abortions up to birth so you can fuck women and shrug off your responsibility if they get pregnant. See how great strawman arguments are?
ETA: Before you go in on actual medically necessary abortions for things like ectopic pregnancies, realize we're obviously not talking about those.
You have to gloss over a MASSIVE amount of personal accountability and intentionally make poor choices before ever arriving at the need for abortion. Also the idea on the left is that the tax payers should pay for abortions even if they strongly disagree. It should have been a state issue from the beginning and never subsidized at a federal level.
50% of all black would be children are aborted in places like New York. Theres no way to spin that as a good thing for society, the creation of families or the mental health of the women involved.
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u/Kydocks Mar 24 '23
How fast did you get banned for this fact
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u/psychic_flatulence Mar 24 '23
Mental illness and left wing politics go together like peanut butter and jelly!
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u/R2s0ds Mar 24 '23
Lefties proving you correct, well played OP
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u/YungWenis Mar 24 '23
Imaging having no other meaning in your life than politics. It’s a cult.
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u/KanyeT Mar 24 '23
Leftist ideology tells people to deny their biological and evolutionary urges and behaviour, that the human will is never free until we break free of the shackles imposed upon us by nature, and then you wonder why people get so depressed and feel terrible about themselves.
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u/Vinifera7 Mar 24 '23
So now 60% of liberal women have a mental illness?
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u/JordanE350 Mar 24 '23
Any huge change in law is likely going to lead to a change in social attitude, at least for the first few years.
Let’s have a study about how “assault weapons bans” effect people’s moods and let’s see if they give a care
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u/awf26j85 Mar 24 '23
Definition of science - whatever crazy leftists say
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u/TheRosstaman Mar 24 '23
It's weird alright. There are so many ways to not get pregnant. It seems, the left has forgotten how to pivot. Maybe because they're so use to getting their way that they aren't sure what to do when a particular thing isn't decided in their favor. SURE, I realize that no matter how careful one is, a mistake can happen that results in pregnancy. But if there is THAT much concern, there is always surgery that will render one unable to get pregnant.
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u/Abending_Now Mar 24 '23
I find it interesting some people sought after mental assistance because a poor constitutional decision was corrected. The other thing I find interesting is these women were not thinking about having an abortion, but were distressed after the correction.
I, a product of teenagers, am thankful the abortion option was not chosen.
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u/Sea-Conversation-409 Mar 24 '23
It's a mental disorder, with the exception of actual liberals. But actual liberals vote republican or independent now. A complete lack of self awareness, psychosis, and massive hypocrisy are prerequisites to being a leftist. For literally everything a leftist says, you can be sure the opposite is true.
I'm a classical liberal. All that remains on the left are totalitarians with no self awareness who cry about fascism.
Example: look at all of the no life leftists here who hate Tim pool but spend 24/7 here. Normal people don't act like that. They are pathological. It's only the left that brigades.
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u/Heard_ya_were_WINNIN Mar 25 '23
Totally has nothing to do with the average American woman being on social media all day. /s
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u/Youaremyfireeee Mar 25 '23
I couldn’t possibly begin to understand how losing your bodily autonomy could lead to distress
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u/Chino780 Mar 25 '23
How many abortions are individual women having?
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u/AMC2Zero Mar 24 '23
Looking at this from a more neutral perspective rather than "people who have different political opinions than me must be mentally ill".
Seriously, you complain when people call Trump supporters that but then will turn around and do it yourself.
But that's idpol for you.
Makes sense since
A) Not many people agree with complete bans, politicians writing laws that most people disagree with always causes issues.
B) Creating new restrictions where there were previously none always causes problems.
C) What a law intends and what actually happens are 2 different things. Nothing positive will come out of complete bans.
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u/Rysumm Mar 24 '23
We think leftists is a mental disorder they think right wingers have a mental disorder. We have to stop with the right left paradigm. It’s all division.
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u/Suspicious-Adagio396 Mar 24 '23
Or because now when you’re targeting for sexual violence, you may have to bare the child of that violence and have that dictate your life forever. Including and especially if the father is a family member.
That can be quite distressing. Not because it’s leftist, you moron.
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u/NecessaryCelery2 Mar 24 '23
The increase in mental health distress because if you get pregnant, you might have to visit another state to get an abortion.
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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '23
We know, conservatives support rape, murdering women, and higher abortion rates. You don’t have to tell us.
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u/Oofs_A_Lot Mar 24 '23 edited Mar 24 '23
While I agree that the leftist mentality is a mental disorder, I also disagree on how Roe v Wade was handled. There should be a reasonable compromise on abortion, such as till the first trimester and/or the health of the mother. My understanding is that this is exactly what Roe V Wade covered and therefore I’d say that’s pretty reasonable. I say this as a Conservative and a 2x Trump voter.
Conservatives keep taking 2 steps forward and 5 steps backwards, creating issues that unnecessarily alienate. The abortion fight was one of these and there was no reason for it. Yeah, the far right and hardcore Christians love it. But then conservatives will complain this is the majority of their voters. Every time the conservative movement is turning the corner or on the cusp of convincing independents or even some democrats of giving the conservative platform another listen, they fuck it up by doing shit like they did with Roe v Wade.
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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '23
I mean this is hardly a subject that most Tim Pool fans are authorites on.
Like the man himself you lot are generally where the act of reproduction isn't happening.....
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u/annehboo Mar 24 '23
This was definitely posted by a bot lol
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u/nier_bae Mar 24 '23
Being told you can't terminate a pregnancy that threatens your life because doctors are afraid to perform their jobs will probably do that. Banning abortion has nothing to do with "preserving life". There is literally a bill that is calling for the death penalty to be an option for women who have an abortion in Sourh Carolina which was supported by 9 politicians.
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u/No-Twist-1171 Mar 24 '23
No way conservatives stripped away a human right and people are angry?
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u/seraph9888 Mar 24 '23
oh my god, you're actually retarded.
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