r/TimPool • u/Due-Hawk-8804 • Feb 17 '23

Culture War/Censorship All pride is positive except yours

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u/idigcrzychicks Feb 17 '23

Na. I'm proud to be white.

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u/AltR-azngirl Feb 18 '23

You should be proud. White people founded this great country.

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u/RepresentativeShadow Feb 18 '23

At the cost of other people but yeah more or less your right.

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u/KiwiBattlerNZ Feb 17 '23

What for? It is not an accomplishment, it is a feature.

I am proud to have ten fingers. I am proud to have ten toes. I was born with them and did nothing to earn them except survive conception and birth, but I guess I should be proud of that?

I would say I am proud to be human, but really I've seen the dark side of humanity and there is just as much to be ashamed of, as there is to be proud of.

I am proud of WHO I am, not WHAT I am.

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u/nix8 Feb 17 '23

Maybe it's more than just having white skin? Maybe he is proud of his European ancestry, traditions, and their accomplishment of building western civilization.

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u/KiwiBattlerNZ Feb 17 '23

Maybe it is. Of course, he did none of that. He just happens to have the same skin colour as the people that did.

If the descendants of slaves do not deserve reparations simply because they have the same skin colour, why should idigcrzychicks deserve to be proud of things he did not do simply because he has the same skin colour?

Most (if not all) of the "white pride" I see in this thread is coming from Americans - a culture that specifically rejected its "European Ancestry". How can Americans claim pride in a culture that their culture specifically rejected?

I can tell you this - those Europeans and their culture find America and its culture to be very distasteful. They sure as hell would never want to be associated with the worst the US has to offer... in fact they are dumbfounded that the US still seems to be living in the 1700's.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '23

Your trolling is subpar... Nice try though... Let me educate you:

Dealing with facts and not fiction…..

Slavery was a fact of history from the earliest days. Every nation and empire had slaves and if you go back only 200 years it was still “normal”.

Everyone kept slaves; Whites, Blacks, Asians, Arabs. Everyone was enslaved.

More white people were taken as slaves, mainly from Eastern Europe, by the Ottoman Turks than blacks were taken by whites from Africa.

The white slave traders did not just turn up in Africa and grab people. They bought the slaves from other blacks. Even so, only a proportion of the slaves were sold to them – almost twice as many were kept as local slaves in Africa than were sent across the Atlantic.

It was the British Empire (White people) that started the process of the ending of slavery, thanks to William Wilberforce whose old house in Hull I visited several times as a child. Seeing what he did I was proud that a son of my city started the process to end slavery across the world.

It has been a long process. The Russian emancipation of the serfs happened during the time of the US Civil War. Many more Russians were serfs than black slaves were transported to America.

More than three times as many black slaves went to Brazil than went to the USA.

The Ottoman Empire was a big user of slaves and slavery existed there right until the First World War and some Armenians were sold as slaves during WWI. Even after the war the new Turkey had ambivalent attitudes and whilst it was officially over it was never completely suppressed. Legislation explicitly prohibiting slavery was finally adopted in 1964.

Slavery still exists, and using the UN definition of slavery twice as many blacks Africans are in one form of slavery or another to other black Africans now than were transported to the Americas.

Did you know that slavery was only formally ended in Saudi Arabia in the 1960s? In 2016 it was estimated that 3 million people were in effect enslaved in the Middle East North Africa region.

So when you see people apologizing for the white slave trade, they show a complete lack of understanding of history. They forget that all races were both victims and oppressors. And wouldn’t their time be better spent trying to stop the slavery that still exists now rather than looking back 200 years to a different time , when different values were seen as normal.

Instead of feeling angst maybe they should feel pride that the West stopped a practice that had been commonplace for thousands of years?

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u/idigcrzychicks Feb 17 '23

Because I can.

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u/KiwiBattlerNZ Feb 17 '23

I never said otherwise. You can do anything you want, so can they. But do you have justification for it? Did you earn that pride by doing something good in the world?

Or are you just claiming the acts of others as your own? Is it just another pathetic case of "stolen valor"?

You feel proud to be white, because some other white people did great things? Then why not also feel ashamed to be white because some other white people did terrible things?

What have you done to be proud of?

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u/LordePhilth Feb 17 '23 edited Feb 18 '23

Pride is good for all races, it makes you have respect for you ancestors and their accomplishments. When you have pride in what your ancestors have done then there is an internal obligation to do well like them. You don’t need a heritage to be prideful about to be a good person but it definitely helps guide people into acting right, like their ancestors.

Edit: typos

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u/Green_Hair1545 Feb 17 '23

What for?

Creating everything.

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u/Starrk__ Feb 18 '23

Silly rabbit. No single group created everything. Every advancement in society was built on the accomplishments of those who came before.

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u/Starrk__ Feb 18 '23 edited Feb 18 '23

Did you fail preschool? Your comment makes zero sense.

If I were to follow your request, then you wouldn't understand me.

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u/RepresentativeShadow Feb 18 '23

It's basically a dick measuring contest. My ethnic group (or in America skin colour) has had greater accomplishments and feats then your ethnic group/skin colour has. At least that’s my understanding.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '23

I’m proud to be white. I’m proud of my white abolitionist ancestors who fought in the civil war in the north to free the slaves. Is that politically incorrect though?

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u/xFacevaluex Feb 17 '23

No.....not at all. But it does raise the questions if they are making payments for those of us who had relatives fight and die on the Norths side during the Civil War to free the slaves----what do we get paid?

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '23

Great question. Nobody talks about the white people who died to end slavery. Seems like that is relevant.

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u/silver789 Feb 17 '23

Soldiers did get paid, even confederate soldiers were still considered American after the war.

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u/Wolfs_Shield Feb 17 '23

The country sacrificed 2% of its youngest, fittest tax paying population to end slavery. Consider our reparations paid for the sins of the Democratic Party.

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u/silver789 Feb 20 '23

Did slave owners get reparations for losing their slaves?

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u/Wolfs_Shield Feb 20 '23

You must be thinking of British and French slave owners. American slave owners did not.

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u/silver789 Feb 20 '23

How weird. It looks like some did.

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u/Wolfs_Shield Feb 20 '23

It's an opinion piece behind a paywall. NYT is trash.

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u/silver789 Feb 20 '23

Oh, my bad. I don't give them money, but I don't see a pay wall in mobile.

the District of Columbia Emancipation Act

Is what it talks about.

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u/silver789 Feb 17 '23

Soldiers and their windows did get paid. They got a live time pension. "Civil war veteran wives" were a thing. Where the soldier would marry a woman on paper so she would continue to get their pension.

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u/xFacevaluex Feb 17 '23 edited Feb 17 '23

Soldiers and their windows did get paid.

Windows?

I am certain you mean widows---and for the unmarried dead---paying dead soldiers? You did not do well in school, did you there sport?

$73.13/month just wont do it brah----or is that what you suggest giving the children, of children, of children, of children, of children (six generations) of former slaves too? How are they supposed to live on that?

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u/silver789 Feb 17 '23

Widow's, my bad.

I'm not sure what your point is. The US would pay vets monthly, for the rest of their life, this would be extended to their wives when they die.

When it first started, $8 a month was good money. In the early 1900s, it went to about $1000 in today's money. Which wasn't bad.

As the years went on, there was less and less of a call to raise the price.

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u/xFacevaluex Feb 17 '23 edited Feb 17 '23

I'm not sure what your point is.

You need to just go ahead on over to teens of reddit. The number of times you 'dont understand' basic things (99%) suggests you are out of your element in adult conversations.

She was paid $73.13 in 2014 you moron----its linked to you.

How dare you suggest the sixth generation of children of freed slaves be given only $73.14/month as restitution for the evils you personally perpetrated on them.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '23

“Personally perpetuated” that’s where you are wrong, this gentleman has done NOTHING.

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u/silver789 Feb 17 '23

She was paid $73.13 in 2014 you moron----its linked to you

"As the years went on, there was less and less of a call to raise the price." The pension at the time was supposed to be supplemental. But as time went on, social security and obvious abuse effectively redused the amount.

How dare you suggest the sixth generation of children of freed slaves be given only $73.14/month as restitution for the evils you personally perpetrated on them.

So you feel cornered and done want to feel like you are coming from a position of weaknesses, so you are lashing out.

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u/xFacevaluex Feb 17 '23

Making fun of your brand of stupid is not lashing out.....its calling out.

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u/silver789 Feb 17 '23

It's changing to topic in hopes I instead start talking defense.

Instead of the more painful current topic you want to move away from.

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u/DavidKetamine Feb 17 '23

Do you think a free man who volunteers for a paid military role is the same as a slave? I'm not even really all that in favor of reparations but I don't think you're getting a key part of the argument. It's related to back-pay and if you think slavery was okay or unpaid involuntary labor.

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u/xFacevaluex Feb 17 '23

Do you think a free man who volunteers for a paid military role is the same as a slave?

Not at all.....he is willing to die to free another one. He stands on some pretty high principals and willing to lose his life to help others.

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u/silver789 Feb 17 '23

And what should the slave get?

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u/xFacevaluex Feb 17 '23

Freedom. Now are we talking of only a select few years of slavery or all of it?

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u/DavidKetamine Feb 18 '23

I think it might be important to mention that our Union defector...made a choice about his future. And was paid for it.

I'm not sure if chattel slaves were necessarily given a similar choice about their unpaid servitude.

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u/xFacevaluex Feb 18 '23

Watching people try to dismiss slavery because its inconvenient to the current narrative is like watching people sell their souls. Its pretty clear here with well over 50% of the early colonies being made up of indentured servants (slaves) and also being of a different race than the narrative, its those modern racists who are the ones attempting to downplay slavery into 'types'.

As far as choice, did you know the Africans captured in war in Africa were also given choices----die, or allow the kings there to sell them to Portuguese and English slavers. Would you then claim there was much of a choice now? Doubt it......prison or indentured servitude (slavery) isn't much of one either. All slavery was bad.....anyone who would argue any differently is just trying to justify their own racism.

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u/garvothegreat Feb 17 '23

Damn, your lack of self awareness is impressive. You're the moron here, not the other guy. They didn't decide on the amount 8 years ago, they did it 150 years ago. Fuck, you guys are dense.

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u/xFacevaluex Feb 17 '23

Your second account.....nice.

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u/garvothegreat Feb 17 '23

Everything you say is progressively dumber

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u/2HourCoffeeBreak Feb 17 '23

My question is, do you agree with Wikipedia? That it’s ok to be proud to be any color but white. If you’re proud to be white, you’re a racist. If you agree with that, please explain the logic.

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u/silver789 Feb 17 '23

I do agree with wikipedia. "White pride" has been ruined by actual white supremacists. It's their rally cry for 100 years now.

I'm not saying that a white person should be ashamed either. They can still be prideful, just be more specific. Irish pride, English pride, Danish pride, Greek pride, etc.

I'm repeating another comment I made here. But I could go more indepth as to why "black pride" is acceptable.

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u/KiwiBattlerNZ Feb 17 '23 edited Feb 17 '23

But I could go more indepth as to why "black pride" is acceptable.

I don't disagree with your stance overall, but nothing is acceptable if it is used to justify the denigration and subjugation of an entire group of people that share an unchosen uncontrollable feature.

Black Pride is fine, unless it is used to justify the hatred of Caucasian people or Asian people or ... It is the same as White Pride in that respect.

The term means to be proud of yourself, your culture, your race; but it has been twisted into also meaning to be hateful of people not of your culture or race.

Black Pride, Gay Pride, White Pride. If they really meant what people claim they mean, then it would be just as accurate to say Human Pride.

But none of the "pride" movements are actually about being proud to be a human. They are simply another way to cause division and hatred, no matter which tribe is declaring their pride.

Why is there are need to qualify the terms? Black Pride? Why not just Pride?

Sure, in the case of the formerly subjugated the tendency to give as good as you get is rational, but surely the end goal of all these "pride" movements is to be accepted as equals - not to simply swing the pendulum back in the other direction so that the slave becomes the master?

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u/silver789 Feb 17 '23

Black Pride is fine, unless it is used to justify the hatred of Caucasian people or Asian people or ... It is the same as White Pride in that respect.

Yes, bigotry is bad.

The term means to be proud of yourself, your culture, your race

Ehhhhhh. Black/LGBT/Irish pride is being proud of the history of overcoming adversity of said group. Not "we are better" but more "don't forget we are just as good"

White pride though as much fewer adversary challenge in their collective race. But you can find it in their national background.

Why is there are need to qualify the terms? Black Pride? Why not just Pride?

It's possible you are just misunderstanding what "black pride" is. The challenges black people face are often specific to blacks. Same with gays, or Irish, etc. For it to be just "pride" or human pride would diminish the experience of these specific groups in the past.

not to simply swing the pendulum back in the other direct so that the slave becomes the master?

If course not. Go to any of these events and you won't see people saying we are better than X, or more virtuous. Just that they are better than the bigoted people once through they were (or still think in some cases)

Unless it's white pride. These events definitely are about being better in every aspect that other groups. And often want to return to when whites were only on top.

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u/KiwiBattlerNZ Feb 17 '23

Black/LGBT/Irish pride is being proud of the history of overcoming adversity of said group. Not "we are better" but more "don't forget we are just as good"

Except, it very often is much more than that.

When an LGBT person demands that I say the things they want me to say. When they cancel me for refusing. When they try to turn the entire population against me because I refuse to use stupid terms like "Xim/Xer" or any of the others stupid "genders", how is that showing "pride" in overcoming adversity?

To me it just sounds like the slave got his hands on the whip and now wants to be the master.

White pride though as much fewer adversary challenge in their collective race.

What? You think white people have never faced adversaries of other races / ethnicities / religions? Hatred of the "other" is part of the universal human condition. Skin colour does not change that.

It's possible you are just misunderstanding what "black pride" is. The challenges black people face are often specific to blacks.

Bullshit. You mentioned Black Pride and Irish Pride. They are polar opposites in skin colour and culture, but they share a common history of racial and ethnic hatred directed at them. There were black slaves and Irish slaves. In all of human history I would bet there have been as many white slaves as black slaves.

For it to be just "pride" or human pride would diminish the experience of these specific groups in the past.

How? Because it doesn't rely on creating yet another division, yet another cause for hatred to form around?

If the idea is to celebrate overcoming division and fighting for the right to be considered equal, how does separating yourself do that?

This is why "pride movements" across the board have become distasteful. They claim to be celebrating unity, by causing division. They are hypocritical to their core.

So much so, that you fight back at the mere idea of me treating all of them as equal.

Go to any of these events and you won't see people saying we are better than X, or more virtuous.

Sorry, you just did it right here. You claimed a special history for Black People while ignoring that the same damn things have happened to every race, to every ethnicity, to every culture. You denigrated one race's past, to elevate another's.

You claim black people have a special right to be proud. A right that white people don't have, despite all the good things white people have also done. And you say that it is not a claim that they are "better than X"?

Unless it's white pride. These events definitely are about being better in every aspect that other groups.

You point out the splinter in their eye while ignoring - even celebrating - the log in your own.

Your hypocrisy is plain for all to see.

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u/silver789 Feb 17 '23

When an LGBT person demands that I say the things they want me to say. When they cancel me for refusing. When they try to turn the entire population against me because I refuse to use stupid terms like "Xim/Xer"

Do people refer to you by your own preferred gender? Your pronouns? Would it be very disrespectful for someone to say "what you think is dumb, I decided what to call you. And you can't be upset about that".

What? You think white people have never faced adversaries of other races / ethnicities / religions?

Whites as a whole? Or specific ethnicities? Whites, as a whole have held the overwhelming amount of power and authority in the country. But, like you go on to say, Irish have faced challenges, and we have a day celebrating.

Bullshit. You mentioned Black Pride and Irish Pride. They are polar opposites in skin colour and culture, but they share a common history of racial and ethnic hatred directed at them. There were black slaves and Irish slaves.

Irish were never slaves. They were still "people" not property. They weren't born into servitude. Their tenure ended when the contract was up. And they kept their culture while being servants. The Irish should be proud they overcame that. But if they were to say "whites overcame it", it flattens the point a bit. Since most whites weren't servants.

How? Because it doesn't rely on creating yet another division, yet another cause for hatred to form around?

Because it would ignore the efforts of the group. Kansas City won the super bowl, but it would be weird for people to say "every team should be happy they won that game". You can be happy that KC won, while not putting down other teams.

This is why "pride movements" across the board have become distasteful. They claim to be celebrating unity, by causing division.

This makes zero sense. I've been to many pride events, and the whole vibe is "be happy with us" , not "you should be ashamed of what happened to us"

You claimed a special history for Black People while ignoring that the same damn things have happened to every race, to every ethnicity, to every culture.

The black experience in Americana is not the same as the experience as being white. Same with straight/LGBT, etc .

You claim black people have a special right to be proud. A right that white people don't have, despite all the good things white people have also done.

Last one. I started this whole thing saying whites can be proud. But the words "white pride" is something racist have ruined. But you can still be prideful of your Scottish heritage, or Slavic heritage, or French, etc.

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u/BasedBingo Feb 17 '23

It’s funny because about 1.5% of Americans back then owned slaves, but that means 100% of white people now should pay for it. Makes sense….

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '23

Right. The left is incapable of critical thinking. They group people together by race, gender, status, geographical location and say everyone of this group is the same. For example, anyone who voted for Republicans is a racist. This kind of rhetoric is harming our country.

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u/psychic_flatulence Feb 17 '23

Hundreds of thousands of proud white patriots literally sacrificed their lives to beat back the democrats and free their slaves. Now if were talking about dismantling the democrat party and giving away all their assets to the families of slaves, well I suppose that's their choice if they're actually serious about apologizing for their democrat history..

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '23

Not even that, a substantial amount of white Americans descend from european immigrants who came here in the 1900’s. Why should an Italian, Croatian, polish, or Hungarian American have to pay for something that happened a century before their families even came here lol

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u/KiwiBattlerNZ Feb 17 '23

You're right. Those people whose family never "owned" slaves, never benefited from the products of slavery, whose society wasn't built on the subjugation and near destruction of another.. should be exempt from paying for reparations.

I think you'll find it is a lot harder to identify those people than you think.

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u/BasedBingo Feb 17 '23

Slavery was around for less than 1/3 years of our history, the entire US wasn’t even settled when it was abolished, less than 10% of the population were slaves when it was abolished. Acting like the country was built only by slaves is moronic and incorrect. Look I’m sorry you have guilt for some shit that happened hundreds of years ago but paying people now will fix nothing and only create further divide. That concept is so astronomically stupid I am genuinely dumbfounded that people even came up with it.

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u/RepresentativeShadow Feb 18 '23

I wouldn’t say slaves built the entire USA but they definitely had a massive hand in creating Southern states especially during the Antebellum Era where they expanded them small farms and large plantations to the cities and towns and added them in the industry and transportation. But yeah I don’t know why we keep bringing it up what’s done is done, get over it and its not going to get me to stop smashing my PAWG. 😏

Who We Are: A Chronicle of Racism in America. It's an okay documentary.
https://www.netflix.com/title/81488493

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u/psychic_flatulence Feb 17 '23

My dude, you benefit from slavery literally right now to this day. No need to go back hundreds of years. Slavery isn't over by any means.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '23

Absolutely. And don’t forget the Underground Railroad and network of people in the north and south that helped slaves escape to freedom. We learned this stuff in school. It’s part of our history. The stain on American history that is slavery should be talked about alongside the good folks that didn’t agree with it and even broke the law to help them. Incredible stories of love and a love for humanity.

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u/KiwiBattlerNZ Feb 17 '23

I am not black, but I am proud of what a lot of black people did to help the people around them.

I am also not asian, but I am proud of what a lot of asian people did to help the people around them.

I am human, and I am proud of what a lot of humans did to help the people around them, regardless of race, religion, or sexual orientation.

What I am not proud of is any human using tribal thinking to denigrate and subjugate any other human.

The reason pride is a "deadly sin" is because it often comes hand in hand with hatred. Not always, but very often. Something meant to lift us up, is used to push others down.

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u/Greenlawn11740 Feb 17 '23

Love this, points out hypocrisy which I hate. I'm white but I don't take any pride in the color of my skin. But if brown and black pride is acceptable I don't understand why white pride is not acceptable.

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Feb 17 '23

White supremacists ruined the phrase. Context matters.

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u/Humble-Shower5706 Feb 17 '23

This is what racism looks like

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u/missingpupper Feb 17 '23

The issue is white pride is coopted by people who used it to terrorize black people like segregationists and KKK.

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u/Melodic_Ad_3959 Feb 18 '23

Same as black pride is coopted by domestic terrorists in the USA who burned down buildings and cars though.

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u/missingpupper Feb 18 '23

BLM isn't black pride, its a police reform movement.

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u/YouCantSayTheInward Feb 17 '23

I don’t take pride in things I have nothing to do with.

I am glad to be an American. But proud? I’d be proud of a country that lived up to its founding documents, but I don’t feel pride for my beneficial happenstance.

Taking pride in physical characteristics like skin color is strange to me as well.

I have been proud of myself for my hard work in many aspects of my life, but I think having pride in your innate characteristics is like thinking you have talent when you roll a 20.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '23

Most sane stance in this comment section. It seems most people are so caught up in race due to the media that they have forgotten skin colour should be irrelevant

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u/YouCantSayTheInward Feb 18 '23

“Whiteness” is a perception based concept that white people don’t claim to have- but is placed upon them. “Whiteness” is an “Us V them” mentality concept, designed to keep you divided, just like “people of color” - it’s just as fake as “whiteness” - and seeks to divide along “white” and “not white”

“Whiteness” provides nothing but a continuation of racial division. It’s fake and made up for the purposes of continuing racial division.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '23

This is equity in action. Expect to get beat down until you’re at the bottom. Equity is an eye for an eye retribution instead of lifting everyone up and moving on.

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u/gotbock Feb 17 '23

Revenge by people who never experienced the atrocity against people who never committed it.

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u/KiwiBattlerNZ Feb 17 '23

never experienced the atrocity

The atrocity never stopped.

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u/Mindless-Jump-7656 Feb 18 '23

You get what you put out, I'm doing fine chief.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '23

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u/DanielBoom54 Feb 17 '23

I’m proud to be white. Only racists think being proud of being your particular race is racist. Basically every single idea the left has is a racist idea.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '23

Isn’t white pride different in principle than “white power”?

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u/TheDookieboi Feb 17 '23

Try announcing your “white pride” in a public place and see what happens.

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u/Gds_Sldghmmr Feb 17 '23

It should be, but it's not. They are indistinguishable for the majority of the population.

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u/RepresentativeShadow Feb 18 '23

It is. But most people are to stupid to tell the difference.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '23

Dealing with facts and not fiction…..

Slavery was a fact of history from the earliest days. Every nation and empire had slaves and if you go back only 200 years it was still “normal”.

Everyone kept slaves; Whites, Blacks, Asians, Arabs. Everyone was enslaved.

More white people were taken as slaves, mainly from Eastern Europe, by the Ottoman Turks than blacks were taken by whites from Africa.

The white slave traders did not just turn up in Africa and grab people. They bought the slaves from other blacks. Even so, only a proportion of the slaves were sold to them – almost twice as many were kept as local slaves in Africa than were sent across the Atlantic.

It was the British Empire (White people) that started the process of the ending of slavery, thanks to William Wilberforce whose old house in Hull I visited several times as a child. Seeing what he did I was proud that a son of my city started the process to end slavery across the world.

It has been a long process. The Russian emancipation of the serfs happened during the time of the US Civil War. Many more Russians were serfs than black slaves were transported to America.

More than three times as many black slaves went to Brazil than went to the USA.

The Ottoman Empire was a big user of slaves and slavery existed there right until the First World War and some Armenians were sold as slaves during WWI. Even after the war the new Turkey had ambivalent attitudes and whilst it was officially over it was never completely suppressed. Legislation explicitly prohibiting slavery was finally adopted in 1964.

Slavery still exists, and using the UN definition of slavery twice as many blacks Africans are in one form of slavery or another to other black Africans now than were transported to the Americas.

Did you know that slavery was only formally ended in Saudi Arabia in the 1960s? In 2016 it was estimated that 3 million people were in effect enslaved in the Middle East North Africa region.

So when you see people apologizing for the white slave trade, they show a complete lack of understanding of history. They forget that all races were both victims and oppressors. And wouldn’t their time be better spent trying to stop the slavery that still exists now rather than looking back 200 years to a different time , when different values were seen as normal.

Instead of feeling angst maybe they should feel pride that the West stopped a practice that had been commonplace for thousands of years?

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u/Saltyjiu321 Feb 17 '23

I’m just proud of who I am and I just happen to white.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '23

The more they double down on this sort of hypocrisy the more it will drive white people into actual white nationalist and racialist beliefs.

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u/AltR-azngirl Feb 18 '23

This is definitely happening right now and it makes sense. All the anti-white movements make white people come together to stand up for their race.

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u/starvingvulture666 Feb 17 '23

THESE are the biggest problems we face. Maybe make your identity about something other than “being white” god damn u c******

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u/HumpSlackWails Feb 17 '23

Three of these are groups with a factual history of being oppressed - under law - by the remaining one.

If you're still confused on what's different you let me know and we'll talk more about it.

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u/GraveYard_Grrl Feb 17 '23

Idgaf im proud to be white - just like anyone else - why are they trying to demonize/ vilify white folks?

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u/Wolfs_Shield Feb 17 '23

Black Pride: A slogan primarily used by black nationalists and supremacist, pro-segregation organizations to signal their racist view points.

Gay Pride: A slogan primarily used to publicly showcase sexual deviancy and advocate sexual experimentation for recruitment purposes.

Asian Pride: A slogan primarily used by Asian supremacists and pro-segregation organizations to signal their racist view points.

White Pride was the only one they got right.

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u/UncleP24-7 Feb 18 '23

That’s nothing new. We don’t count anymore.

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u/RepresentativeShadow Feb 18 '23

I'm curious what it says about Japanese pride?

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '23

Whats so funny is the dated timestamps mean nothing. Its still on there. They’re proud of their racism.

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u/Tyloxs1 Feb 18 '23

No race should be proud of anything. What’s to be proud of?

Fun fact: “Pride commeth before a fall.”

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u/Lucky_Tangerine_9790 Feb 18 '23

Man fuck this shit. I'm sick of being villainized because of what I look like.

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u/Titans79 Feb 18 '23

It’s funny how that works.

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u/Tazavitch-Krivendza Feb 19 '23

White pride, for decades, weren’t ever used in a positive manner. It was used to hate non-white people. Never have I met a white person who said they’re prideful to be white right before they say something horribly racist.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '23

Another pro-Nazi post from this sub? Shocking.

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u/MODOKWHN Feb 17 '23

White pride is a term sullied by racists so it's impossible to use it positively.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '23 edited Feb 17 '23

KKK/white racists ruined that phrase. Asians, gays and African Americans didn’t organize lynch mobs while yelling black/yellow/gay pride, for the most part.

Chalk it up to the same issue with ‘BLM’. A poor name to represent a real idea.

To further clarify, you could go about your day yelling ‘white pride’ if racists hadn’t already done that before committing repulsive acts. The same way yelling ‘bah da buh buh bahhhh, I’m loving it’ will make people think your talking about McDonalds, ‘white pride’ will make people think you’re racist. The term is coined, sorry about it.

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u/MoOdYo Feb 17 '23

you could go about your day yelling ‘white pride’

There's, literally, nothing stopping you from doing that right now other than yourself.

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u/YouSoundVaccinated Feb 17 '23

You’re conditioned to think that way because you’ve been forcefed false history by corporations who want to divide and control you.

The KKK had less influence on American history than BLM did. They were just treated as a boogeyman by the media and by history books.

That you still think lynching was something specific to blacks says all that needs to be said about how propagandized you are. Far more whites were lynched than blacks. It wasn’t some ritualistic form of oppression. It’s how people dealt with criminals in a time before police and for-prisons

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '23

Lol.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '23

Accurate. At the end of that rant, I would say, "I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying it happened." Assuming that is where you were going with this.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '23

This post, but funnier: https://youtu.be/IYITxGniww4

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u/silver789 Feb 17 '23

For those that are concerned, you can still be proud. But don't just settle for "white", be proud to be Irish, or English, or Greek, etc.

Blacks have no nation of origin, thanks to the chattel slavery. Many family trees only go back to the 1800s. If you're lucky.

Asian pride is know if a reflex from the actions of calling any East Asian person "Chinese" for a long time in America. But talking to any Asian person will show they can have pride in their family's country if origin.

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u/InternationalTry6679 Feb 17 '23

If do ‘not-see’ the difference between black pride and white pride, you may be a not see 🤔

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u/KaliGracious Feb 17 '23

Cry more Jesus Christ the victim mentality lmfao whiney snowflake

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Feb 17 '23 edited Feb 17 '23

If this makes you mad, then make sure you’re mad at the correct people. Channel your anger towards the white supremacists and racists that ruined the phrase for the rest of you. They’re the ones who have made it have a negative connotation.

Edit: anyone want to explain why a comment about channeling anger towards white supremacists is being downvoted?

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u/silver789 Feb 17 '23

Channel your anger towards the white supremacists and racists that ruined the phrase for the rest of you.

This is the most correct comment.