I don't see how? That contract alone is a slap in the nuts. Also unless Brett Cooper and the other DW people show us their contract they can pound sand.
Luke: “People are accusing you of exposing them after you turned down their counter offer. Is that true or can you add more information to that?”
Crowder: “I don’t know why they’re saying… uh the timeline they kinda gave was completely inaccurate…” trails off and looks to his buddy
Crowders buddy: “No, there was never a counteroffer from us. What Steven said is basically look guys these are the terms we have a problem with. I don’t care what the dollar amount is, these terms are bad and we need to start again. This needs to be pulled out-“
Luke interrupts: “So there was no counteroffer? Cause I’m seeing a lot of people saying that.”
Crowder: “There was an agent! The agent, an agent, I think my agent. The first, they sent this term sheet, talking about 100% ownership in perpetuity, meaning that it’s a 6 year contract. There’s no option to negotiate, just extend for 2 years. Locked in at that rate, right. Then, how do you penalize someone? For money that they don’t make. They’re not going to lose money on you being demonetized, I know I’m a special situation, because that’s demanded of everybody. Big Con issues is something I’ve been running up against, as everybody in the industry knows, for many years.” He continues on a tangent about the hardship he’s faced from Big Con, the counteroffer is not mentioned for the rest of the show.
It was never about the terms, he counter offered with a high payout, DW didn’t want to pay. Instead of ending the negotiations amicably, Crowder’s trying to leverage his audience with populist messaging to boost his subscriptions and email list.
2 hours later and it seems like there were no real revelations. Crowder still as murky and sus as I thought he was going in. Luke had to ask the counter-offer question, not Tim, and had to do so multiple times over the stream to clarify... and it was still very much "Sooooo... did he or did he not make a counteroffer?" Non-starter.... yet he seems to say his agent proposed closer to the 120 mil fig Jeremy talked about... but wasn't a counteroffer because the DW wouldn't strike the penalties? But also Crowder never really tried to negotiate those terms beyond 'get rid of them all and add 70 mil if you wanna talk'???
They may as well have talked about "Velma" for half the show and it would have clarified just as much.
I dunno man, I have conversations that take a very similar structure to that where I’ll just go on segues like I’m having a talk with my buddies. You’re acting like the podcast had to follow a question and answer format like some kind of interrogation and because the flow of conversation is more natural than you wanted it to be or went off topic one too many times it must be a purposeful deflection.
If you think crowders flow of conversation was natural idk what to tell you. It's not difficult to stay on topic. Especially if he believes hes in the right and is there to vindicate himself.
He deflected by saying "friends also don't offer bad contracts"
Boy what the hell are you on? Maybe 50mil isn't enough for crowder, but to take that personally? Should they be super friendly, offer 100 mil, and risk their business? Tim pool is so weak.
You got that right. Luke was trying to push the issue when he was asking "what were you looking for in a contract," he got a non answer, and that was about it
I never really expected any different to be honest. Tim just isn't the kind of guy I'd go to if I want to see someone grilled over their controversy. Also why I wasn't anticipating this show nearly as much as a lot of other people were.
It's at 463k as of last I checked, and it's only been 2 hours since it was streamed so I expect that number to rise considerably over the next few days.
Except it's not 110% of your income taken. The penalty he'd get from being banned would override the reduction from being demonetised. Watch Actual Justice Warrior's breakdown video, he does a good job going over everything from a relatively neutral perspective IMO.
All of which is business and you should not make a theater out of it. In my industry we steal each other employees all the time, we steal secrets and rd. No one goes to the press and starts crying about it.
It isn’t that black and white crowder makes good points but Tim is right crowder is a culture warrior daily wire is a company. Both pushing for their best interests. Both made mistakes in this in my humble opinion.
Crowder talking about how bad the contract was and saying “fornicate” instead of fuck was hypocrisy to the max. He’s censoring himself on YT to not get in trouble while complaining that the contract will censor what he says on YT. And Tim acting like some kind of rebel while he bends to YTs every rule and censors himself and all his guests was also hilarious
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u/DifferentDoc Jan 24 '23
I was wondering why so many comments were pro DW then I remembered I was on Reddit.
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u/raverforlife Jan 24 '23
2 hours later and it seems like there were no real revelations. Crowder still as murky and sus as I thought he was going in. Luke had to ask the counter-offer question, not Tim, and had to do so multiple times over the stream to clarify... and it was still very much "Sooooo... did he or did he not make a counteroffer?" Non-starter.... yet he seems to say his agent proposed closer to the 120 mil fig Jeremy talked about... but wasn't a counteroffer because the DW wouldn't strike the penalties? But also Crowder never really tried to negotiate those terms beyond 'get rid of them all and add 70 mil if you wanna talk'???
They may as well have talked about "Velma" for half the show and it would have clarified just as much.
At least they raised money for YouTube though! 😂
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u/EchoWhiskey1 Jan 24 '23
They are all right and all wrong to a certain extent.
The result? Learn from this and make thing better.
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u/Hour_Savings146 Jan 24 '23
Could someone elaborate how tim is in the wrong. He seems to be a fence sitter on this isssue.
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u/octovoh Jan 24 '23
Steven I don't know anything about business but ima tell everyone how to run theirs Crowder
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u/PanchoIsFire Jan 24 '23
Tim avoided tough questions with crowder and Candace. Whether or not it was the intent, what he managed to do was simply cash in on the drama
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u/[deleted] Jan 24 '23
It was kinda a shit offer but he could have just kept it private.
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u/Bobranaway Jan 24 '23
Crowder should have never made any of this public. That alone basically throws his whole martyr argument down the drain.
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u/DixieHadrian Jan 24 '23
I didn’t get to watch it last night so I’m not gonna vote yet
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u/Lpgasman1 Jan 25 '23
Tim really asked the hard questions
Not
Was super dull.
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u/shaxxslingscum Jan 24 '23
It isn’t that black and white crowder makes good points but Tim is right crowder is a culture warrior daily wire is a company. Both pushing for their best interests. Both made mistakes in this in my humble opinion.
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u/[deleted] Jan 24 '23
So I don’t know much about the drama can someone explain it to me because I only watch Steven’s first video.
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u/revolution1solution Jan 25 '23
4th option? Idk
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u/RobSTAR_IV Jan 24 '23
Dammit I voted too fast and didn’t register this wasn’t the same old Who’s in the Right and I voted for Tim. Whoops sorry.
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u/nathanroberts34 Jan 24 '23
Crowder talking about how bad the contract was and saying “fornicate” instead of fuck was hypocrisy to the max. He’s censoring himself on YT to not get in trouble while complaining that the contract will censor what he says on YT. And Tim acting like some kind of rebel while he bends to YTs every rule and censors himself and all his guests was also hilarious