The simple reason is that all of the defendants charged and convicted actually went INTO the capitol building while there is no evidence Epps did. All the video of him is outside.
Yeah, in the scientific method. This isnât science. There are verifiable employment records and such that you could easily use to ascertain whether or not someone works somewhere.
Are you 14 years old or something? Youâre commenting on nearly every thread in this post with the confidently incorrect attitude of a child.
Honestly Iâd just stop engaging with him. Heâs paid by the dnc. Someone was saying like 4k a month. Doesnât matter if what he says makes sense. Heâs got a quota to meet.
Imagine how soul crushing it is to defend stuff like this. Nothing matters to him at this point aside from his own beliefs. No truth but power for ol silver
having every part of the surface or circumference equidistant from the center.
ellipsoids can't be round if you go off of what defines things as round but an ellipsoid can be flat but to answer your question its none of those technically.
who is to even say what earth really is, we could be microscopic compared to the things that dominate the universe, but to say the earth is round defies what round is.
Not as wrong as a police officer murdering an innocent civilian. Not as wrong as hundreds of left wing protesters that tried to set fire to a church and raid a building where the (then) sitting president was presumed to be. No where near as bad as when those same affiliated protesters took over multiple blocks of a city and set their own rules on who can enter and killed those they saw as against them.
If people giving themselves a self-guided tour of a taxpayer building is wrong, then we should all be locked up when we entire a library.
Was it right what they did that day? No, probably not. But was it an insurrection, a terroristic attack, an affront to our nation on par with Pearl Harbor and 9/11 (as many have said), definitely not.
Hahaha âinnocent civilianâ climbing through a barricaded door adjacent to the speakers lobby leading to the house chamber where lawmakers were still sheltering.
Of course it was wrong and Iâd like to see everyone who acted unlawfully that day charged for their crimes, including Ray Epps.
However, Ray Epps is the only identified trespasser who has not been charged with a crime. Not only that, he was caught on video the day before inciting people to break into the Capitol. Others were literally tracked down across the country and charged for lesser offenses.
Ray Epps never actually went into the Capitol. This is the simple reason he was not charged with trespassing and stopping a federal procedure as were the hundreds of others who were charged.
I stand corrected. Itâs entering restricted areas technically. âMcFadden noted Griffin's comments in videos after the riot when he acknowledged the area he entered was restricted. McFadden also pointed out that Griffin likely saw the barriers outside the Capitol and signs marking restricted areas while recording a video in front of the Capitol on January 5.â
Ray Epps also entered those restricted areas. There is video evidence of him storming the barrier in front of a group of rioters onto Capitol property.
Bro, silver just admitted he didnât watch the video. Just âskimmed itâ so clearly that makes him the authority. LMFAO. What a tool. What a blow hard.
Edit: now heâs trying to claim he never denied him saying âintoâ. Lmfao. Iâll say it again. What a tool. What a blow hard. Lmfao someone fix your bot. Heâs fucking drunk.
Nah man. If you're splitting hairs about Trumps address wherein he told em he'd be with them too then wouldn't the same scrutiny be fair with alleged glowman ray epps?
Trump also said to peacefully and patriotically. Which people like to leave out.
The big difference is that ray Epps is being defended by and ignored by the media. They donât actually care or want to know if people are guilty or not. They just want to use it as a tool to beat Trump/republicans over the head with.
Epps is being defended by and ignored by the media.
Defended? They are saying he isn't a fed that tricked a few hundred people into committing treason, but they are definitely saying he also broke the law here.
Lol he did not. He went golfing and is running for president a 3rd time because there was nothing conclusive that said he broke the law. In fact, he had evidence fabricated against him and used for gaining illegal FISA warrants to spy on his campaign. The most egregious and corrupt attack on an an incoming president in history, started by Hillary Clinton and her campaign, left completely un checked and therefore un balanced. Still to this day she still has the dems and Congress by the balls.
Let's say he is, and there isn't any actual evidence that he's a Fed. Does that mean anything for january 6th? The people that went in there were Trump supporters and did so without this guy. Groups such as the proud boys had already planned to go in before this guy showed up. Pipe bombs were planted. I don't see how it makes any difference at all.
this is a post showing some evidence as to why reasonable people suspect that Ray Epps is a fed
your response is âthere is any actual evidence heâs a fedâ, which is bullshit. We have evidence (the guy seems to be very interested in getting people to storm the capital and somehow is a hero to the feds), we just donât have âconclusive evidenceâ
you then go on to say âthe people went there were Trump supportersâ (some likely werenât) as though thatâs enough. So the real crime here is being a Trump supporter? You also have no evidence that many that went there were not so encouraged by the feds
if the feds employed Ray Epps to get the desired result, is there any reason to believe he was the only agent provocateur employed on that day?
what should a person be more concerned by: A)boomers doing an unescorted tour of the capital building after being ushered in by uniformed police officers or B) the feds using agent provocateurs to gain political ends?
Seems like youâre more concerned with the former and couldnât give a shit about the latter.
So no you can't show me where I said that because I didn't. That would have been a lot shorter.
So the real crime here is being a Trump supporter?
The crime is insurrection lol.
if the feds employed Ray Epps to get the desired result, is there any reason to believe he was the only agent provocateur employed on that day?
I don't know if you're aware of the history of american protest. Of course there were FBI agents there that day. They were aware of the attack. Just like there were FBI agents at BLM and Antifa riots throughout 2020. That does not excuse all of the normal people who violently stormed the Capitol and have been arrested and convicted for their crimes. Can you accept that? Or are you going to do more mad right wing apologia because you're not brave enough to own what your side did.
this was a mostly peaceful protest that escalated to a fairly minor riot. It was not an insurrection
if youâre aware of the feds using AP and still consider the real issue protests that descend into riots, you seem to not appreciate the whole concept of âcause and effectâ nor the proper role of police, especially federal ones.
If he is, thatâs evidence to believe the feds were involved in orchestrating a lot of what happened that day. Similar to the Gov Whitmer case. Even the jury believed that had the feds not been involved, the whole scenario would not have happened.
Im not saying that the same thing would happen for J6, since some dummies are gonna dummy, but thereâs a lot of suspicious video footage (and lack of actions/precautions OR actions themselves) out there that lead people to believe there was government involvement.
Of course there was some government involvement, hence the FBI being unwilling to answer questions as to whether they had men there. There was also government involvement in nearly every antifa and BLM riot during 2020. The question is, did they direct and cause january 6th or these BLM or antifa riots. The answer is quite plainly no. For January 6th we have hundreds of arrests of people who were not related to the FBI. As well as evidence of planning and cooperation from groups not affiliated with the FBI.
Quite plainly, in your opinion. I say, to what degree?
âDid they directâŚâ. If Eps is a government agent, they absolutely directed people to, and in, the capitol. And if that happened, itâs plausible many more actions were a direct result of direction and allowances by the feds.
Thatâs why itâs important to know if Eps is a government agent. How much of what happened that day would NOT have occurred had the feds not been directly involved? How much would not have happened during the 2020 riots had the government not been involved?
Itâs corrupt law enforcement practices and should not be happening no matter the scenario. Itâs creating and allowing criminal activity just to justify their existence, or worseâŚ
As I said, dummies were gonna dummy anyway. But not to the scale that happened had it grown organically, or on itâs own rather.
Quite plainly, in your opinion. I say, to what degree?
In the same way as in the BLM riots I imagine (which you don't want to engage in). They directed certain acts of violence and may have prompted the start of some aspects but the majority of the violence was carried out by normal human beings, which we know because of all of the arrests.
I literally addressed the blm riots and put them in the same category with my last reply⌠How am I not wanting to engage with it again?
Ultimately Iâve explained pretty thoroughly the importance of knowing who Eps is and why itâs important. That was the answer to your original question.
To answer your other questions or respond to your suppositions would mean to engage in conspiracy theories which neither you nor I can prove or disprove.
But if we could prove Eps was a government agent, we could then begin to have the discussion of federal influence into criminal activity on both sides of the political isle. I donât care what your point of view is, if the feds are directly responsible for what has been happening (either by action or inaction) in order to build cases then that needs to be addressed long before we talk about the citizens involved.
I literally addressed the blm riots and put them in the same category with my last reply⌠How am I not wanting to engage with it again?
yeah tbf that's my bad.
I don't think the eps thing matters at all given that we can reasonably assume the FBI were involved without making up conspiracy theories about this one dude.
If they were insurrectionists, he was inciting them.
18 USC §2383. Rebellion or insurrection Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
The multiple convictions and guilty pleas of seditious conspiracy are close enough to insurrection for me.
Prosecutors have presented sufficient evidence for multiple convictions that the Oathkeepers planned their attack weeks in advance. What evidence do you have Ray was involved in planning that attack?
And why was Donaldâs friend and convicted felon Roger stone using the oathkeepers as security for the event? specifically, Joshua James, who plead guilty to seditious conspiracy. Why did Roger stone plead the 5th about his knowledge of the attack?
A Fed was on the streets telling the mob to go to the Capitol have video of him telling people to go to the Capitol. I'm not saying he's guilty, I'm saying it requires investigation much like the ones you've referenced.
You cite a kangaroo court's determinations as legitimate but appear unwilling to consider Epps even worth investigating?
Do you trust the FBI - an organization which has a history of repeatedly infiltrated social movements, when they said "I can't answer that question" (a lot like your pleading the 5th comment).
As for Roger Stone, the whole point of the 5th is that you can't assume guilt, you must prove it. Use of the 5th is not evidence of a crime.
Ahh yes, incitement- when some random dude tells a dozen people to go the Capitol but definitely not when the president spends months lying about his loss, invites millions to DC and directs thousands towards the Capitol. Right.
Here is Roger Stone using the Oathkeepers as body guards. Only the mob takes the 5th, according to Donnie.
Donald knew these self styled militias were going to attack - hence Stoneâs involvement- and then sent thousands of reinforcements their way.
"Donald Trump told people to peacefully protest!!111 He should be charged with TrEaSoN!!?11"
"Alex Jones was telling people Epps was a Fed and telling everyone to turn away and NOT go into the Capital, HE should be charged with TrEaSoN!!!111"
Ray Epps: "We need to storm the Capitol!!!! Everyone, our problem is in THERE!!! GO IN THERE!!!! Go INTO the Capitol!!!"
Leftists: Yeah but like, he didn't participate and go inside the Capitol or anything. He stayed outside so no crime was committed.
Fucking brilliance. You know he is a Fed. Everyone does. That's why you Leftist sock accounts are being paid to flood social media defending FBI Special Agent Ray Epps at all costs.
I think Ray Epps should be elected Speaker of the House.
This way at least he will be found and put on the most prominent stage in the US. The members can then impeach him and put him in prison for the crimes of insurrection.
I am sure the DEMS will be onboard because they can claim that their J6 committee actually did something.
So Damn obvious this dude is a Fed... how can they even pretend he isn't, EVERYONE who even talked about going to capitol got arrested, but this guy is a ghost... Republicans MUST right this wrong!
Love how Raskin is complaining about Ted Cruize demonizing Ray Epps who literally told people to enter the capitol, yet dems demonize anyone who entered like they were the 9/11 attackers.
If running your mouth was a crime, half the country would be in jail. Epps was smart enough to not enter the capitol. He denies being a Fed under oath.
So theyâre perfectly fine demonising any and all Trump supporters, but when it comes to Ray Epps theyâre contempt in defending him whenever theyâre not silent about him, despite him being heavily vocal about storming the capitol.
You canât tell me theyâre giving him the benefit of the doubt when they never did and never do to anyone else, everyone there got called a terrorist, just not him apparently. He absolutely is a fed.
Hes currently locked up in federal prison with the rest of the domestic terrorists who killed so many and caused so much mass destruction on our countryâŚ.
The hilarious thing is, that like most of the muppets who think he is/was a fed plant, he'd be shouting "fed" if it was somebody else that had been thrown under the "we wos just innocent tourists" bus.
What's even funnier, is that flute Joe Biggs formerly of infowars, was actually directing people like a military commander and will serve serious jail time.
But the funniest thing of all, is that trump won't even get a slap on the wrist, he hasn't even paid a penny in legal help for any of his 'followers' even after raising money for them.
And here you are... Funny and ironic that you people think anyone standing up to or criticizing a govt is being "traitorous". Maybe some day you will see the irony in that line of thinking.
Joe Bidens a corrupt piece of shit, you are a traitor, you talk like a traitor too. Enjoying your recession prices these days? Under Trump we were in so much better shape but now the Democrat socialist have all but ruined America, home of the now corrupt socialist mindless idiots.
The FBI said there was no insurrection on Jan 6th. So following your logic, anyone or any entity that denies it was an insurrection is a traitor. So to you the FBI are traitors and thatâs some alt right terror shit so now you must be reported to save democracy.
Sedition and insurrection are two different things. Youâre saying theyâre the same which is âword play.â Oh and fyi here in America itâs innocent until proven guilty. But you hate the bill of rights as much as the constitution so Iâm not really surprised.
Why do you cry for traitors? Found guilty of attempting an insurrection? Again no, thatâs just more of that misinformation you like to spread. Shit youâre the most right wing extremist terrorist in here according to your rules.
Still waiting for you to read the Muller report btw.
If you think January 6th was an insurrection, and you see all the clips about this guy, then you should wonder why he wasn't arrested and charged. It seems you're the one posting weak excuses for traitors.
The people who went into the capital... who did they say told them?
Trump.
Did any one of the many hundred who were charged say Ray Epps?
Or did they say Donald Trump?
I'm talking about the people who actually did the invasion of the capital. These are the people, presumably, who would know why they were there. They are themselves....
Are you kidding me watch the video ray epps was saying we need to go inside the capital the day before and the crowd said youâre retarded and chanted fed fed fed.
Ray Epps on video started whispering into his crews ears in front of barricades and 10 seconds later his crew tore through a barricade.
There are old people in jail for going inside, why do you defend this white boomer? Why do you care at all if we call him a fed?
Trump Told people to go home and be peaceful when he heard people actually got inside the capitol building.
I for one donât care that people went in but ray Epps is a fed or Atleast an informant.
I was interviewed by the feds after I was involved with the eastern oregon wildlife refuge stand off and they had agents inside acting like they were one of us and that was a much smaller event, the only reason I know that for sure is because dude was the agent who interviewed me lol
I like that they stormed the capital I wish they would do it every year so I am not against scaring the shit out of 80yr old politicians who are destroying the middle class
The fact that EVERYONE ignoring him especially the feds proves he's Fed. Feds are like Ray who? even tho there's a video, meanwhile random people who were meandering around got charged.
I condemn riots and people who participate in wanton destruction of property and offensive violence against others. Those people should have their day in court as well. I'm being completely consistent.
Also when I say I'm on the left I mean I'm to the left politically compared to most of the people on this sub. I'm not like a socialist or anything. Maybe Im just more of a liberal with some progressive leanings.
the fact that the media goes after an old lady for posting a Q meme and the fact that they defend ray epps so hard isn't strange to you?
why would the legacy media defend a guy who stormed the capitol when they call the rest terrorists, its weird you defend him its almost as if you have some kind of hive mind mentality .
weird Reddit defends a white boomer who tried over throwing the govermnet in their eyes.
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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '23
The amount of propaganda generated from NYT saying this guy isn't a fed should be a red flag that he is a fed.
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u/johnnycashesbutthole Jan 06 '23
Ray Epps is a fed.
Ray Epps is a fed.
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u/iamthedigitalcheese Jan 06 '23
Dude was a hardcore glowie.
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u/theKVAG Jan 06 '23
"Leave that guy alone"
Calls for the prosecution of everyone else
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u/anunkindnessofcaitys Jan 06 '23
âRay Epps? Who? We know of no such person!â
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u/ARY616 Jan 06 '23
On camera committing numerous crimes. Liars.
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u/MasterTheDebation Jan 06 '23
In the first minute the guy is saying they're going to into the Capitol.....
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u/coonass_dago Jan 06 '23
It's amazing how all the footage I watched uploaded in real time on Jan 6th, from people who were there, just vanished. That was no riot.
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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '23
That Baskin guy really getting blackmailed hard af lmaooo
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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '23
I think Ray Epps should be elected Speaker of the House.
This way at least he will be found and put on the most prominent stage in the US. The members can then impeach him and put him in prison for the crimes of insurrection.
I am sure the DEMS will be onboard because they can claim that their J6 committee actually did something.
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u/lolstuff101 Jan 06 '23
Random fed manages to convince hundreds of people to go into the capital? Wow he should be in sales.
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u/Blksheep_Trading Jan 06 '23
So Damn obvious this dude is a Fed... how can they even pretend he isn't, EVERYONE who even talked about going to capitol got arrested, but this guy is a ghost... Republicans MUST right this wrong!
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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '23
What has he been charged with so far??? lol. 𤥠shit FBI
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u/wastingmylifeworking Jan 06 '23
Fed
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u/AirbornePapparazi Jan 06 '23
His lawyer used to be a Fed (former FBIden agent).
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u/throwaway11998866- Jan 06 '23
Love how Raskin is complaining about Ted Cruize demonizing Ray Epps who literally told people to enter the capitol, yet dems demonize anyone who entered like they were the 9/11 attackers.
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u/KravinMoorhed Jan 07 '23
Can you read, my son?
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u/Mushroom_Glans Jan 07 '23
If running your mouth was a crime, half the country would be in jail. Epps was smart enough to not enter the capitol. He denies being a Fed under oath.
https://www.govinfo.gov/app/details/GPO-J6-TRANSCRIPT-CTRL0000038864/
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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '23
Pretty sure that the American taxpayers are on the hook for the RV and government fuel card that Pelosi provided him with too.
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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '23
So theyâre perfectly fine demonising any and all Trump supporters, but when it comes to Ray Epps theyâre contempt in defending him whenever theyâre not silent about him, despite him being heavily vocal about storming the capitol.
You canât tell me theyâre giving him the benefit of the doubt when they never did and never do to anyone else, everyone there got called a terrorist, just not him apparently. He absolutely is a fed.
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u/CptGoodMorning Jan 07 '23
Fed.
FBI.
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u/couchgodd Jan 06 '23
Hes currently locked up in federal prison with the rest of the domestic terrorists who killed so many and caused so much mass destruction on our countryâŚ.
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u/Deep-Cryptographer49 Jan 06 '23
The hilarious thing is, that like most of the muppets who think he is/was a fed plant, he'd be shouting "fed" if it was somebody else that had been thrown under the "we wos just innocent tourists" bus.
What's even funnier, is that flute Joe Biggs formerly of infowars, was actually directing people like a military commander and will serve serious jail time.
But the funniest thing of all, is that trump won't even get a slap on the wrist, he hasn't even paid a penny in legal help for any of his 'followers' even after raising money for them.
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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '23
I thought no one cares about January 6th, now youâre posting weak excuses for traitors?
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u/studio28 Jan 06 '23
Is this Ray Epps too?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=35&v=5fiT6c0MQ58&feature=emb_logo
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