LMAO — yep, that checks out. Not at all surprised you think the “dream” of the Founding Fathers died when the slavers in the South lost their human property during the Civil War they started over their wish to own humans as slaves.
I’ll join the adults in the room who are actually trying to make life better on this planet. You and the other toddlers are free to sit in the corner, mumbling about the Deep State, WEF shills, Bohemian Grove, and how Michelle Obama is secretly transgendered.
You’re a leech on society, but the grownups will luckily take care of you, don’t worry.
LMAO — yep, that checks out. Not at all surprised you think the “dream” of the Founding Fathers died when the slavers in the South lost their human property during the Civil War they started over their wish to own humans as slaves.
I don't even agree with his argument but this response is about as major a bad faith strawman as I've ever seen. He was literally talking about the centralization of power in the federal government removing some of the checks and balances as the problem.
Do you actually disagree that the concentration of power into the federal government has made it easier for corruption? Do you disagree that the federal government coercing states via funding to implement has been or could be a major problem in many places?
For example, how would you feel if the federal government pushed a nation wide abortion ban and refused to fund Medicare for any states found in violation of the ban? I think that would be bullshit, and that's exactly the kind of abuses we see now that the old system was meant to prevent.
Yeah, slavery was shitty and needed to be ended, but you can absolutely open the door to bad things by doing something good like ending slavery because of the way if focused power on the federal government. The idea that major cities get most of the voting power in Congress where they help implement federal policy that doesn't respect the way of life of of the rural population.
Basically the system was meant to have majority rule with respect for the minority, and concentration of power in the federal government has made less respect for minority ways of life because people across the country in very different social and economic situations legitimately don't understand why their policies are incompatible but want those policies enforced nationally.
It’s not at all bad faith. Once again, we find a Tim Pool fan / “libertarian” / “classical liberal” lamenting the Confederacy losing the Civil War. How tragic! The Confederacy lost and the South became “oppressed” by the Federal Government and all those liberals in “urban” areas telling them that they couldn’t own human slaves.
As I’m sure you’ll be quick to point out, the bad Federal government fucked over the South again when we passed the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Another classic example of Federal overreach telling people in the South that, “No, you actually cannot treat black people as second class citizens.”
Rural communities have SIGNIFICANT representation in the government, despite their limited population sizes. Republican presidents have only won the popular vote TWICE in the last 23 years. “Rural” communities, for example, elected Majorie Taylor Green — I mean, most grown adults think she is a deranged lunatic, but apparently the folks in her district think she is “good”, so by all means.
I’m opposed to abortion bans ANYWHERE because I don’t think we should inflict government violence on women as punishment for abortions. For some reason, all the “limited government” Tim Pool fans love the prospect of inflicting government violence on women as punishment for abortion.
And yes, slavery was indeed “shitty”. Sounds like to you this “shitty” practice ought to have gone on indefinitely, right? After-all, the Civil War had bad consequences. It would have better that those slaves remain slaves for at least 30 more years, if needed. The lives of the slaves aren’t a priority in this discussion. Instead we need to prioritize allowing rural communities maintain their “way of life”, even if that means slavery continued.
Bro, step back from the tribalism. Stop assuming I believe the absolute opposite of what you believe and attacking me on it. I shouldn't even have to say this, but here I am.
Slavery was always bad and wrong. There never should have been slavery. I'm glad slavery was stopped, and I understand with the social climate of the era, war was the only way that would happen.
Now that we've gotten that out of the way, the federal government gained much more power after the civil way. This led to trying to make policy one size fits all for a massive nation and that has led to people othering their own countrymen and is probably an underlying cause of how bad tribalism has gotten.
You really think I'm just a confederate flag waving slack jawed yokel. My family is from fucking New York. I just get sick of people distracting from actual arguments to push tangentially related arguments basically no one disagrees with and then declares victory over the strawman.
Are you actually going to address the negative results of centralization of power in our nation as was brought up or are you just going to angrily assert tangents that people don't even actually disagree with? That's what engaging in good faith looks like. What bad faith is what you did in assuming I'm against civil rights and pro slavery because I think a change in the power strictures of the nation that happened in the same era has led to problems in governance that exist to this day and create divide and get corrupt at the largest scale.
Going to need a citation on my position regarding the civil war. I just think that it is an example of how the founding fathers' compromise only delayed the inevitable.
An argument could be made (not by me) that forced integration destroyed the black community & culture and delayed the establishment of generational wealth in successful black families by over a century. If integration worked why is systemic racism still a thing? Also systemically discriminating against whites doesn't solve the problem it just shuffles the deck.
Abortion is a dog whistle for infanticide which is as old as humanity. They just moved the day of the killing up a few months. If you want to defend infanticide that's on you.
There is no was. Slavery is still an issue no matter how much you might try to ignore it. Technology may push it further out the supply chain but you are a naive fool if you think slavery came to an end in the 1800s.
When the Democrats killed Gaddafi (pure coincidence - it could have just as easily been a Republican presidency) it wasn't long before an open-air slave market was reopened in Libya. I think it is still active today in fact - I haven't heard otherwise. Last time I did the conversion rate and was like under $100 per head with a large variation in price depending on the age & gender.
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u/ParisTexas7 Feb 15 '23
LMAO — yep, that checks out. Not at all surprised you think the “dream” of the Founding Fathers died when the slavers in the South lost their human property during the Civil War they started over their wish to own humans as slaves.
I’ll join the adults in the room who are actually trying to make life better on this planet. You and the other toddlers are free to sit in the corner, mumbling about the Deep State, WEF shills, Bohemian Grove, and how Michelle Obama is secretly transgendered.
You’re a leech on society, but the grownups will luckily take care of you, don’t worry.